Walked a C6 Z06

[j.r]

Since you asked.. I am on it


jemje2006: you have no idea what you are talking about at all. Your posts are borderline stupid. STOCK 3.0 NSX 1/4 100-105MPH STOCK NSX 3.2 106-110MPH, STOCK c6 115 MPH STOCK Z06 125MPH.
When you look at the 0-150MPH times, the NSX gets KILLED.
--just a bonus, there is a guy who bought a brand new Z06 off the showroom floor, put drag radials on it and ran in the 10's.. on the SAME DAY. ..STOCK.
Do you even own a NSX or is that just some picture you found on the net.

So, now NSX with a turbo. So lets take a STOCK NSX that costs 90K and compare it to a STOCk Z06 that costs 70K. ( that is 20K less incase you cannot add). Now, lets throw another 10-15K into the NSX for the turbo set up... oh and you WILL need an engine build after it blows up-- its only a matter of time on stock internals.. Anyway, Now you are keeping up with a STOCK Z06 that costs 30K less. Now, just for fun, lets throw a turbo or sc on a Z06 and oh, no... the NSX is left in the dust... What now?

Now to address some others.

Z06 typicaly puts down about 450wrhp. Its a pretty big amount. What is interesting is that normal 2008 C6's with i/e/h are making close to 430rwhp. Pretty damn strong for a few K in mods on a stock c6.

For all you vette haters our there, You should give the C6 some respect. It is a hell of a car.

and for all you morons that will call me a "corvette guy" I have owned 2 NSX's and the second one made more power than 95% of yours -- YES it had problems, but it still made 412RWHP and was one of the FIRST MSL AEM cars on the road.

John -- I hope that lived up to what you were looking for.

PS. Although I do like my vette, I LOVE the NSX. Now that the AEM FIC is around, I feel a another NSX calling me...... time will tell.. though the price have gone UP!

pps. Scrop.. nice kill

Sadly there is more to cars than who has the biggest engine or who has the most horsepower. If that was the case the only good car on the road would be the Veyron and all others are just crap. But it's not the case.

There really isn't a need for another vette vs. nsx discussion out of this. It's such a tired arguement.

Somehow I feel that Corvette owners are just tired of Europeans and Japanese auto enthusiast always snubbing their nose at them. And most Corvette owners that I personally know are always so damn defensive. I think now that Chevy has made a good performance car they have to go on the attack to get some sort of recognition.

If you told a Ferrari 355 driver that his Ferrari is slow do you think he would care for a second? There is much more than how much horsepower you have.

 

[sivernsx]

Sadly there is more to cars than who has the biggest engine or who has the most horsepower. If that was the case the only good car on the road would be the Veyron and all others are just crap. But it's not the case.

There really isn't a need for another vette vs. nsx discussion out of this. It's such a tired arguement.

Somehow I feel that Corvette owners are just tired of Europeans and Japanese auto enthusiast always snubbing their nose at them. And most Corvette owners that I personally know are always so damn defensive. I think now that Chevy has made a good performance car they have to go on the attack to get some sort of recognition.

If you told a Ferrari 355 driver that his Ferrari is slow do you think he would care for a second? There is much more than how much horsepower you have.

I do feel some, not all vette owners act like this. I have a friend of mine, with a C6 Z06 that felt like my car was not a former able apponent against him even with my turbo kit upgrade. Until he spoke with the gentleman I raced with the SL600 Rentech. Now his car is somewhere up north getting something done so he can surprise me.

 

[NetViper]

I've visited many car forums and still feel that the LSx guys are the more intelligent crowd.

I still think the NSX community is the best on the net. The problem is the NSX prices fell low enough that a lot of boy-racers could pick them up.

A few years ago prime was all about the handling and how well balanced the car is. Now it is all about "let's race a scion and see who wins".

Most of the "old school" guys are are about the best group of guys you could ever want to meet in your life.

Making the NSX faster is of course not a bad thing. I have always felt the car was underpowered stock. But even when I was making 450HP plus I never went out looking for street races.

I still don't see the fancination with spending a TON of money on a NSX to make it as fast as a STOCK Z06 and then brag about it

 

[NetViper]

I do feel some, not all vette owners act like this. I have a friend of mine, with a C6 Z06 that felt like my car was not a former able apponent against him even with my turbo kit upgrade. Until he spoke with the gentleman I raced with the SL600 Rentech. Now his car is somewhere up north getting something done so he can surprise me.

