Presidential Elelction poll

[BD]

Uh, no.

I'm pro-2nd amendment, anti-welfare and other entitlement programs, anti-national health care. I think most every federal agency should be disbanded, save for the military, the post office, and NASA (and maybe a couple others). I'd especially like to shut down the IRS. Sound like a Democrat?

As far as saying I'm wasting my vote: SCREW YOU ASSHOLE.

Cheers!

lol, You can screw me all you want, it ain't gonna happen, and yes, that vote will still be wasted even you have it your way:wink: I would like to thing that every Libertarians/Undecided voters will vote towards a candidate that will actually have a chance of winning, and pick the candidate that is closest to their believe!!!

But anyway, one point you made is completely dumb (sorry), spend money on the postal service. I worked for the USPS for 7 years and that is one agency that is completely out of control with wasting. I'm sure many others are like it too.

So you agree on issues that are focused on both sides. Have you ever heard of the term "moderate" conservative/democrats?

 

[jond]

She also thinks creationism should be taught as science alongside evolution.

Problem is they don't teach evolution in a scientific framework.

They teach it in a philosophical framework. I think just about all highschools do this which is 100% wrong. Evolution talks about what happened after matter/energy was created. After the first living thing came into being. It does NOT talk about how everything came to being, only what happened afterwords. Ask highschool grads what evolution teaches, and I guarantee you 90% will have it wrong.

 

[flaminio]

But anyway, one point you made is completely dumb (sorry), spend money on the postal service. I worked for the USPS for 7 years and that is one agency that is completely out of control with wasting.

Problem is that the Post Office is constitutionally mandated. To get rid of it would require amending the Constitution; not an easy process.

Another thing: the USPS is funded entirely through the sale of postage stamps and services; and not via taxes. In this regard, yes, it's wasteful, but it's mostly self-regulating.

So you agree on issues that are focused on both sides. Have you ever heard of the term "moderate" conservative/democrats?

Sure, but I ain't "moderate" about anything :biggrin:

 

[sahtt]

I'm pro-2nd amendment, anti-welfare and other entitlement programs, anti-national health care. I think most every federal agency should be disbanded, save for the military, the post office, and NASA (and maybe a couple others). I'd especially like to shut down the IRS. Sound like a Democrat?

Sounds like me. An economist by education, I can't stand the IRS. When I make a little chart regarding that one there is this huge DEAD WEIGHT LOSS that economists despise labeled the "IRS".

 

[eNeSeX 95T]

Mccains got my vote....


http://nraila.org/obama/

 

[heySkippy]

Problem is that the Post Office is constitutionally mandated. To get rid of it would require amending the Constitution; not an easy process.

There's the problem. Libertarians care about the Constitution and if things are constitutional but the major parties gave that silliness up long ago.

"Stop throwing the Constitution in my face," Bush screamed back. "It's just a goddamned piece of paper!"

 

[Sig]

There is no experiment that can be done or even proposed that would show creationism as false. Therefore, it is not science.

Then you are not really talking about a 'science' per se, but a concept. For example, you can replace 'creationism' with the words 'biology', chemistry', or 'physics' and the statment stays in tact. They are all true sciences, but no experiment will show them to be falsifiable as a science. All matter and energy was 'created' at one point and therefore creationism is very real and has some very cool science behind the forces involved... and is not specific to the need for a diety (although most will asscociate a diety with this moment). Similarly, all that surrounds us is composed of compounds, elements, etc.... and therefore chemistry as a science is not falsifiable either, but is most definitely a science.

