Presidential Elelction poll

Why and Why?

  • I'm a Republican, I'm voting for any Republican on the ticket, in this case, McCain/Pulin

    Votes: 68 58.6%
  • I'm a Democrat, I'm voting for any Democratic Candidate, in this case Obama/Biden

    Votes: 33 28.4%
  • I usually vote for Republican, but I'm jumping ship to Obama this time

    Votes: 12 10.3%
  • I usually vote for Democrats, but I'm going to try McCain

    Votes: 3 2.6%

  • Total voters
    116
  • Poll closed .
I don't know what you guys were listening to.

I heard Drill Drill Drill, while seeking alternative energy.:confused: They even listed what they want to do.

Obama, ride your bike to work. Inflate your tires and do an oil change.

The whole point is to let the world know that we also have natural energy we can tap in to, the only people preventing us from doing this is our own political party.

That's not even close to what Obama has proposed in his energy plan. His plan is quite visionary and ambitious and most importantly, sustainable. Bear in mind McCain has flip-flopped on this issue as well. As with Obama, I am for some additional drilling if it will help with meeting demand in the not too distant future without deflating the motivation for pursuing, exploring and developing alternative energy.

Look at how much a Prius was sought after when gas was $4.50. Now imagine what the demand for the Prius will be when gas drops to $2.50. Nothing stifles innovation than the lack of urgency. Even Bush stated that our country is addicted to oil. Now your candidate's solution is to feed that addiction with ever increasing amounts of drilling. Not to mention nearly 4 billion in subsidies to the oil industry. And nuclear industry subsidies, and renewable energy subsi...opps! He never voted for that did he? Frankly, McCain is a hypocrit for having wind turbines in his commercials as he never voted for S. 3335, a senate bill that would have extended the investment tax credits for installing solar energy and the production tax credits for building wind turbines and other energy-efficiency systems. You should look into what Obama is proposing, and while you're at it, have you checked your tire pressures yet?:biggrin:

Regards,

Danny
 
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That's not even close to what Obama has proposed in his energy plan. His plan is quite visionary and ambitious and most importantly, sustainable. Bear in mind McCain has flip-flopped on this issue as well. As with Obama, I am for some additional drilling if it will help with meeting demand in the not too distant future without deflating the motivation for pursuing, exploring and developing alternative energy.

Look at how much a Prius was sought after when gas was $4.50. Now imagine what the demand for the Prius will be when gas drops to $2.50. Nothing stifles innovation than the lack of urgency. Even Bush stated that our country is addicted to oil. Now your candidate's solution is to feed that addiction with ever increasing amounts of drilling. Not to mention nearly 4 billion in subsidies to the oil industry. And nuclear industry subsidies, and renewable energy subsi...opps! He never voted for that did he? Frankly, McCain is a hypocrit for having wind turbines in his commercials as he never voted for S. 3335, a senate bill that would have extended the investment tax credits for installing solar energy and the production tax credits for building wind turbines and other energy-efficiency systems. You should look into what Obama is proposing, and while you're at it, have you checked your tire pressures yet?:biggrin:

Regards,

Danny

Danny, There are some controversy with Obama in the Chicago politics but brush that aside, you can't say McCain is a hypocrit when Obama haven't even done any thing with his Nation Wide Political Career. It is actually a good thing that Politician takes a different position for the better. Drilling is part of a solution because regardless what innovation is going to be in the future, probably in a distance future, people need their energy now.

The truth of matter is, what happen if the energy related community can't figure out how to offer the world a better solution under 4 or even 8 years of a Obama candidacy, should people continue to suffer? $4 per gallon gas price is only a preview of what is to come if we don't seek our own resources while working on the alternatives. Now we're sending $80 billion per year over seas to countries who like to hold us hostage, the number will only increase when the price climb even more, why not put a stick up OPEC's ass and tell them that we're going to keep that $80 plus billion per year by drilling our own while creating 10 and thousands of jobs, end oil dependency, and perhaps sell our own oil to other countries and make some money to pay for alternative energy research?
 
