Presidential Elelction poll

[lowellhigh79]

Is this thread "treading lightly on religion and politics"? :smile:

So, I'll contribute too.

Responding to this snippit...
"I've found that many atheists tend to be more fanatical about their beliefs than Al Qaeda operatives seaking 72 virgins in the afterlife"
...did you ever see a headline that says "Atheist forces jet to fly
into building, kills thousands"?

Can someone name any one activity that benefits people, the planet, animals, or the future of mankind that absolutely requires a belief in the supernatural?

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+1! By claiming that morality (whole or in part) can only come from the divine, atheists must be amoral..which just isn't true, and in most cases that I have seen, are just the opposite. So yeah, I can understand where that point of view must be believed...with faith

Regards,

Danny

 

[lowellhigh79]

Huh?


Anyway, being from Bentonville, Arkansas you should be as pro McCain/Palin as it gets. I mean, big time. Given this economic environment, and the anti-capitalism movements underway around the world, your city's biggest employer has a LOT to worry about. If Obama gets elected, Wal-Mart will go union -- no question. "Change" is in the air...

He's thinking with his brain, not with his wallet.

Regards,

Danny

 

[Dtrigg]

He's thinking with his brain, not with his wallet.

Regards,

Danny

Perhaps I am mistaken, but I think Ski-Banker is insinuating that Senator Obama is thinking with other people’s wallet, not his. Unionization of Wal-Mart and restrictive foreign trade policies, as expressed by Mr. Obama, i.e. the restructuring of NAFTA, has the potential of a financial impact on the American economy.

But than again, what do I know. Ski, could you please clarify?

Cheers,

Doug

 

[MisterNSX]

Regarding this:

Anyway, being from Bentonville, Arkansas you should be as pro McCain/Palin as it gets. I mean, big time. Given this economic environment, and the anti-capitalism movements underway around the world, your city's biggest employer has a LOT to worry about. If Obama gets elected, Wal-Mart will go union -- no question. "Change" is in the air.

...I live in Arkansas, I am not from Arkasas. I spent my first 51 years in California. I'm only in Arkansas due to a promotion my wife took.

Somehow my religious question got changed to political. My question is serious, I've been asking it for years and I'm still waiting
for a legit response. Can someone name something that positively benefits humanity, animals, the planet or advances civilization, which requires a belief in the supernatural?

This isn't flippant...I really wanna know what I'm apparently missing, something millions claim to understand, but I don't get it. For me to buy into the superstition and dogma, I simply seek a reason to do so.

 

[docjohn]

Yikes,anyone else catch Obama's interview with O'Reilly on the factor,,Kinda weak economic accumen If thats all he's got there is gonna be some sadness among all the hard working americans when the small and medium size bussiness owners start cutting jobs and expenses to make up for lost tax revenue.The only winners imo are the government and those who don't really contribute :frown:

 

[sahtt]

Yikes,anyone else catch Obama's interview with O'Reilly on the factor,,Kinda weak economic accumen If thats all he's got there is gonna be some sadness among all the hard working americans when the small and medium size bussiness owners start cutting jobs and expenses to make up for lost tax revenue.The only winners imo are the government and those who don't really contribute :frown:

Don't get me started. It's disturbing but fairly easy to understand. Half of americans are net tax receivers. Convince a decent size portion of cali to go along with it and taking taxes from the "rich" appeals to a lot of people.

Both his energy and economic plan severely lack in substance, not that McCain's is great, or even "good", but he has one and it's reasonable at least. These are the issues that matter to me because they effect me. I'm not going to marry a man so gay marriage is not my business. But taking my money and risking our future economic progress and in reality you take away from everything. I hope Obama's plan becomes more clear and succinct as the election progresses and he is forced to explain his policies instead of trying to appease everyone [I completely understand this, it's completely rational and I don't blame him]. If Obama could get his stuff straight and come up with a good plan [even better then McCain's], more power to him and my care factor in this election would be considerably reduced. But hope is not a strategy.

 

[lowellhigh79]

Regarding this:

Anyway, being from Bentonville, Arkansas you should be as pro McCain/Palin as it gets. I mean, big time. Given this economic environment, and the anti-capitalism movements underway around the world, your city's biggest employer has a LOT to worry about. If Obama gets elected, Wal-Mart will go union -- no question. "Change" is in the air.

...I live in Arkansas, I am not from Arkasas. I spent my first 51 years in California. I'm only in Arkansas due to a promotion my wife took.

