Presidential Elelction poll

Why and Why?

  • I'm a Republican, I'm voting for any Republican on the ticket, in this case, McCain/Pulin

    Votes: 68 58.6%
  • I'm a Democrat, I'm voting for any Democratic Candidate, in this case Obama/Biden

    Votes: 33 28.4%
  • I usually vote for Republican, but I'm jumping ship to Obama this time

    Votes: 12 10.3%
  • I usually vote for Democrats, but I'm going to try McCain

    Votes: 3 2.6%

  • Total voters
    116
  • Poll closed .
The issue of money shapes everyone's decision. No doubt I paid more taxes under Clinton than under Bush yet I yearn for those years in retrospect. A budget surplus, a decreasing deficit and respect abroad are just a few of the reasons that come to mind. Also, stop using 911 as a excuse for the failings of the Bush administration with a Republican congress vs. Clinton with essentially the same Republican congress. Taking Palin over Obama just because she shares your political views is simply childish. Take ANY job in America, let alone THE MOST IMPORTANT ONE and honestly ask yourself who could do a better job. On a lesser scale, would you want your auto mechanic/ financial planner/ doctor/ lawyer/ cook/ platoon leader/ scientist/ (fill in) to be the most capable, or just someone who shares your political views and you would like to have a beer with.

Regards,

Danny

Just to point this out with no bias to party affiliation (don't have one anyways), the general state and success of the global markets has the biggest contributor to U.S. economic success (regarding your deficit/surplus comment). With horrendous policies and proven wise ones, the economy can do great or terrible. It has little to nothing to do with the President. Try not to base your decision on something of so little relevancy as enticing as that may be. It is arguable that Clinton's ignoring of various conflicts contributed to a rather uneventful presidency and a dump truck load of problems to deal with afterward. Not saying I follow that line of thought, but it has some rationality to it.

I like your last sentence as well. I do not like how no one really comes to mind, but obviously no one is perfect and the odds of someone being a fiscal genius and fully aware of the horrors of war are slim to none.
 
The issue of money shapes everyone's decision. No doubt I paid more taxes under Clinton than under Bush yet I yearn for those years in retrospect. A budget surplus, a decreasing deficit and respect abroad are just a few of the reasons that come to mind. Also, stop using 911 as a excuse for the failings of the Bush administration with a Republican congress vs. Clinton with essentially the same Republican congress. Taking Palin over Obama just because she shares your political views is simply childish. Take ANY job in America, let alone THE MOST IMPORTANT ONE and honestly ask yourself who could do a better job. On a lesser scale, would you want your auto mechanic/ financial planner/ doctor/ lawyer/ cook/ platoon leader/ scientist/ (fill in) to be the most capable, or just someone who shares your political views and you would like to have a beer with.

Regards,

Danny

Unfortunately for this election, I find that the candidates are simply NOT good. However, sharing the polictical view while having a beer can be a fun way of bring out individual's person belief.

Here what I believe in, as many of you know. As a conservative, liberal, or undecided voter, as what JFK said, what can you do to help your country? The same apply to the elected officials.

As a society in whole, what matters is the social issues. Obama is pertty extreme with his beliefs, the word moderate doesn't even apply. It is OK for our nation to shift left, if not now, it will happen soon, but how far is the question. If we ended up like France, Germany, or even Great Britain, we may have more social problems.

What sets this country apart from all other nations is because in most cases, the decision made by the politicians have a profound effect on world stage. I like to think that if I choose to live here, I support our nation's tradition.

No talk of 911 or abortion, just simple question of, what would Obama will bring to the table vs. McCain. The issue of McCain's age shouldn't be an issue if he is healthy, and can do the job "right." Whether the talk of a "President" really can't do any thing because of our "check and balance" system, it is a completely false statement when the entire government body is composed of Democratic party. If Obama gets elected, and we have democratic congress and supreme court, yes, he will get every he want - In that case, the check and balances is not there.

Don't forget, regardless what Obama has in mind in terms of his policy, the greatest legacy a president can have is his selection of supreme court justice. The current seating is 2 conservative and 5 Liberals, I like to see a more balance seating, and that is why McCain have my vote.

As for Palin vs. Obama, this should even be part of the discussion, because we are talking about our presidential candidate, not vise presidential candidate. I do however, believe she is much more capable than Obama, but again, that's my opinion, and it really not part of the presidential discussion. How about this, I think the package is better. I can't see a candidate such as Obama preaching the word "change" and selected a old running mate know to have old school political practice and have been in the senate for half of his life.