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Danny, There are some controversy with Obama in the Chicago politics but brush that aside, you can't say McCain is a hypocrit when Obama haven't even done any thing with his Nation Wide Political Career. It is actually a good thing that Politician takes a different position for the better. Drilling is part of a solution because regardless what innovation is going to be in the future, probably in a distance future, people need their energy now.

The truth of matter is, what happen if the energy related community can't figure out how to offer the world a better solution under 4 or even 8 years of a Obama candidacy, should people continue to suffer? $4 per gallon gas price is only a preview of what is to come if we don't seek our own resources while working on the alternatives. Now we're sending $80 billion per year over seas to countries who like to hold us hostage, the number will only increase when the price climb even more, why not put a stick up OPEC's ass and tell them that we're going to keep that $80 plus billion per year by drilling our own while creating 10 and thousands of jobs, end oil dependency, and perhaps sell our own oil to other countries and make some money to pay for alternative energy research?

Watching Bush walk hand in hand with King Abdullah was like watching an addict holding the hand of the drug dealer, so I'm all for sticking it up their asses. There is no doubt that immediate drilling will help solve a lot of our near future oil needs, but that is too near sighted for me. Furthermore, I'm sure expansion of the renewable energy industry will produce far more jobs than what may be gained in additional drilling sites.

Has anyone actually considered that in the far off future, when every known current oil reserve has dwindled/ passed its peak output, and oil is no longer for sale? I'd love to be sitting on a boat load of untapped off-shore and ANWR oil then. But by then, the oil will be used mostly for jet fuel, plastics, polymers, etc. as most of our domestic cars will be hydrogen fuel cell/hybrid units powered by electricity produced by the vast array of solar-thermal/solar-voltaic/ wind turbines implemented by President Obama 30 years earlier. THEN we can tell the rest of the world to go fuck themselves.

Regards,

Danny
 
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$4 per gallon gas price is only a preview of what is to come

You can take that to the bank. Do it right and you can buy the bank when you get there. Right now people are sighing with a little relief. Little has changed, the next 5-10 years, including nuclear and natural gas along with oil, look extraordinarily gloomy. This Russia thing is far more important then 99.9% of people realize.
 
Has anyone actually considered that in the far off future, when every known current oil reserve has dwindled/ passed its peak output, and oil is no longer for sale? I'd love to be sitting on a boat load of untapped off-shore and ANWR oil then. But by then, the oil will be used mostly for jet fuel, plastics, polymers, etc. as most of our domestic cars will be hydrogen fuel cell/hybrid units powered by electricity produced by the vast array of solar-thermal/solar-voltaic/ wind turbines implemented by President Obama 30 years earlier. THEN we can tell the rest of the world to go fuck themselves.

Regards,

Danny

I like that part. I have thought about it, it will be during my lifetime short of miracle upon miracle. The problem is if we wait too long the infrastructure necessary to meet even a fraction [think 20% of current usage] of our energy meets with non oil/nat gas/nuclear (that isn't infinite either) will be -impossible- without oil still in existence and relatively cheap [under 10$ a gallon in today's terms]. With currently unthinkably productive alternative energy of all forms we can meet about a third of world energy needs without using more coal then we already do. By the time this would actually occur, it would be closer to 10-15%. The solution will probably be mass starvation in many areas without the support of petroleum based cheap farming. Regardless, I'll see it coming.
 
According to specialist, in the most optimistic guess and ideal condition, We will not see any of the oil in 10 years from the offshore drilling.

How many years did the "specialistS/experts" said to rebuild S. Cal after the North-ridge Earthquake? And how fast they get the job done under massive financial incentives?

Sorry bro, you're toss that CNN MSNBC crap again.

The experts you're talking about are Liberal Experts. Give me some names and their credential and we'll talk.

My business partner is also an active senior piping designer and Material engineer for Fluor Corp and have been on foreign assignments on similar projects, including Australia, Russa, Venezuela, and Canada over the last 30 years. Do you know what they do? In his personal experience, if drilling is permitted, the oil companies will jump on it so fast that they will get the oil out faster than Obama can destroy our economy:rolleyes:

Hyperthetically speaking, if it will take 10 years to get the oil out, are you suggesting we just sit here and wait for alternative energy to be available while dealing with high energy cost?:rolleyes::confused:

Don't forget, the D party doesn't even want to built new Nuclear Power Plants.