Nook, you know I like you, but if you really want to enjoy the car take it to roebling road and enjoy it on a track in a safe enrioment and drive the car as it was meant to be driven.

There is an event on the 22nd of Feb. Why not come along? Your car should be a blast on the racetrack with all that power. (plus I still want to see it )

 

[j.r]

I still don't see the fancination with spending a TON of money on a NSX to make it as fast as a STOCK Z06 and then brag about it

You have some flawed thinking.

Your Z06 will never be faster than a STOCK Veyron unless you spend a TON of money. It's a never ending cycle. So what if cars have to spend some money to compete with HP of a Z06 engine. You have to spend money to compete with the HP of other cars.

Speed is relative to money. Speed is not what makes a car great. If that was the case I'd go buy a 92 civic for 3 grand and spend 10 grand on the engine and rip the doors off your car. But I don't want to drive a 92 civic. Your Z06 could rip the doors off a NSX. But I don't want to drive a Z06.

You can't say your car is better is because it goes faster. There is always a bigger fish out there.

I still don't get why new super cars have to feel better by picking on a car that debuted in 1991. Even with the slightly larger displacement of the NA2 engine, 11 years later it is hard to find a naturally aspired V6 that can go 0-60 in less than 5 seconds.

 

[N Spec]

Nice to see the N holding it owns with a 500 hp vehicle and decently light as it is for todays day and age. I believe it's one thing to want your car to be one of the fastest (like the top 10%-15% on the road) on the road and another to be the fastest. You will never be the fastest, always a bigger fish, obviously, the bigger fish just happened to be a turbo NSX this time around. Let's not kid ourselves though, there are plenty faster out there that cost half the price. The NSX is a well balanced, refined vehicle. This is what you are paying for, not a rocket made of fiber glass, with the ergonomics of a tractor.

Yes, bang for the buck the Z06 is, you can't complain with 500 hp and 400+ lbs of torque. But if you are going to spend $70,000+ for a car, at least make it more stylish. It is an engineering marvel, but the design fell flat. The outside is decent, but the exterior could be refined. The interior is shabby as hell. A 15k Scion TC has a more refined interior. Most people spend more time inside driving the car than outside the car looking at it, so how can you stand such a shabby interior? I guess that's why it's fun to drive, but not nice to drive. You could only drive it as a weekend warrior because it's def not a daily driver like the NSX.

Who the hell pays $50,000-$250,000 for a car and not drive it? What did you spend your money for? I guess I am young, I like to drive and appreciate the money spent, but I didn't pay tens of thousands of dollars for a car that would sit in a garage 90% of its life. It understandable if your car's value is more than most people's morgage, then you can consider it a valuable asset, so of course it would be a garage queen. One day you can resale it for probably even a higher price if not make your money back if the time comes.

Why waste your money on a 100 grand car and never drive it though? The idea eludes me, but I must say I cannot complain. If people didn't do this, then I wouldn't be able to buy a 12 year old car with 15k on the odo. Spend 2-5k for a winter beater that will only be driven for about 2-3 months per year and actually drive the one that cost 10 times that much. That's the way to do it.

Guess what I am saying is, in about 5 or so years, I'll buy a c6 Z06 from some guy that never drove it for like 30 grand (cause I do not see the c6s holding their value). Even then, I still don't think I would pay that much for a car I couldn't stand sitting in for longer than 30 minutes. :biggrin:

 

[NetViper]

You have some flawed thinking.

Your Z06 will never be faster than a STOCK Veyron unless you spend a TON of money. It's a never ending cycle. So what if cars have to spend some money to compete with HP of a Z06 engine. You have to spend money to compete with the HP of other cars.

Speed is relative to money. Speed is not what makes a car great. If that was the case I'd go buy a 92 civic for 3 grand and spend 10 grand on the engine and rip the doors off your car. But I don't want to drive a 92 civic. Your Z06 could rip the doors off a NSX. But I don't want to drive a Z06.

You can't say your car is better is because it goes faster. There is always a bigger fish out there.