As for the fiscal policy, don't forget, the stock market crashed under Clinton, the nation was in recession after Reagan, and the energy crises under Carter. The economic cycle does not have a favor president. The market will work its way in, and find a way out. The president did not get the title of "the most powerful man in the world" because of our economic status. It has every thing to do about the world affairs and social issues.
 
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That is the problem you have, this is a NATIONAL POLL, NOT CALIFORNIA:confused::confused::confused:

Do you even understand how the electoral college works when electing a president?

The National Poll numbers mean nothing. That was proven in 2000: Gore had more popular votes, but Bush had more electoral votes; therefore Bush wins. (And please let's not get into a discussion of the various shenanigans of 2000.)

California will go for Obama, and so all of California's electoral votes will go for Obama -- regardless of how I vote. Get it?
 
Do you even understand how the electoral college works when electing a president?

The National Poll numbers mean nothing. That was proven in 2000: Gore had more popular votes, but Bush had more electoral votes; therefore Bush wins. (And please let's not get into a discussion of the various shenanigans of 2000.)

California will go for Obama, and so all of California's electoral votes will go for Obama -- regardless of how I vote. Get it?

Absolutely I understand the electoral college system.

It would be a funny site to see Obama loose to McCain in California. BTW, California don't always vote democratic. Just ask Reagan's voters.

So here is what I have been asking you this whole time, perhaps I didn't make my self clear. If you remove the electoral issues, you would still vote for a Libertarian candidate? What happens if you had to relocate to Navada? or another state?
 
So here is what I have been asking you this whole time, perhaps I didn't make my self clear. If you remove the electoral issues, you would still vote for a Libertarian candidate? What happens if you had to relocate to Navada? or another state?

It'd be a very tough decision. I find both candidates to be fairly equally abhorrent.

Gun to my head, pick one or die? I'm still having trouble, but I'd probably blurt out Obama just to save my life. McCain is ultimately more of the same, and I haven't been particularly happy with the leadership of the past eight years. I am exceedingly fearful of an Obama presidency, but at least it's something different.

But I'm still voting Libertarian. I don't even like Bob Barr that much -- he seems like a LINO to me. I'd rather see Ron Paul run as a Libertarian rather than a fakey Republican.
 
...McCain is ultimately more of the same..

I thought you have been making a great argument until you said this. Could not disagree more. This sounds like something from MSNBC. I have always thought, and I think his record, including a VP canidate indicates he is a very individual person.
 
I thought you have been making a great argument until you said this. Could not disagree more. This sounds like something from MSNBC. I have always thought, and I think his record, including a VP canidate indicates he is a very individual person.

Thank you. Some one did his home work.

Just because they are in the same party does not mean they have identical ideas.

McCain was actually NOT favor by the party as their candidate until people voted for him.
 
Vance, the concept of left vs right, liberal vs. conservative, really depends on the setting. I personally think that the "curve" has shifted to the right since 9/11 and I, a moderate, am now considered a liberal. That said, the court in my view is really 4 conservatives and 4 liberals with one in the middle (interestingly only two were nominated by a Democrat). As for Biden, he was the hard but intelligent pick. His "half a lifetime" in the Senate will be helpful once Obama is elected. If all Obama wanted to do was to get elected, then he would have picked Hillary.

I use the job position example because the concept of a presidency is too wrapped up in personal biases. For example, would you want George Bush to be your surgeon? Would you want George Bush to be your lawyer? Platoon leader? Financial planner? I wouldn't (but I'm sure Obama would be good in many of those roles). Yet there are those who gave the most important job in the world to a person who "doesn't deal in nuance" and are now voting against a measured person with an elite (not elitist) intelligence. This is not an attempt at Bush bashing, however, the same mentality is present.

Is age a factor? Not if your candidate is in his 70s. Well what's wrong with 47 then? Likely nothing of course, but what then can one have for experience during that time.

Obama graduated from Columbia University in 1983 then worked for 2 years in NY before moving to Chicago and working for 3 years in community organization in South Side Chicago. Gets into Harvard Law School in 1988, becomes the first African-American editor of the Harvard Law Review, and graduates Magna Cum Laude in 1991.