The high energy cost is not limited to gasoline price.

Watching Bush walk hand in hand with King Abdullah was like watching an addict holding the hand of the drug dealer, so I'm all for sticking it up their asses. There is no doubt that immediate drilling will help solve a lot of our near future oil needs, but that is too near sighted for me. Furthermore, I'm sure expansion of the renewable energy industry will produce far more jobs than what may be gained in additional drilling sites.

Has anyone actually considered that in the far off future, when every known current oil reserve has dwindled/ passed its peak output, and oil is no longer for sale? I'd love to be sitting on a boat load of untapped off-shore and ANWR oil then. But by then, the oil will be used mostly for jet fuel, plastics, polymers, etc. as most of our domestic cars will be hydrogen fuel cell/hybrid units powered by electricity produced by the vast array of solar-thermal/solar-voltaic/ wind turbines implemented by President Obama 30 years earlier. THEN we can tell the rest of the world to go fuck themselves.

Regards,

Danny

Danny, I do agree with you on many aspect of this energy issue. What I don't agree with you is your believe in Obama's ability to solve our problem when his party leader such as Pelocy, Reed, Schumer, etc are all against anything that will relief our energy crisis. They're the one who blocked every advancement back in the 1990's when Clinton was in office.

Therefore, according all of you, drilling is NOT the solution now, but will be a good solution later?

Let me use my Partner's thoughts here again. Fluor as a company, believe that we have plenty of oil to last us for centuries. Where and how to get them is the issue. For example, the reason Mid East oil is popular is because of it's high quality when compare to Venezuela. You know we take as much Venezuela will give us because the US buys oil form pertty much any where because we need it.

Why did our Democratic infested congress allow China to drill in the coast of Florida, but not us?

while you're at it, have you checked your tire pressures yet?:biggrin:

My crappy ES100 Front tires are going on 35000 miles on my NSX...lol I think that's a record.

The rear ES 100 lasted 3000 miles. It's a record too:wink:
 
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Watching Bush walk hand in hand with King Abdullah was like watching an addict holding the hand of the drug dealer, so I'm all for sticking it up their asses.

FYI. That is a very common aspect of Eastern and Middle Eastern cultures. When in their culture, do as they do.
 
FYI. That is a very common aspect of Eastern and Middle Eastern cultures. When in their culture, do as they do.
This happened in Crawford TX in 2005.

Regards,

Danny
 
This happened in Crawford TX in 2005.

Regards,

Danny

Who cares where it happened. It's how you deal with other cultures. I have spend over half my life living outside the United States. You respect other cultures no matter where you are if you want to deal with them. If you're meeting with someone from China, do you know how to give and receive a business card, here or in China? Doesn't matter if it's here or in China. You screw up, you don't do business with them. Ugly American? Welcome to the world of international relations and international commerce. Yeah, up their ass. You're off to a great start.

Might interest you as a physician that I ran the largest private hospital in Europe. Being sensitive to different cultures was of upmost importance to our success. Our patient population was from Europe, the Middle East, Asia and the United States. I had 64 ICU beds. Get the hint? I really appreciate a physician that is sensitive to their patients needs, don't you?

Welcome to my world. Welcome to the world. Yeah, up their ass, great idea. Great start.:confused::confused:

Cheers,

Doug
 
How many years did the "specialistS/experts" said to rebuild S. Cal after the North-ridge Earthquake? And how fast they got every thing done when there were financial incentives?

Sorry bro, you're toss that CNN MSNBC crap again.

The experts you're talking about are Liberal Experts. Give me some names and their credential and we'll talk.

My business partner is also an active senior piping designer and Material engineer for Fluor Corp and have been on foreign assignments on similar projects, including Australia, Russa, Venezuela, and Canada over the last 30 years. Do you know what they do? In his personal experience, if drilling is permitted, the oil companies will jump on it so fast that they will get the oil out faster than Obama can destroy our economy:rolleyes:

Hyperthetically speaking, if it will take 10 years to get the oil out, do you suggest we just sit here and wait for alternative energy to be available while dealing with high energy cost?:rolleyes::confused:

Don't forget, the D party doesn't even want to built new Nuclear Power Plants.