I still don't get why new super cars have to feel better by picking on a car that debuted in 1991. Even with the slightly larger displacement of the NA2 engine, 11 years later it is hard to find a naturally aspired V6 that can go 0-60 in less than 5 seconds.

Actually you have some flawed thinking because I never said the Z06 was a better car -- just a faster car.

I absolutely agree with you about a "bigger fish". It is all about the mighty wallet.

As for newer supercars picking on the NSX, It seems to me like this thread is the other way around.

 

[NetViper]

Yes, bang for the buck the Z06 is, you can't complain with 500 hp and 400+ lbs of torque. But if you are going to spend $70,000+ for a car, at least make it more stylish. It is an engineering marvel, but the design fell flat. The outside is decent, but the exterior could be refined. The interior is shabby as hell. A 15k Scion TC has a more refined interior. Most people spend more time inside driving the car than outside the car looking at it, so how can you stand such a shabby interior? I guess that's why it's fun to drive, but not nice to drive. :

Actually, with the 4LT package, the interior is as nice or nicer than the NSX IMO. Don't forget the majority of the NSX interior is VINYL -- NOT leather. Build quality is pretty good. I have no rattles in over a year. My 95 NSX-T rattled like HELL with the targa top. You should do a little research and go drive one.

I think my interior with the 3LT is easily as good as a base Porsche 911. NOT the 15K leather wrapped optional version. I added a leather wrapped arm rest because it looked and felt like CRAP stock. The doors certainly could be nicer also. My TL had nicer doors than the vette. The Bose stereo in the vette is also total garbage. The NSX boses system sounds 2x as good, and most of your know how "good" it is.

The new Audi S5 though puts the vette to shame in interior quality for roughly the same price.

 

[j.r]

What year is it? 2008? When was the interior of the NSX created? 1991?

You know what that says to me? It's about damn time. How many years of development has it taken to get the vette to today's status?

 

[N Spec]

Actually, with the 4LT package, the interior is as nice or nicer than the NSX IMO. Don't forget the majority of the NSX interior is VINYL -- NOT leather. Build quality is pretty good. I have no rattles in over a year. My 95 NSX-T rattled like HELL with the targa top. You should do a little research and go drive one.

I think my interior with the 3LT is easily as good as a base Porsche 911. NOT the 15K leather wrapped optional version. I added a leather wrapped arm rest because it looked and felt like CRAP stock. The doors certainly could be nicer also. My TL had nicer doors than the vette. The Bose stereo in the vette is also total garbage. The NSX boses system sounds 2x as good, and most of your know how "good" it is.

The new Audi S5 though puts the vette to shame in interior quality for roughly the same price.

I've driven a couple and drove one for a bout 30-40 minutes or so. There's not much difference between the trims, they change the material/color, but the design is still the same. It's just like sitting in a Cobalt, except lower and faster. It takes more than color or slight material change to make a world of difference. Yes, the NSX uses vinyl, not because they went cheap, but because it lasts longer and it more environmental friendly. The design is still timeless and beautiful. People who dog on the interior of the NSX don't know design or have good taste.

We are comparing a 1990s NSX to a 2007 and Chevy still can't get their act right. You said yourself the TL has better interior, infact, the whole Acura line and even the Civic Si coupe has better interior than the Vette. From personal experience, I enjoyed the feeling and environment of a Scion TC better than a car that cost 4 times as much as it. It just looks a whole lot better and feels better.

Saying that the Vette is up to par with a Porsche's interior is not saying much either. Porsche has only recently been getting better with their interiors, as they have been riding on their Brand pedestal for too long. In fact most German interiors are also falling behind in the design department. (Mercede's interior design blow, ugly, and full of gadgets that are useless!) Compare the G37's interior to the 335i's and then the price point. The G37 has the 50k monster beat hands down on interior and exterior. If it weren't for the TT setup, the 335i would be a dud, (which makes 80% of the 3 series line a dud). We'll see the reliability of the 335i in the next years to come too.

Sorry about that tangent. I'm not trying to offend Vette owners or German car owners. I just call how it see it and feel it. The vette is not known for it's snazzy interior, it's known for the performance. You get what you payed for. The engineering is there, but for it it to be a perfect car, it's design needs to be stepped up. Then it would be called a totally different car of course, no longer the corvette, which is fine with me.