After graduation, he bypasses a lucrative legal career to return to Chicago to practice as a civil rights lawyer, teach at U Chicago School of Law, and help with community organization. Writes a book in 1995 (Dreams From My Father), is elected to the Illinois State Senate in 1996 working on legislation involving healthcare and education for the poor, civil rights, and due process. After losing a Democratic House primary in 2000, he then delivers the keynote address at the Democratic Convention and wins the US Senate in 2004. Writes second book (Audacity of Hope) in 2006, declares candidacy for president in 2007, then BEATS the Clinton Machine in 2008 for the Democratic nomination. It's a puzzle to me why he hasn't been given the name "Boy Wonder" and if you're not impressed by that resume, then you must be childishly close minded.

So he didn't do "STUFF" like work as a sports reporter and he didn't run a snow mobile business with his spouse, nor get elected as city council then mayor in a town of 9000, or become governor to a state of 600,000 (less than half the population of Las Vegas). I'm not denigrating or minimizing Palin's experience, but it just does not compare with Obama's and she wouldn't even be in the conversation if McCain hadn't needed to shore up the right wing. Ask yourself this: what if Palin had entered the Republican primary in 2007. What would McCain, Huckabee, Romney and their voters have said about her experience then? Now Mccain wants her on the same ticket after meeting her once? Who here would pick a business partner after just one meeting, let alone hand over the whole shebang if something were to happen to you? To me, McCain can't see the forest for the trees on this one. What about Condeleeza Rice?

Regards,

Danny
 
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Condeleeza Rice flat out said she is not interested. She wants to go back and teach. Second, she is too closely associated with the current administration, and I'm sure many will not like that idea. Palin is an outsider, I think she is a break through because she is not part of the buddy club. Some people said Romney would have been a good choice, and should be the choice, but he and McCain did not see eye to eye.

Danny, believe it or not, that's what I was looking for in a Obama supporter. Most of the Obama supporter doesn't even know who he is. You know exactly why you're voting for him.

I appreciate your point of view and yes, I'm still voting for McCain because I'm a conservative and I like his messages. To me, Obama said one too many stupid things, I'm not talking about McCain's "Senior" moment like material, but stuff I find troublesome. As for what you point out, Obama choose to enter the political field early, his wife was already making banks, allow him to make his move. Don't forget, he made "only" 4 million dollars the last 2 years through is book sales, and those are pertty much his own words. That is pertty lucrative, would you agree?

The next thing I'm looking forward to is not Obama/McCain related. I'm looking forward to Palin/Bidan debate. I think that will be a good show.
 
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The next thing I'm looking forward to is not Obama/McCain related. I'm looking forward to Palin/Bidan debate. I think that will be a good show.


Screw that, let's talk about your car in FF4!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!(I know there is a thread on that). BIG CONGRATS:eek:
 
I appreciate your point of view and yes, I'm still voting for McCain because I'm a conservative and I like his messages. To me, Obama said one too many stupid things, I'm not talking about McCain's "Senior" moment like material, but stuff I find troublesome. As for what you point out, Obama choose to enter the political field early, his wife was already making banks, allow him to make his move. Don't forget, he made "only" 4 million dollars the last 2 years through is book sales, and those are pertty much his own words. That is pertty lucrative, would you agree?

Comfortable, yes, but not wealthy, at least not by McCain's own assessment (you'll need > 5million). Which is why McCain stumbled BADLY when he was asked how many homes he owned (at least six) in the greater context of trying to brand Obama (who finally paid off their student loans with the royalties from his book) as an out of touch elitist (Cindy McCain is worth over 100 million). Just look at where Obama started (no Pacific fleet admirals in the family, just divorced parents), his Harvard educated working attorney wife who gave up the practice to raise a family (no chair of a $300 million beer franchise/ part owner of the Diamondbacks, just student loans to pay off) and who he beat to get the nomination (Billary) and all I can come up with is Elite, not Elitist.

Regards,

Danny
 
They all start with little money, some have family money, but not all. Wait till Obama reach 78, I bet you he will worth more than today's McCain.

I didn't go to Harvard, but I also have plenty of student loan. I elect NOT to pay it off right of way is not because I didn't have the ability to, as you know, I do make a pertty comfortable living with my shop (and many thanks for the dinners your brought me during your visits). The income level for most of us are reflected by the type of education we received, if he like to pay off his student loan in advance, more power to him. Probably one less thing on his mind while running for office. I doubt they will have problem paying off their student loan with both income, which reported to be more than $400 plus k a year.