The high energy cost is not limited to gasoline price.



Danny, I do agree with you on many aspect of this energy issue. What I don't agree with you is your believe in Obama's ability to solve our problem when his party leader such as Pelocy, Reed, Schumer, etc are all against anything that will relief our energy crisis. They're the one who blocked every advancement back in the 1990's when Clinton was in office.

Therefore, according all of you, drilling is NOT the solution now, but will be a good solution later?

Let me use my Partner's thoughts here again. Fluor as a company, believe that we have plenty of oil to last us for centuries. It where and how to get them is the issue. For example, the reason Mid East oil is popular is because of it's higher quality when compare to Venezuela. We use oil for pertty much any where because we need it.

Why did our Democratic infested congress allow China to drill in the coast of Florida, but not us?



My crappy ES100 Front tires are going on 35000 miles on my NSX...lol I think that's a record.

The rear ES 100 lasted 3000 miles. It's a record too:wink:

Vance,

First of all, China is not drilling off the Florida coast: http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,366249,00.html

Drilling will not have an impact on domestic oil supply for at least 5 years, during which time, development of sites and additional refining capacity must be addressed (notice all the talk is about drilling for more oil but nothing is ever mentioned about building new oil refineries). Once this is achieved, I'm very confident that the additional supply will simply be diluted out/priced along with the rest of the world's oil supply and its commeasurate increased global demand, resulting in yet another record profit for the oil companies. Demand is the key here, and the sooner we start decreasing our relative demand through whatever means(including checking tire pressures at the simplest level), the further we will be insulated from the impact of the world's oil demands. BTW, aren't the oil futures traded on the open market, regardless of where it is derived?

Ever notice the GLUT of oil company commercials about fighting malaria, or new methods of safe exploration with techniques such as analyzing magnetic fields, or how YOUR retirement accounts are heavily invested in oil companies, or how oil company scientists are reaching out to the communities to foster education? Seems like a lot of propaganda in anticipation of record oil profit reports to me. Feels like the same as the run up to the war in Iraq. Crisis followed by knee-jerk responses. "Smoking gun in the shape of a mushroom cloud">>> war! war! war! Crude oil price jumps due to increased demand by China and India/ Iranian missile launches/ hurricanes in the Gulf/ Russian aggression/ violence in Lebanon/ (fill in)>>> drill!, drill!, drill!

Finally, we've had a Republican controlled congress since 1994 (during which McCain was against off shore drilling and the tax cuts) so you really can't place the blame on the Dems here. At least Obama has a timeline.

Best Regards,

Danny
 
Who cares where it happened. It's how you deal with other cultures. I have spend over half my life living outside the United States. You respect other cultures no matter where you are if you want to deal with them. If you're meeting with someone from China, do you know how to give and receive a business card, here or in China? Doesn't matter if it's here or in China. You screw up, you don't do business with them. Ugly American? Welcome to the world of international relations and international commerce. Yeah, up their ass. You're off to a great start.

Might interest you as a physician that I ran the largest private hospital in Europe. Being sensitive to different cultures was of upmost importance to our success. Our patient population was from Europe, the Middle East, Asia and the United States. I had 64 ICU beds. Get the hint? I really appreciate a physician that is sensitive to their patients needs, don't you?

Welcome to my world. Welcome to the world. Yeah, up their ass, great idea. Great start.:confused::confused:

Cheers,

Doug

Two handed with a slight head bow? Yeah, I've been abroad as well. Also, who's supposed to be the buyer and who's the seller in that meeting because that is also a factor, at least in China. FYI, I'm a very sensitive and empathetic physician and it's a gift I'm very appreciative of. My comment about sticking it up their ass is inappropriate; I simply let my deep dislike for a wahhabi monarch, who is reaping the benefits from all the death and destruction happening in the Middle East, get out of hand. I apologize if I offended anyone with my comment.