As to the inefficiencies of govt institutions.... oh the stories I could tell. My business is dealing with the Federal Govt and it is just shameful how wasteful and inefficient the agencies are. It's ironic that we have an entire culture that condemns monoplies as evil and opportunistic, yet the numerous monopolies mandated by our government construct do more damage to our nation than any business ever could. Save for a few key beliefs, I am very sympathetic to Libertarian beliefs. I would love to create a new political party, but the Dems and Reps will continue to do all the can to crush any true rise of competition.... sounds like our government at work:wink:

 

[steveny]

Then you are not really talking about a 'science' per se, but a concept. For example, you can replace 'creationism' with the words 'biology', chemistry', or 'physics' and the statment stays in tact. They are all true sciences, but no experiment will show them to be falsifiable as a science. All matter and energy was 'created' at one point and therefore creationism is very real and has some very cool science behind the forces involved... and is not specific to the need for a diety (although most will asscociate a diety with this moment). Similarly, all that surrounds us is composed of compounds, elements, etc.... and therefore chemistry as a science is not falsifiable either, but is most definitely a science.

As to the inefficiencies of govt institutions.... oh the stories I could tell. My business is dealing with the Federal Govt and it is just shameful how wasteful and inefficient the agencies are. It's ironic that we have an entire culture that condemns monoplies as evil and opportunistic, yet the numerous monopolies mandated by our government construct do more damage to our nation than any business ever could. Save for a few key beliefs, I am very sympathetic to Libertarian beliefs. I would love to create a new political party, but the Dems and Reps will continue to do all the can to crush any true rise of competition.... sounds like our government at work:wink:

Yeah, it's just funny how they say they work so hard for the country when really they are out for themselves. The entire system has to be micro managed and real harsh penalties have to be put in place to curb the abuse of power and money.

 

[nsxotic911]

Yeah, it's just funny how they say they work so hard for the country when really they are out for themselves. The entire system has to be micro managed and real harsh penalties have to be put in place to curb the abuse of power and money.

PSST.. one of the very few politicians to hae done this, but Palin wasa ble to DECREASE property and sales tax in Alaska, DECREASE sales tax which is at ~2.x%.. , and go from a budget deficit to a budge surplus.

That's who I want to balance the US checkbook.

 

[flaminio]

PSST.. one of the very few politicians to hae done this, but Palin wasa ble to DECREASE property and sales tax in Alaska, DECREASE sales tax which is at ~2.x%.. , and go from a budget deficit to a budge surplus.

And of course the recent run up in the price of oil had nothing to do with this, right?

 

[Dtrigg]

And of course the recent run up in the price of oil had nothing to do with this, right?

I believe every man, woman and child received $1,500 per year, and she recently included an extra $2,000 due to her obtaining additional funds from oil companies.

 

[steveny]

PSST.. one of the very few politicians to hae done this, but Palin wasa ble to DECREASE property and sales tax in Alaska, DECREASE sales tax which is at ~2.x%.. , and go from a budget deficit to a budge surplus.

That's who I want to balance the US checkbook.

me too.

 

[flaminio]

lyes, that vote will still be wasted even you have it your way:wink: I would like to thing that every Libertarians/Undecided voters will vote towards a candidate that will actually have a chance of winning, and pick the candidate that is closest to their believe!!!

It should also be noted that we live in California, and it is 99.9% likely that California will go for Obama regardless of how I vote. If I lived in a swing state, I would think through my vote more rigorously, but since we're going to toss our electoral votes for Obama anyway, I might as well vote my conscience rather than trying to pick out the lesser of two evils.

And I still resent being excluded from your poll. This is an ongoing complaint from all third party members -- the D/R duocracy does everything in its power to keep us down and exclude us from the process. A simple fifth option "Other" would have been sufficient, but as it is there is no option in your poll for me to select.

 

[Dtrigg]

One one of the talk shows today that had a bumber sitcker from her home state...

Coldest State/ Hottest Governor :biggrin:

 

[sahtt]

It should also be noted that we live in California, and it is 99.9% likely that California will go for Obama regardless of how I vote. If I lived in a swing state, I would think through my vote more rigorously, but since we're going to toss our electoral votes for Obama anyway, I might as well vote my conscience rather than trying to pick out the lesser of two evils.

And I still resent being excluded from your poll. This is an ongoing complaint from all third party members -- the D/R duocracy does everything in its power to keep us down and exclude us from the process. A simple fifth option "Other" would have been sufficient, but as it is there is no option in your poll for me to select.