As for people like McCain, I don't think he dropped the ball on the $5 mill comment. If you watch the Saddleback Forum, you know he was honest with all of his answer. US is a post industrialized nation, it is up to each individual achieve the American dreams if desired. One thing he said was one of the best thought I have heard in a long time from a politician, some thing like "How about try to help every one become successful and rich?" To me, that is a big deal. Get those lazy ass off their couches and help them make a good living just like all other achievers!!! Every seen that movie "Entrapement" when the old thief asked the young thief "What can't you achieved with $1 billion you cannot achieve with $9 billion?" The point is, I highly doubt McCain had a book deal in his 40's that brought in $4 millions. Obama did what every goal oriented American would do, cashing in on his fame. I applause him for that. But I can't take his idea of the wealth redistribution because it is not fair to the poor because the "rich" earned more. As you know, I work 12 hours a day 7 days week. I make over $100k a year, I can't see why the government should decide I make too much money so I have to share my income with some one who doesn't work as hard as I do. Vise versa, I certainly don't want to see the government tax you more so I can get a break because I make less money than you do. Imaging a janitor make same amount of money, or half as much you do as a doctor, what is the incentive of higher education?

The current Democratic party as a whole, is pertty messed up. Bush have 3x% approval ratings, and our democratic infested congress have 8%. That's scary. If they only have 8% now, what more can they achieve with some one who flock their own ways?

To make this discussion interesting - If I don't know anything about either candidate, I'm willing to vote McCain just because our current congress is dominated by the left. Check and balances is very important. Supreme court is a separate because they don't really deal with world wide issues. I can't imagine granting the enemy combatants the rights to the legal system of the US citizens is hardly a conservative decision.

Time is changing. I have no doubt that eventually, gay marriage will be allow in every states, abortion issues will come to a compromised between two sides, and this so called energy crisis will result in drilling in Alaska, regardless who is in charge. You can't really have every thing your way.

Regardless

FF4 is still 10 months away, I'm looking forward to it. The buzz is all over the place in my shop, you should see those ricer customers I have, they all ask me to e-mail them the famous picture. Even though my car had a very small role in this dumb movie. Not every day we get to have a famous chick in our cars:biggrin:
 
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Vance, the concept of left vs right, liberal vs. conservative, really depends on the setting. I personally think that the "curve" has shifted to the right since 9/11 and I, a moderate, am now considered a liberal. That said, the court in my view is really 4 conservatives and 4 liberals with one in the middle (interestingly only two were nominated by a Democrat). As for Biden, he was the hard but intelligent pick. His "half a lifetime" in the Senate will be helpful once Obama is elected. If all Obama wanted to do was to get elected, then he would have picked Hillary.

I use the job position example because the concept of a presidency is too wrapped up in personal biases. For example, would you want George Bush to be your surgeon? Would you want George Bush to be your lawyer? Platoon leader? Financial planner? I wouldn't (but I'm sure Obama would be good in many of those roles). Yet there are those who gave the most important job in the world to a person who "doesn't deal in nuance" and are now voting against a measured person with an elite (not elitist) intelligence. This is not an attempt at Bush bashing, however, the same mentality is present.

Is age a factor? Not if your candidate is in his 70s. Well what's wrong with 47 then? Likely nothing of course, but what then can one have for experience during that time.

Obama graduated from Columbia University in 1983 then worked for 2 years in NY before moving to Chicago and working for 3 years in community organization in South Side Chicago. Gets into Harvard Law School in 1988, becomes the first African-American editor of the Harvard Law Review, and graduates Magna Cum Laude in 1991.

After graduation, he bypasses a lucrative legal career to return to Chicago to practice as a civil rights lawyer, teach at U Chicago School of Law, and help with community organization. Writes a book in 1995 (Dreams From My Father), is elected to the Illinois State Senate in 1996 working on legislation involving healthcare and education for the poor, civil rights, and due process. After losing a Democratic House primary in 2000, he then delivers the keynote address at the Democratic Convention and wins the US Senate in 2004. Writes second book (Audacity of Hope) in 2006, declares candidacy for president in 2007, then BEATS the Clinton Machine in 2008 for the Democratic nomination. It's a puzzle to me why he hasn't been given the name "Boy Wonder" and if you're not impressed by that resume, then you must be childishly close minded.