Regards,

Danny
 
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Vance,

First of all, China is not drilling off the Florida coast: http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,366249,00.html

Again, Fluor Corp is in the process of prepping for more project on refineries. I was solicited by my biz partner to take a class so if I wish to enter that field, I have a ticket to do so. Fluor project the job growth for that particular field is going to be similar to the IT field of the 90's, and they currently, they don't have enough employees to fill the project. Also, they are prepping to built more nuclear power plants. Every thing is in motion.

Drilling will not have an impact on domestic oil supply for at least 5 years, during which time, development of sites and additional refining capacity must be addressed (notice all the talk is about drilling for more oil but nothing is ever mentioned about building new oil refineries). Once this is achieved, I'm very confident that the additional supply will simply be diluted out/priced along with the rest of the world's oil supply and its commeasurate increased global demand, resulting in yet another record profit for the oil companies. Demand is the key here, and the sooner we start decreasing our relative demand through whatever means(including checking tire pressures at the simplest level), the further we will be insulated from the impact of the world's oil demands. BTW, aren't the oil futures traded on the open market, regardless of where it is derived?

Ever notice the GLUT of oil company commercials about fighting malaria, or new methods of safe exploration with techniques such as analyzing magnetic fields, or how YOUR retirement accounts are heavily invested in oil companies, or how oil company scientists are reaching out to the communities to foster education? Seems like a lot of propaganda in anticipation of record oil profit reports to me. Feels like the same as the run up to the war in Iraq. Crisis followed by knee-jerk responses. "Smoking gun in the shape of a mushroom cloud">>> war! war! war! Crude oil price jumps due to increased demand by China and India/ Iranian missile launches/ hurricanes in the Gulf/ Russian aggression/ violence in Lebanon/ (fill in)>>> drill!, drill!, drill!

Finally, we've had a Republican controlled congress since 1994 (during which McCain was against off shore drilling and the tax cuts) so you really can't place the blame on the Dems here. At least Obama has a timeline.

Best Regards,

Danny
That's a good news that China is not tapping into our resource.

Here is the deal. Regardless what every one here are saying, the drilling has to happen. Even if it will not have any effect within your timeline of five years. Timeline for product is important but let the world know that we will have our own production is important. Also by doing so OPEC may ease the pricing with the the anticipation of additional supply. Remember when gas price went from $1.5 to $2 to $3, each time, people cried, but they still have to drive.

As I have indicated, let those guys duke it out with their debates, and let's them present their case on National TV instead of Internet sites.

Also, high oil pricing can also be brought down by increasing the value of our dollars, which McCain also indicated that he would do.

Look, this is one of the most interesting political season, in my opinion, not because of Politic as usual, but Politic as usual by two very different candidate group.

I don't believe Obama's ability to create 5 million new green jobs. The private sectors have to create them. The government may offer incentives to companies by jump start the green sector, not every one will follow.

All right, I'm down with this energy stuff, I'm sure you do too. We both presented out cases, let's find a second issue to chit chat.

Next????


BTW, when are you coming out again? Stop by the first week of October, Mike Cruz will be here, so is Mike(the Kid) from New Jersey. Come and hang out.
 
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Great idea! October sounds like fun. Enough of the "wu liao"!

Take Care,

Danny
 
Vance,

First of all, China is not drilling off the Florida coast: http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,366249,00.html

Drilling will not have an impact on domestic oil supply for at least 5 years, during which time, development of sites and additional refining capacity must be addressed (notice all the talk is about drilling for more oil but nothing is ever mentioned about building new oil refineries). Once this is achieved, I'm very confident that the additional supply will simply be diluted out/priced along with the rest of the world's oil supply and its commeasurate increased global demand, resulting in yet another record profit for the oil companies. Demand is the key here, and the sooner we start decreasing our relative demand through whatever means(including checking tire pressures at the simplest level), the further we will be insulated from the impact of the world's oil demands. BTW, aren't the oil futures traded on the open market, regardless of where it is derived?

Ever notice the GLUT of oil company commercials about fighting malaria, or new methods of safe exploration with techniques such as analyzing magnetic fields, or how YOUR retirement accounts are heavily invested in oil companies, or how oil company scientists are reaching out to the communities to foster education? Seems like a lot of propaganda in anticipation of record oil profit reports to me. Feels like the same as the run up to the war in Iraq. Crisis followed by knee-jerk responses. "Smoking gun in the shape of a mushroom cloud">>> war! war! war! Crude oil price jumps due to increased demand by China and India/ Iranian missile launches/ hurricanes in the Gulf/ Russian aggression/ violence in Lebanon/ (fill in)>>> drill!, drill!, drill!

Finally, we've had a Republican controlled congress since 1994 (during which McCain was against off shore drilling and the tax cuts) so you really can't place the blame on the Dems here. At least Obama has a timeline.

Best Regards,

Danny
That's a good news that China is not tapping into our resource.

Fluor Corp is actually gearing up to built more refineries. There is a shortage of staff to take on the projects and they are hiring people off the street. I was solicited to take a class so if I want to enter that field, there will be a job for me. They are also gearing up to built Nuclear Power plant.

Supply and demand is one form of argument. How often have you heard Saudi was asked to produce more barrels and they declined, even though their capacity have not been reached.

Here is the deal. Regardless what every one here are saying, the drilling has to happen. Even if it will not have any effect within your timeline of five years. Timeline for product is important but let the world know that we will have our own production is important. Also by doing so OPEC may ease the pricing with the the anticipation of additional supply. Remember when gas price went from $1.5 to $2 to $3, each time, people cried, but they still have to drive.

As I have indicated, let those guys duke it out with their debates, and let's them present their case on National TV instead of Internet sites.

Also, high oil pricing can also be brought down by increasing the value of our dollars, which McCain also indicated that he would do.

Look, this is one of the most interesting political season, in my opinion, not because of Politic as usual, but Politic as usual by two very different candidate group.

I don't believe Obama's ability to create 5 million new green jobs. The private sectors have to create them. The government may offer incentives to companies by jump start the green sector, not every one will follow.

All right, I'm done with this energy stuff, I'm sure you do too. We both presented our cases, let's find a second issue to chit chat.

Next????


BTW, when are you coming out again? Stop by the first week of October, Mike Cruz will be here, so is Mike(the Kid) from New Jersey. Come and hang out.
 
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Sounds like fun. I'll definitely try to come down.

Regards,

Danny
 
According to specialist, in the most optimistic guess and ideal condition, We will not see any of the oil in 10 years from the offshore drilling.

Let's dissect this logic for "why we shouldn't drill for oil now in N. America"


3. (most importantly) The alternative to drilling (Not Drilling but investing heavily in green technology etc.) will yield good results. Put another way, if we don't drill, but simply rely on our "expected ingenuity" and "finding new technologies" and "successfully changing consumer behavior" we will succeed. People will drive less, and we will have found new technologies, to reduce our oil dependency. Future technologies will solve this problem alone, so why should we drill just in case... Now THAT is a dangerous assumption. Ask the pharameutical companies, who invest billions every year in search of cures for HIV, diabetes, influenza, etc., how much of a guarantee can be had from a) lots of money invested and b) an earnest desire for success.
 
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Let's dissect this logic for "why we shouldn't drill for oil now in N. America"


3. (most importantly) The alternative to drilling (Not Drilling but investing heavily in green technology etc.) will yield good results. Put another way, if we don't drill, but simply rely on our "expected ingenuity" and "finding new technologies" and "successfully changing consumer behavior" we will succeed. People will drive less, and we will have found new technologies, to reduce our oil dependency. Future technologies will solve this problem alone, so why should we drill just in case... Now THAT is a dangerous assumption. Ask the pharameutical companies, who invest billions every year in search of cures for HIV, diabetes, influenza, etc., how much of a guarantee can be had from a) lots of money invested and b) an earnest desire for success.

I like how you put that. There are a few issues due to my background that involve no partisan bias. These are issues that I researched and studied before politics even considered them for argument/discussion. Let me repeat, without full blown utilization of any current natural resources AND maximizing investment in alternative energies, we are taking perhaps the greatest risk by the developed world in history. Hesitation can spell disaster. Anything that doesn't involve full utilization of our current resources WHILE doing everything we can to build alternatives is NOT a strategy, it is Russian roulette with HOPE patting you on the shoulder saying its going to be ok. Do not be naive, any plan that doesn't involve heavy nuclear and oil infrastructure will actually transfer more burden on coal-the dirtiest and heaviest polluting form of energy production we have. My realist guess is that as soon as alternatives are realized not to be effective enough fast enough, all "green" angles will be thrown in to the lake in search of ANYTHING, and that "anything" will be more coal because we have a large, perhaps 200 year, supply.

We CAN drill safely in Alaska without destroying the environment or even marginally harming it, I'm a huge outdoors man fishing/hunting/hiking/mountain climbing etc. and donate time and $$ to protect it. But the kind of fishing and hunting you will do if our energy policy is not overhauled immediately will be the kind where if you don't succeed you don't eat!

A lot of issues come down to personal choice, I don't believe we are at a point anymore where this is still a 'choice'. I am looking forward to hearing more from Obama so that if he does win I'll know what to look for in the future, McCain is a little more clear/concrete on advancing nuclear like Europe etc. that will tide us over. Without more nuclear and oil, odds are we will shoot ourselves in the foot with counterproductive further coal exploitation. If you've been to the coal plants in TX or IN like I have, you don't want to go back.
 
BTW, in case any of you guys bought the 10 years program put out by this so called "Experts."

Fluor Corp built a brand new refinery in Russia's Sakhalin Island, The project was completed in April of 2007. a place with condition rivals Siberia - In less than 3 years. Exxon Mobile partnered with a Russian and Indian oil company put up the budget. Parts were warehoused in S. Korea. Majority of the parts were assembled in S. Korea before shipped to Russia. My business partner was there fore three years in charge of the inventory.

A high ranked Fluor executives said the projected time to get the oil out of Alaska will be around three years.

Also, the current talk of "lack" of refineries should really be "antiquated" refinery. Many are been updated to meet production capacity. If we update all the refineries around the country, they can actually improve production by as much as 100%.
 
BTW, in case any of you guys bought the 10 years program put out by this so called "Experts."

Fluor Corp built a brand new refinery in Russia's Sakhalin Island, The project was completed in April of 2007. a place with condition rivals Siberia - In less than 3 years. Exxon Mobile partnered with a Russian and Indian oil company put up the budget. Parts were warehoused in S. Korea. Majority of the parts were assembled in S. Korea before shipped to Russia. My business partner was there fore three years in charge of the inventory.

A high ranked Fluor executives said the projected time to get the oil out of Alaska will be around three years.

Also, the current talk of "lack" of refineries should really be "antiquated" refinery. Many are been updated to meet production capacity. If we update all the refineries around the country, they can actually improve production by as much as 100%.

I worked for National OilWell Varco as recently as two years ago [oil service firm]. Refineries are not being built because they are too expensive with current environmental regulations (almost too expensive anyways, crack spreads are garbage with high oil prices). Previously built refineries are exempt as long as they were constructed before the various laws. These new laws were completely counterproductive. Instead of actually having cleaner refineries which you'd assume would be the purpose of enacting stricter environmental laws in the first place, all you have done is cement the exact units you were trying to get rid of in to the system. You have also made building cleaner units irrational and fiscally impossible. So now all our refineries are all decades old and deteriorating, usually running at 85-90% capacity nonstop and if even one large one goes down, which will eventually happen simply because of the complexity and age of the units, it could shut down cities. Government screw up #4,324,231,343,323. While they are making many efforts to increase production capacity, upgrades tend to get decreasing returns to scale. Without a new unit, you are just chasing bottleneck and after bottleneck. Compounding this issue is that these upgrades are very costly and many firms in this area are struggling (refiners specifically).
 