 

[NetViper]

What year is it? 2008? When was the interior of the NSX created? 1991?

You know what that says to me? It's about damn time. How many years of development has it taken to get the vette to today's status?

I agree with you 100%. BUT, at least they are finally there.

 

[LJSB]

I have seen them around those areas.

I'm sure, but these were people I know, not read about.


Bet folks with a 2006 ZO6 and a 3-36 drive train warranty are annoyed.:frown:

 

[LJSB]

The problem is the NSX prices fell low enough that a lot of boy-racers could pick them up.

A few years ago prime was all about the handling and how well balanced the car is. Now it is all about "let's race a scion and see who wins".

+1

Net you snagged this one!

 

[N Spec]

I agree with you 100%. BUT, at least they are finally there.

They should be way passed it. They had almost 20 years to catch up considering the NSX design originated in the mid 80s. If Acura were to release a sports car in the 50K range right now, it would blow the doors off the Vette's design, esp in the interior. Hell, the G37's interior and Accord's interior blows the Vette's interior out the water right now and the accord is can bought for under 30k.

 

[ffffanman]

Is there anyone that lives near jemje2006 that can give him a ride and show him about the Nsx. He obviously likes the car and just needs a pal!!!
Maybe I'll just fly him up here and well go shopping to West Edmonton Mall and hang out. Then when the snow melts, go for a ride.
Trev

 

[KooLaid]

Is there anyone that lives near jemje2006 that can give him a ride and show him about the Nsx. He obviously likes the car and just needs a pal!!!
Maybe I'll just fly him up here and well go shopping to West Edmonton Mall and hang out. Then when the snow melts, go for a ride.
Trev

Oh f#ck no. Kid needs to go back to driving his mom's camry. BTW, that is not his car in the avatar. What he obviously needs to do is, STFU and quit sending gibberish into my inbox.

 

[prestonmay]

I feel quite the opposite. The New Z06 is one of the best vetts made, is really one hell of a machine you have got to try driving one! The amt of torque is so addictive and it pulls so dam hard. I don't see how you can say that the car does not achieve much respect from others. I love my NSX but don't knock the Z06 for being one of the best american cars ever made!

The Z06 does not differ much from what we all love about the nsx. It is reliable has decent interior room. It handles well and has rockstar looks! To top it off it does not have a large cost of ownership for what you get!

By the way K.O. Good run, it is good to see the NSX holding it's own on the street 17 years after production!

On the lighter side. My father owns a chevy dealership. One of the new salesman wanted to show how fast the vette was in the car lot......WOW....he opened up in the dealership, lost control and hit 6 cars, totaling the vette....WOW...the vette is awesome and not for everyone to own and drive. I have owned several BIKES...Honda f4i (nsx) very fast but anyone can jump on and drive easy----vs Yamaha R6 (vette) very very fast and will kill you if you cant keep that wheel down on sudden launches...Put me on my as# several times---hahah...Got the NSX to fix my bike fix and to keep my family

 

[KooLaid]

Honda f4i (nsx) very fast but anyone can jump on and drive easy----vs Yamaha R6 (vette) very very fast and will kill you if you cant keep that wheel down on sudden launches

F4i has MUCH better low and mid range power than the R6. The R6 is all top end. Very 2 stroke like, and yes the front tire likes to lift off under constant throttle when you hit that power band.

So the bike/car thing doesn't work very well. I'd say, switch it around and it'd be closer since the nsx definitely rips better in vtec range while the vette has the better low end power.

Just my 2 cents :biggrin:

 

[NetViper]

On the lighter side. My father owns a chevy dealership. One of the new salesman wanted to show how fast the vette was in the car lot......WOW....he opened up in the dealership, lost control and hit 6 cars, totaling the vette....WOW...the vette is awesome and not for everyone to own and drive.

So you are going to judge a car because some moron sales rep doesn't undertand what 400+ TQ can do?

 

[NetViper]

They should be way passed it. They had almost 20 years to catch up considering the NSX design originated in the mid 80s. If Acura were to release a sports car in the 50K range right now, it would blow the doors off the Vette's design, esp in the interior. Hell, the G37's interior and Accord's interior blows the Vette's interior out the water right now and the accord is can bought for under 30k.