So he didn't do "STUFF" like work as a sports reporter and he didn't run a snow mobile business with his spouse, nor get elected as city council then mayor in a town of 9000, or become governor to a state of 600,000 (less than half the population of Las Vegas). I'm not denigrating or minimizing Palin's experience, but it just does not compare with Obama's and she wouldn't even be in the conversation if McCain hadn't needed to shore up the right wing. Ask yourself this: what if Palin had entered the Republican primary in 2007. What would McCain, Huckabee, Romney and their voters have said about her experience then? Now Mccain wants her on the same ticket after meeting her once? Who here would pick a business partner after just one meeting, let alone hand over the whole shebang if something were to happen to you? To me, McCain can't see the forest for the trees on this one. What about Condeleeza Rice?

Regards,

Danny


You should do a little more research on Obama's altruism. Just a few pointers.

1.) Obama did 4 months of "community organizing," which... do you even know what "it" is? Community Organizing was getting people together to elect the people they want in office....hmm.. sounds more like political activity.

2.) Obama's donated between .5-6% of their income in the 2000+ which startd around $200K+ -> 1,000,000. .5-6%! In 2000/2001, it was $1400/250K. This speaks volume. McCain's have consistently donated between 20-30% of their combined income, John around 50%. If you respond with "their super wealthy," their cash income is actually not significantly more, yet they donate consistently more which means they have less disposable income. Now, I don't have a problem with however much anyone donates, I have a HUGE problem with someone that asks for billions of dollars and gives .5% to charity (which if I recall was to his radical church to begin with..)
 
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People who think everyone votes their wallets are wrong. My priorities put foreign policy and properly defining the power and scope of the federal government first. IMO they all want to get their hand in my pocket, they just differ in how they'll go about it and what they'll do with the money.

Foreign policy is where McCain is most like Bush, and it's the worst way he could be like Bush. That makes it almost impossible for me to support McCain, right out of the gate.
 
You should do a little more research on Obama's altruism. Just a few pointers.

1.) Obama did 4 months of "community organizing," which... do you even know what "it" is? Community Organizing was getting people together to elect the people they want in office....hmm.. sounds more like political activity.

2.) Obama's donated between .5-6% of their income in the 2000+ which startd around $200K+ -> 1,000,000. .5-6%! In 2000/2001, it was $1400/250K. This speaks volume. McCain's have consistently donated between 20-30% of their combined income, John around 50%. If you respond with "their super wealthy," their cash income is actually not significantly more, yet they donate consistently more which means they have less disposable income. Now, I don't have a problem with however much anyone donates, I have a HUGE problem with someone that asks for billions of dollars and gives .5% to charity (which if I recall was to his radical church to begin with..)

Wow...maybe you should be doing the research. Philanthropy comes in many forms: money, goods, time, or effort, and you are blindy dismissing Obama's achievements in community organizing as self-serving political activity. Lets see...go to one of the worst parts of Chicago to help organize an inner-city community in need of employment, housing, education and economic development, or cut a check from my wife's account. Questioning one's altruism is valid if that particular candidate is shown to be hypocritical, like the five draft deferments for VP/former Secretary of Defense Cheney, but using percentages of comparable incomes without also considering overall net worth and other forms of philanthropy is quite invalid and biased. I do applaud Cindy McCain's philantropic efforts.

Regards,

Danny
 
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McCain was actually NOT favor by the party as their candidate until people voted for him.

This is why I hate being pressed for an answer. You can bet that if I had picked McCain, the Obama supporters would have been all over me just like you and dtrigg.

Let me reiterate: I HATE BOTH MAJOR PARTY CANDIDATES. Neither follow my particular philosophies, nor represent my interests.

Maybe I should've just let the gunman shoot me. At least, it'd be more intellectually honest.
 
Lol ,true philanthropy is kinda done for the joy and the goal of aid/healing,Mother Theresa did not end up running for president.For me it is tough to tell when the moves become calculated,a means to the end,becoming the highest ranked politician you can be.All these candidates have been self vetting for years.:rolleyes:
 
This is why I hate being pressed for an answer. You can bet that if I had picked McCain, the Obama supporters would have been all over me just like you and dtrigg.

Let me reiterate: I HATE BOTH MAJOR PARTY CANDIDATES. Neither follow my particular philosophies, nor represent my interests.

Maybe I should've just let the gunman shoot me. At least, it'd be more intellectually honest.

Bob, I am sorry if you took my comment as being disrespectful of your political beliefs. On the contary. I respect your opinion.
 
Bob, I am sorry if you took my comment as being disrespectful of your political beliefs. On the contary. I respect your opinion.

No worries, mate. It's cool.

It's just that every election cycle I get asked if I'm going to vote (D) or (R). And then I say "neither" and they're always like "Uh ... wut?" and then I go on to say that neither party represents my interests; and indeed, none of them do, but the party that's closest is the Libertarians, and so that's how I'm going to vote. And then it's always "you're wasting your vote!" which I've learned is really code for "vote for my guy".
 
Two parties? It seems to me the lines change as needed to keep or put in their "party" in office. Lip service, slogans, posing and clever campaigns to manipulate your finger tips in the toll booths so the winners, their families and friends can ride the gravy train.

There's no two parties, there's just one big party and we pay the bill.
 
Two parties? It seems to me the lines change as needed to keep or put in their "party" in office. Lip service, slogans, posing and clever campaigns to manipulate your finger tips in the toll booths so the winners, their families and friends can ride the gravy train.

There's no two parties, there's just one big party and we pay the bill.

Sad to say, but in many ways, you are absolutely right.

Regards,

Danny
 
I to am like Danny, fiscally conservative but socially liberal but interestingly, I am against Obama and for McCain just for these reasons. The platform seems again a plan of throwing money at the solution with the philosophy that with enough money spent, all will be solved but over and over, this rational has failed because much of the time, we have the arrogance to think that we know the answer when we don't even really know the question because we don't understand the culture or problem. To me, being socially liberal means supporting things like equal rights period, not equal rights for men or whites or whites and blacks but all. This to me includes gay rights including gay marriage which would include civil equality to heterosexual marriage.

McCain is closer to Bush in that he doesn't believe in spending our way out of a situation, the aid given to North Korea by Clinton is a recent example. What is most interesting is that despite all of the money we give around the world, we are still despised by many because the "gift" really isn't a gift but instead another tool of leverage and control. Lest we forget, McCain actually spoke out against the Iraq War, my step-father-in-law pointed that out very quickly with a comment that he too knew Vietnam.

Lastly, I think that it is funny that the Clinton Presidency is so praised especially regarding the economic success. Essentially, Clinton had the good fortune to take office at the upswing in the economy. He then did nohing when the Asia collapse started and essentially, the economic success was due to the growth of the Internet and associated industry. On the other hand, the downturn in the economy was at the end of his tenure when the Internet bubble collapsed, remember the Internet, that which was developed by Gore:biggrin:

Me, I just wanted a moderate candidate, either Republican or Democrat or Libertarian or Independent. Instead, we got a VERY liberal Democrat who clearly has ties to the Chicago Democratic Machine and a Cantankerous Republican who at least is left of Bush, moe to the right of middle than my preference but still better than the far left.

Obama is a fabulous speaker and I don't think that we have had a better communicator since Reagan. Analyze his acceptance speech and interestingly, his positions have already started to change compared to his rhetoric while running for the nomination. Where he will end up is unknown but this tells me that he is already the politician and that "change" is the same car with a new look.
 
Lol ,true philanthropy is kinda done for the joy and the goal of aid/healing,Mother Theresa did not end up running for president.For me it is tough to tell when the moves become calculated,a means to the end,becoming the highest ranked politician you can be.All these candidates have been self vetting for years.:rolleyes:

You are my HERO :wink::biggrin::biggrin::tongue:
 
Let me make a point here. Again, many will not agree with me.

I believe Obama is a good guy with a good heart; you can also tell he is learning because he continues to "revise" his positions. However, his current ideology may be influenced heavily by the well known extreme left politicians such as the Kenedy family, Nancy Pelocy, etc. I think if he wins the election and intend to be a successful president, he will have to reposition him self more towards the center. If he doesn't get elected, his time will come; if that is the case, if he stay out of controversies, I don't see why he wouldn't get elected. The price you paid for getting is rewarded with your ability to have stronger wisdom and because wiser.

As for Palin, you can't say her has experience is less than Obama. After all, she is a governor of the biggest state in the country, even though with second lowest population, it is still a handful to manage due to the land mass. Her views on governing may be broader than Obama's.

I do believe in social programs, but I don't believe in entitlements. For example, you can help some one who doesn't want to be helped, instead seeking freebies. If a mother of two left by her man, she should received some help if she's not capable. However, you need to put her in a situation so she understand that help will not be infinite; therefore, she should have a time frame to learn a trade so she can be on her own.

As for national health care, I'm actually for that - but give people the option to accept/decline to participate. Taiwan for example, probably have the best national health care system. The reason it works is because the medical cost is low while the physicians are still properly compensated. the structure is different in the country but that does not mean we shouldn't work towards it
 
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