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I worked for National OilWell Varco as recently as two years ago [oil service firm]. Refineries are not being built because they are too expensive with current environmental regulations (almost too expensive anyways, crack spreads are garbage with high oil prices). Previously built refineries are exempt as long as they were constructed before the various laws. These new laws were completely counterproductive. Instead of actually having cleaner refineries which you'd assume would be the purpose of enacting stricter environmental laws in the first place, all you have done is cement the exact units you were trying to get rid of in to the system. You have also made building cleaner units irrational and fiscally impossible. So now all our refineries are all decades old and deteriorating, usually running at 85-90% capacity nonstop and if even one large one goes down, which will eventually happen simply because of the complexity and age of the units, it could shut down cities. Government screw up #4,324,231,343,323. While they are making many efforts to increase production capacity, upgrades tend to get decreasing returns to scale. Without a new unit, you are just chasing bottleneck and after bottleneck. Compounding this issue is that these upgrades are very costly and many firms in this area are struggling (refiners specifically).

Fluor is working on updating the refinery in Detroit, and other parts of the country. They are gearing up to built the refinery if necessary. We can meet our production capacity by simply updating our current plants.
 
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Is this thread "treading lightly on religion and politics"? :smile:

So, I'll contribute too.

Responding to this snippit...
"I've found that many atheists tend to be more fanatical about their beliefs than Al Qaeda operatives seaking 72 virgins in the afterlife"
...did you ever see a headline that says "Atheist forces jet to fly
into building, kills thousands"?

Can someone name any one activity that benefits people, the planet, animals, or the future of mankind that absolutely requires a belief in the supernatural?

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Is this thread "treading lightly on religion and politics"? :smile:

So, I'll contribute too.

Responding to this snippit...
"I've found that many atheists tend to be more fanatical about their beliefs than Al Qaeda operatives seaking 72 virgins in the afterlife"
...did you ever see a headline that says "Atheist forces jet to fly
into building, kills thousands"?

Can someone name any one activity that benefits people, the planet, animals, or the future of mankind that absolutely requires a belief in the supernatural?

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Huh?


Anyway, being from Bentonville, Arkansas you should be as pro McCain/Palin as it gets. I mean, big time. Given this economic environment, and the anti-capitalism movements underway around the world, your city's biggest employer has a LOT to worry about. If Obama gets elected, Wal-Mart will go union -- no question. "Change" is in the air...
 
Leave energy off the table for a minute. The problem I have with Obama is his economic plan. He basically will raise taxes on the rich "fat cats" and then spend (inefficiently) the money on the downtrodden. The more people that he can make dependent on his handouts, the more people that will keep voting him into power. I don't consider myself financially wealthy, but I have the sneaking suspicion that under his plan, with my salary and my wife's salary combined, we're Rockefellers in Obama's eyes.

The democrats' policy is wealth redistribution which I think is patently unfair and counterproductive. What's my incentive to work and be productive in society if I can sit on my @$$ and get it for free, as opposed to actually producing and being punished for it?

Fred Thompson's speech during the RNC on Obama's tax plan was spot-on. He said, if you're not rich, then Obama's plan is great. Unless you're someone who typically buys groceries... or clothes for your kids... or gas for your car. Then maybe you better think it through.

If the "evil" profitable corporations are taxed more, what do you think happens to the price of goods and services? Prices go up and up until the market won't bear it anymore. Then, those companies need less labor. So they fire workers or they leave the market or go elsewhere. The higher prices hurt us all in the short run, especially those with lower incomes, then when more and more people find themselves out of work, who gets to support them? Survey says.... The Taxpayers - Correct!! It's just a downward spiral the short-sighted hand-out crowd can't seem to grasp.

The argument is always the same - "but what about the minorities who don't get a fair shake and have the cards stacked against them? They want to work but can't find a good job." Boo hoo, sob, sob. I don't buy it. Maybe I was raised with "tough love" and have a cold heart, but if Obama can pull himself up by his bootstraps and rise to wealth and prominence, why can't every other person? What government handouts did Obama get growing up that enabled him to become so successful? I don't want any handouts from Uncle Sam for myself, and I don't think anyone else who is physically capable of working should get them either.

The problem is that so many people are developing the entitlement mentality and think the government is their own private ATM. The government should be the bare minimum to provide only the services the private sector can't do itself - national security, administration of justice, police power, etc. Let the people handle the rest of the important decisions in their lives. Well, that's my $.02.
 
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