Don't let the system get you down. Every vote still counts. Many people still remember that Ron Paul got 10% in many areas, which shocked the media in many cases. Imagine if everyone*voted regardless if they thought their vote counted?

 

[lowellhigh79]

Fiscal Conservative/ Social Liberal. Grew up a Regan democrat, never voted for Clinton, voted for W the first time, was initially for the war in Iraq, then had an epiphany one day as I was watching Fox in the doctor's lounge. Inbedded news reporters in Bradley fighting vehicles SPEEDING toward Baghdad AS IF NOTHING was in there way. Knew right there and then I'd been lied to BIG TIME. Voting Obama/ Biden. Who is this Palin anyway? Does anyone truly believe/feel comfortable with her being possibly the leader of this country? McCain met her ONCE, and talked to her ONCE on the phone before giving her the spot just to shore up his conservative base and possibly win over some women. This is the same base that called a special session of Congress and had Bush cut his vacation short on behalf of Terri Schiavo. You can talk up all you want about Palin, but the thought of her as President (if something were ever to happen to McCain) just SCARES me. OBAMA 08

Regards,

Danny

 

[docjohn]

I like that Danny voting your feelings/beliefs and not with your wallet

 

[steveny]

I like that Danny voting your feelings/beliefs and not with your wallet

Ultimately everything boils down to money so if you don't consider money in your decision you might not like the ultimate outcome of your decision.

Someone with 50 bucks in their pocket might feel or believe they would like to have steak tonight but by Friday they are going to be pretty damn hungry unless of course they can count on someone else to buy dinner for the rest of the week. Often times the person footing the bill for the rest of the week didn't have steak the first night.

 

[fullracehonda]

i feel more comfortable with palin in office than i would with obama or biden, because palin shares alot of my views so i know we would be taken care of.



im not rich, and i will most likely never see 25k or 600k+ a year, but i find the idea of taxing the "rich" up to 1 out of 4 dollars they make is ridiculous, how un american is that? make more, they tax you a sh*t load to do thier hippy BS agenda with, plus i feel strongly about having a pro-gun president. not gun control nazi obama

 

[nsxotic911]

Let me say that the closer you look at Palin's resume, and history when it comes to female leaders, the more you realize that not only could she make an excelletn CIF, but SHE WILL make a excellent CIF whether opportunistically, or in 4 to 8 years. I fully expect her to be our Commander In Chief someday and will be able to sleep better than knowing it's Obama or Biden.

Here's why:
-Most female P's have been excellent Presidents and CIF. Remember Golda Meir? She kicked ass, Palin will do the same if she needs to with a beauty pagent smile
-She has executive experience making tough decisions daily. Not only that, she has made decisions that have IMPROVED Alaska.
--Fought corruption. She's hated by the Republicans up there. What about Obama? - he's their Messiah. Bipartisanship work, reach across the aisle, unh huhn, my ass....
--Deficit to Surplus (as previously mentioned..), lowered taxes etc...
-She puts her family, her country, her job first.
-She has skin in the international game. She has a son in Iraq, Bush never served, Obama did not, Biden cheated three times to get himself out of gong to Vietname ...I can probably count on my hands how many Congressmen have children in the military - McCain & Palin are two of them. Admidetly, we would have been much better off if McCain was President in 2000, now it's a chance to regain that.
-Every position she has taken, from wife, mother, PTA, mayor, executive, Governor, she has SHATTERED those expectations despite going up against the "not enough experience" argument..
-She admits there are those that are smarter then her - and she listens to them.
-She left a EXECUTIVE position of $125,000 / year job (not everyone here makes that much....and take into account cost of living too) to run for Governor - knowing that she could lose, and then what? Apply again.
-She is running for VP, and then for President, to serve the country. Obama is running for an ego.. to use other peoples money to pay for social programs, meanwhile donating betwwen 1%-6% to charity. Look it up, he donated $1400 / $250,000 to charity (and I think it was the church..) That's hypocrisy and drives me mad. I believe Hillary cares b/c she gave 30%, Obama, 1-6% making between 250K - 1 million / year... yeah, right. I've given more then that in a week and my income doesn't even compare...

Her resume of accomplishments vs Obama's:
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Gulianni says it really well about Obama vs Palin and McCain, :briggin:
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2008/08/31/ftn/main4401610.shtml?source=mostpop_story

 

[BD]

It should also be noted that we live in California, and it is 99.9% likely that California will go for Obama regardless of how I vote. If I lived in a swing state, I would think through my vote more rigorously, but since we're going to toss our electoral votes for Obama anyway, I might as well vote my conscience rather than trying to pick out the lesser of two evils.

And I still resent being excluded from your poll. This is an ongoing complaint from all third party members -- the D/R duocracy does everything in its power to keep us down and exclude us from the process. A simple fifth option "Other" would have been sufficient, but as it is there is no option in your poll for me to select.

That is the problem you have, this is a NATIONAL POLL, NOT CALIFORNIA

Therefore, according to you, since you believe there is no chance what so ever for McCain in California - Who may win this general election, you should toss away your vote to a guy that will not even see the light of days in a political arena?

Two legitimate candidate, one wanna be.... You can't take a candidate seriously unless this candidate is from a party that have a national strong hold with candidate's name on the ballots of every states.

Sorry, I don't buy that!!!

 

[fullracehonda]

quick edit, i meant 250k$ not 25k$ :tongue:

lol

 

[BD]

Fiscal Conservative/ Social Liberal. Grew up a Regan democrat, never voted for Clinton, voted for W the first time, was initially for the war in Iraq, then had an epiphany one day as I was watching Fox in the doctor's lounge. Inbedded news reporters in Bradley fighting vehicles SPEEDING toward Baghdad AS IF NOTHING was in there way. Knew right there and then I'd been lied to BIG TIME. Voting Obama/ Biden. Who is this Palin anyway? Does anyone truly believe/feel comfortable with her being possibly the leader of this country? McCain met her ONCE, and talked to her ONCE on the phone before giving her the spot just to shore up his conservative base and possibly win over some women. This is the same base that called a special session of Congress and had Bush cut his vacation short on behalf of Terri Schiavo. You can talk up all you want about Palin, but the thought of her as President (if something were ever to happen to McCain) just SCARES me. OBAMA 08

Regards,

Danny

Danny, long time no see, how are you doing?

I like to think that Presidential candidate does not need to know his selection on Vise presidential candidate personally (friends/relative/etc). If this person can help swing votes, AND has the reputation for being a good leader, it should not matter. The purpose is to win the election, not to sweet talk the world. There is a good reason why Vise Presidential candidate is NOT elected by the People. Look at our retired Visa Presidents from the last 20/30 or so years, on the only one that was qualified and became a president was old man Bush.

Which of the following two question matter the most when choosing our next president?

Does Obama out qualify McCain?
or
Does Obama out quailfy Palin?

I my opinion, Obama does not out qualify either one of them. The guy was on the senate floor for barely a year, did not accomplish any thing before running around pretend his our leader. INCLUDING an appologetic speech in Germany??? What was that all about?

What happen if some thing happen to Obama? You think Bidan will be a good president?

 

[lowellhigh79]

The issue of money shapes everyone's decision. No doubt I paid more taxes under Clinton than under Bush yet I yearn for those years in retrospect. A budget surplus, a decreasing deficit and respect abroad are just a few of the reasons that come to mind. Also, stop using 911 as a excuse for the failings of the Bush administration with a Republican congress vs. Clinton with essentially the same Republican congress. Taking Palin over Obama just because she shares your political views is simply childish. Take ANY job in America, let alone THE MOST IMPORTANT ONE and honestly ask yourself who could do a better job. On a lesser scale, would you want your auto mechanic/ financial planner/ doctor/ lawyer/ cook/ platoon leader/ scientist/ (fill in) to be the most capable, or just someone who shares your political views and you would like to have a beer with.

Regards,

Danny

 

[fullracehonda]

taking palin as a vp is childish because she shares alot of the same views i do?


if thats childish than what is mature voting? i would be more comfortable with her expierience of DOING STUFF, than obama's NOT DOING STUFF