Somehow my religious question got changed to political. My question is serious, I've been asking it for years and I'm still waiting
for a legit response. Can someone name something that positively benefits humanity, animals, the planet or advances civilization, which requires a belief in the supernatural?

This isn't flippant...I really wanna know what I'm apparently missing, something millions claim to understand, but I don't get it. For me to buy into the superstition and dogma, I simply seek a reason to do so.

Ditto. How did your question become political?

Assumption #1: You are an atheist because you questioned the statement comparing Al Qaeda fanaticism to atheists (and by inference, all atheists are really bad people).
Assumption #2: All atheists are social liberals (because the religious right represents social conservativism)
Assumption #3: All social liberals are Democrats (because the Republican party represents the Consevative movement-this was the political jump point without ever differentiating fiscal vs. social conservaticism)
Assumption #4: All Democrats are voting for Obama

By the way. You don't need any reason and you aren't missing anything; you just need a little more faith

Regards,

Danny

 

[BD]

Don't get me started. It's disturbing but fairly easy to understand. Half of americans are net tax receivers. Convince a decent size portion of cali to go along with it and taking taxes from the "rich" appeals to a lot of people.

This doesn't effect me because my business is main cash and I get to fiddle with it.

BUT

The part I was surprised by it is when Obama told O'Reilly "You can afford it!"

That's an assumption by Obama that every one with similar "Obama" income can afford the tax he tag on.

I don't mind pay a little more when the nation is in crisis. I do mind pay more just because the economy is slow.

How about this one - How many "higher" tax believers will write a bonus check to the IRS as charity to help lower the deficit?

Deficit issue is a complex one. A bigger government with higher rate will not solve it.

 

[flaminio]

My question is serious, I've been asking it for years and I'm still waiting for a legit response. Can someone name something that positively benefits humanity, animals, the planet or advances civilization, which requires a belief in the supernatural?

This isn't flippant...I really wanna know what I'm apparently missing, something millions claim to understand, but I don't get it. For me to buy into the superstition and dogma, I simply seek a reason to do so.

Preach on, brother. I'm with you all the way.

 

[Ski_Banker]

Perhaps I am mistaken, but I think Ski-Banker is insinuating that Senator Obama is thinking with other people’s wallet, not his. Unionization of Wal-Mart and restrictive foreign trade policies, as expressed by Mr. Obama, i.e. the restructuring of NAFTA, has the potential of a financial impact on the American economy.

But than again, what do I know. Ski, could you please clarify?

Cheers,

Doug

Spot on.

 

[0ctan3]

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/story/2008/06/09/ST2008060900950.html

 

[lowellhigh79]

Spot on.

No, Ski was addressing MisterNSX:"you should be as pro McCain/Palin as it gets. I mean, big time. Given this economic environment, and the anti-capitalism movements underway around the world, your city's biggest employer has a LOT to worry about."
Which is why I posted to Ski : "He's (MisterNSX) is thinking with his brain, not with his wallet." How Obama got into this is lost to me.

Regards,

Danny

 

[10Blade]

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/story/2008/06/09/ST2008060900950.html

$7800 eh?

That would buy a comptech header, some advan AVS T5s and tires, a pair of lechers side skirts and paint, and that shine GT-spec chin spoiler...and I'd have enough left over for a pretty solid night on the town.

OR...95% of Americans benefit.

Hmmmm.

Man. Love those headers....

But 95%? That's, like, most people.

This is tough.

Maybe I could get all that stuff and throw an extra buck to that guy always begging for change under the bridge? No. I'd rather keep the buck. It's probably his fault he lives under a bridge. He could have a job, he just needs to work.

No. It's a clear choice. I'm voting for change. And for a change I'm putting me first! Yeah! USA!...I mean...ME!

:wink:

 

[Ski_Banker]

No, Ski was addressing MisterNSX:"you should be as pro McCain/Palin as it gets. I mean, big time. Given this economic environment, and the anti-capitalism movements underway around the world, your city's biggest employer has a LOT to worry about."
Which is why I posted to Ski : "He's (MisterNSX) is thinking with his brain, not with his wallet." How Obama got into this is lost to me.

Regards,

Danny

I'm not sure I follow either. But to set the facts straight: I think with my brain, which has a direct bearing on my wallet. And that being said, (and particularly since I disfavor unions and international trade restrictions -- a la Obama), I'm a McCain guy.

 

[lowellhigh79]

I'm not sure I follow either. But to set the facts straight: I think with my brain, which has a direct bearing on my wallet. And that being said, (and particularly since I disfavor unions and international trade restrictions -- a la Obama), I'm a McCain guy.