Really? Then why can't ACURA design a car that looks worth a sh1T right now at the $100K+ level? The ASSC is terrible. Their other concepts have been horrid. Lexus is BLOWING them away with the LF-A. The RL was a sales flop yet again. Don't be so confident in "Acura"Design Talent". I sure havent seen it. I don't think many would disagree with me on that.

The ONLY good thing they have done in the last 5 years was the HSC. Of course, it was paired with a 300HP V6. What IDIOT made that decision??? If the HSC had come out with a 5.0 V10 with 500HP, quite a few prime members would be driving one right now. Instead we are now looking to Audi for the R8 to meet our Mid-Engine supercar dreams.

Obviously you have your mind made up on the vette, and thats fine -- but you should think a little before you write.

 

[prestonmay]

So you are going to judge a car because some moron sales rep doesn't undertand what 400+ TQ can do?

I am not judging the car from that accident or what i was told. I just posted to show what an idiot did. I can give a comparison and contrast to the car all day, for again my DAD has owned a chevrolet dealership all my life....So i have driven every chevy possible. I will be driving the z1 soon...... Again i just stated what a fool did. I have a 16 year old daughter, i would trust her in the NSX anyday, for if you not on the throttle it can be a tamed beast. The vette power is so so easy to unleash for a novice and young driver also....I am giving the vette the upmost props.....I am not KNOCKING THE VETTE at ALL. Heck I can get one at cost if it wasnt in such demand...I almost bought one and just got the GM emp price, but heck i will wait for 13k more off. Again, please dont misunderstand my post.......THE VETTE ROCKS and Hopefully the NEW NSX if it ever comes will show it a few things stock.

MAN OH MAN THE VETTE IS A DARN STREET LEGAL DRAG CAR

 

[BATMANs]

Oh f#ck no. Kid needs to go back to driving his mom's camry. BTW, that is not his car in the avatar. What he obviously needs to do is, STFU and quit sending gibberish into my inbox.

I would buy you a Happy Meal

 

[KooLaid]

I would buy you a Happy Meal

I'd prefer a cookie thank you very much.

 

[LJSB]

I am not judging the car from that accident or what i was told. I just posted to show what an idiot did.

Don't take it too seriously. You weren't knocking the Vette.
Netviper just goes off like that sometimes.:smile: He's very sensitive about criticism or lack of appreciation for the car he owns. Understandable I suppose.

 

[scorp965]

Not sure how this thread turned into nsx vs corvette, but the performance of the C6 Z06 is not in question, this is the what the nsx was all about, supercar performance at a (relatively) low introduction price, and the new HSC/nsx will have a difficult time with such competitors in the market. Corvettes receive a great deal of criticsim over their interiors, but the one in the C6 is not as terrible as people make it out to be. If there is a new nsx, released next year, with the same performance level of the C6 Z06, I think many, many people will be happy.

So, now NSX with a turbo. So lets take a STOCK NSX that costs 90K and compare it to a STOCk Z06 that costs 70K. ( that is 20K less incase you cannot add). Now, lets throw another 10-15K into the NSX for the turbo set up... oh and you WILL need an engine build after it blows up-- its only a matter of time on stock internals.

In all fairness, these numbers are highly inflated. There is no longer a 'new' NSX, and when there were 2005's freely available they were not $90k, they were around 70-75k. In the specific case of this thread, we are dicussing my 1994 nsx, which I purchased two years ago for $32k - right now, 30k miles later, its value is less, perhaps $28k for the stock car. The turbo kit, with modifications, tuning, etc., comes out just under $13k. I am running stock internals, and have been using forced induction for 10k miles now, in one form or another.

So the comparison is $28 + 13 = $41k, vs $70k - the C6 Z06 comes off the showroom floor with 0 miles, and has a warrenty, compared to my 15 year old Acura with 101k miles, and no warrenty.

The nsx has a proven track record of long-term reliability, and shows zero signs of trouble at 8psi of boost - if an issue does arise, its a chance to build the engine, and run 12psi of boost, which would result in a rwhp level well above 500. The cost to complete this work varies, but lets say perhaps $15k - so now cost is $15k less than the Z06, the car has a huge weight advantage, and at 12 psi it has a huge power advantage.