Easy.

MisterNSX asked:"Can someone name any one activity that benefits people, the planet, animals, or the future of mankind that absolutely requires a belief in the supernatural?"

Ski responded: "Huh?Anyway, being from Bentonville, Arkansas you should be as pro McCain/Palin as it gets." (Political jump point here: atheist=liberal=democrat: way too many assumptions here)

MisterNSX reponded:"Somehow my religious question got changed to political. My question is serious, I've been asking it for years and I'm still waiting
for a legit response."

How Obama got into this discussion reflects how sensitized some on this forum have become.

Regards,

Danny

 

[Paul91]

No love for the Libertarians again. The mainstream is always shutting us out. Thanks a bunch, Vancehu.

+1. If only Ron Paul could make it through...:smile:

 

[nsxotic911]

+1. If only Ron Paul could make it through...:smile:

See my post on Ron Paul support..
http://mccainpalin2008.blogspot.com/2008/09/why-some-hopefully-most-ron-paul.html

And Lbertarian mag: http://www.reason.com/news/show/128695.html

Key Highlights:

But the simple fact of the matter is that Obama winning will do far more irreversible damage to the causes that I (and most libertarians) hold dear than any possible near-term good that might result from voting my conscience instead of voting pragmatically.

What we can’t easily undo is the creation of national make-work service programs. We cannot undo Obamas supreme court justice picks. We cannot roll back the huge strides towards European socialism that Obama will push for and get as president. Once Obama succeeds in taking guns away from people, we won’t get them back peacefully. We were 1 vote away from losing the 2nd amendment just a few months ago. Once a government agency is created or expanded, it’s very hard to kill. Once taxation goes up, it’s very hard to reign it back in.

 

[flaminio]

Two-party 'charade' must end, Ron Paul says

Republican Rep. Ron Paul of Texas called on voters to back a third-party candidate for president Wednesday, rejecting his party's nominee and offering equally harsh words for the Democratic candidate.

Paul told supporters at the National Press Club in Washington that he is not endorsing GOP nominee Sen. John McCain or Democratic nominee Sen. Barack Obama.

Instead, Paul will give his seal of approval to four candidates: Green Party nominee Cynthia McKinney, Libertarian Party nominee Bob Barr, independent candidate Ralph Nader and Constitution Party candidate Chuck Baldwin.

Paul said he's supporting the third-party candidates because the two major parties and media had "colluded" to avoid discussing issues and falsely presenting the difference between McCain and Obama as real.

Bottom line, if you truly think that there's any significant difference between Obama and McCain, you haven't been paying attention to Paul's message.

 

[transdzn]

+1. If only ron paul could make it through...:smile:

+1.

 

[nsxotic911]

I agree with Ron Paul a lot, but you have to realize that Obama is going to put the country much further back than McCain will....

Next time around, I'll seriously consider voting for Ron Paul. I would have gone for him thsi time except for the "get out of Iraq NOW come hell or high water." I didn't think that was responsible to let the country fall on it's knees... even though we screwed up and shouldn't have been in there in the first place.

A lot of what Ron Paul says makes a lot of sense..

 

[transdzn]

How will Obama put the country back (in a nut shell please)?

I agree with Ron Paul a lot, but you have to realize that Obama is going to put the country much further back than McCain will....

Next time around, I'll seriously consider voting for Ron Paul. I would have gone for him thsi time except for the "get out of Iraq NOW come hell or high water." I didn't think that was responsible to let the country fall on it's knees... even though we screwed up and shouldn't have been in there in the first place.

A lot of what Ron Paul says makes a lot of sense..

 

[flaminio]

I agree with Ron Paul a lot, but you have to realize that Obama is going to put the country much further back than McCain will....

What a ringing endorsement of our national politics. McCain will put our country back, but Obama will put it back further, so vote for McCain.

I'm not playing the "lesser of two evils" game anymore. I won't vote for a candidate just because they suck less.

The only way to stop the charade of the duopoly is to stop voting for them. And that doesn't mean staying home on election day. Paul's got it exactly right. It doesn't matter which of the other candidates you vote for -- pick a party that better matches your values than the duopoly, and vote for them. Yes, you're not going to win, but your vote will send a message to whoever does win that there is a substantial number of people who are dissatisfied with the status quo.

 

[NSXrunner]

Damn I got to this thread and poll late. Need to add a choice. "I am an independent and will vote for whomever I think will do a better job, regardless of affiliation." :redface: