Re: Everybody's on the bandwagon
And that's with the rain as the wild card
And that's with the rain as the wild card
F1 2009 megathread
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Re: not quite. . .
Indeed, undeniable. I don't think that statement can be controverted or argued against. As a Honda fan, it's humiliating.
But Ferrari were awful for 15+ years before they had their incredible success.
Indeed, undeniable. I don't think that statement can be controverted or argued against. As a Honda fan, it's humiliating.
But Ferrari were awful for 15+ years before they had their incredible success.
http://www.justin.tv/dragons_bar
Friday practice is on right now.
Jenson on pole 1:36.430
Massa
Raikkonen
Hamilton
Webber
Vettel
Rosberg
Barichello
Friday practice is on right now.
Jenson on pole 1:36.430
Massa
Raikkonen
Hamilton
Webber
Vettel
Rosberg
Barichello
See post #300, PostRepeater.
haha, oops, I actually wanted to link www.justin.tv/dimoni. It's a higher quality broadcast than Dragons Bar, not much higher, but more clear.
1. Rosberg
2. Nakajima
3. Button
4. Barichello
5. Massa
6. Raikkonen
7. Hamilton
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20. Kovalainen
Kimi's Ferrari deployed it's extinguishers. Not sure if it caught on fire, but halon was discharged.
Remember what I said earlier?
"Under the safety car, from what I understand, no one should over take regardless the reason unless the car in the front is at a dead stop, or off the track. Lewis' car was not in both cases. We have all seen F1 cars under safety car slow down than speed up with some zig zag to warm up the tires."
The fact that FIA did not have a video footage, and from what I have read from different sites, McLaren did not slow down, or to the point that Lewis might be having problems. Trulli did not have to pass him until he ABSOLUTELY sure the car in the front is going be parked.
What ever Lewis Hamilton did after the race, is a separate issue. Did Lewis made the complaint or his manager?
Hamilton: The Toyota went off in a line at the second corner, ..., is this OK?
McLaren pitwall: Understood, Lewis. We'll confirm and get back to you.
Hamilton: He was off the track. He went wide.
McLaren pitwall: Lewis, you need to allow the Toyota through. Allow the Toyota through now.
Hamilton: Okay.
Hamilton: He's slowed right down in front of me.
McLaren pitwall: OK, Lewis. Stay ahead for the time being. Stay ahead. We will get back to you. We are talking to Charlie.
Hamilton: I let him past already.
McLaren pitwall: Okay, Lewis. That's fine. That's fine. Hold position. Hold position.
Hamilton: Tell Charlie I already overtook him. I just let him past.
McLaren pitwall: I understand Lewis. We are checking. Now can we go to yellow G 5, yellow Golf 5.
Hamilton: I don't have to let him past I should be able to take that position back, if he made a mistake.
McLaren pitwall: Yes, we understand Lewis. Let's just do it by the book. We are asking Charlie now. You are in P4. If you hold this position. Just keep it together.
McLaren pitwall: OK Lewis, your KERS is full, your KERS is full. Just be aware. You can go back to black F2, black Foxtrot 2.
Hamilton: Any news from Charlie whether I can take it back or not.
McLaren pitwall: Still waiting on a response Lewis, still waiting.
McLaren pitwall: Lewis, work on your brakes please. Front brakes are cold.
McLaren pitwall: If we are able to use one KERS that would be good. If you deploy KERS please do so now.
McLaren pitwall: OK, Lewis, this is the last lap of the race. At the end of the lap the safety car will come in, you just proceed over the line without overtaking, without overtaking. We are looking into the Trulli thing, but just hold position.
Just came across this article after my other post.
WHY PF1 IS STILL USING THE WORD 'ALLEGEDLY'
Thursday 2nd April 2009
The FIA have once again played with F1's results, meaning to the average fan there is not point in watching the race - you can rather tune in a week later to find what result the FIA have chosen...
* This is a disaster for the image of the sport - if not the sport itself.
As a described sport, F1 is an activity that should be won and lost in a sporting arena. A courtroom is not part of that arena and if the men in suits are to rewrite the results of a sporting occasion then it should only be as a last resort, with reluctance and in the most extreme of circumstances.
The problem F1 has in maintaining its claim to still be regarded as a sport is that, having set the tone for interference and revision on Saturday night in Melbourne when both Toyotas were excluded from qualifying, two separate changes to Sunday's result have since been forthcoming. And a third may yet follow with a FIA hearing due on April 14 to consider the legality of 'The Diffuser Three'.
What sort of sport can this claim to be? F1 seems intent on falling over a cliff into deep and dark waters.
* PF1 made a similar observation when Hamilton was excluded from the Belgian GP on the opinion of three stewards. It also lamented the contempt with which F1 supporters had been treated by a three-paragraph statement that the FIA deemed sufficient for the task of both informing and explaining their ruling.
Seven months later, nothing's changed, nothing's been learnt.
Once again, F1 supporters are floundering in the dark, feeding on pathetic scraps. The latest missive from the stewards' room tells us of disqualification, cites the relevant clause of the rulebook and claims the crime of 'misleading evidence'. But nothing else. What this misleading evidence is (or was) remains a great and unacceptable unknown. Read closely, the stewards' statement is vague on whether it was Hamilton or McLaren (or both) who provided the misleading evidence.
If the FIA, through their race stewards, are to tamper retrospectively with race results then they have a duty, as custodians off the sport, to provide full explanations; and as followers of the sport, F1 fans have a right to expect as much.
Instead, we're still as much as in the dark as we were in Spa last year. In the absence of clarity, a dark cloud hangs over F1 and a febrile atmosphere in which conjecture, paranoia and slander can pervade has been allowed to fester.
* "The Stewards having considered the new elements presented to them from the 2009 Australian Formula One Grand Prix, consider that driver No 1 Lewis Hamilton and the competitor Vodafone McLaren Mercedes acted in a manner prejudicial to the conduct of the event by providing evidence deliberately misleading to the Stewards at the hearing on Sunday 29th March 2009, a breach of Article 151c of the International Sporting Code."
In the absence of further information, the invetable reading of that statement will be the conclusion that the FIA have adjudged Hamilton and/or McLaren to be akin to a liar. And that's putting it mildly.
Even beyond the obvious implications of that judgement from a sporting perspective, the repercussions of such a ruling are massive. To question a man's integrity is one thing; to damn it is quite another. This story will not end here. Given the damage this ruling will apply to Hamilton's reputation both as a sportsman and a man, it can not end here.
If the FIA is willing to make such a judgement then it is beholden upon them to permit Hamilton an attempt to clear his name (if this is what he chooses to do). Even if they do not, they may have no choice but to defend their ruling in another type of court room.
* And it is for that reason that the FIA have no option but to issue full transcripts and recordings of their two hearings as well as explain, definitively, what exactly persuaded them to conclude that Hamilton and/or McLaren had provided misleading evidence.
As far as PF1 is concerned, and we're not an especially righteous website, Hamilton and McLaren have been found guilty of allegedly providing misleading evidence. Until evidence is provided that proves the FIA's case, anything less would break one of the most fundamental principles in law.
"Under the safety car, from what I understand, no one should over take regardless the reason unless the car in the front is at a dead stop, or off the track. Lewis' car was not in both cases. We have all seen F1 cars under safety car slow down than speed up with some zig zag to warm up the tires."
The fact that FIA did not have a video footage, and from what I have read from different sites, McLaren did not slow down, or to the point that Lewis might be having problems. Trulli did not have to pass him until he ABSOLUTELY sure the car in the front is going be parked.
What ever Lewis Hamilton did after the race, is a separate issue. Did Lewis made the complaint or his manager?
Hamilton: The Toyota went off in a line at the second corner, ..., is this OK?
McLaren pitwall: Understood, Lewis. We'll confirm and get back to you.
Hamilton: He was off the track. He went wide.
McLaren pitwall: Lewis, you need to allow the Toyota through. Allow the Toyota through now.
Hamilton: Okay.
Hamilton: He's slowed right down in front of me.
McLaren pitwall: OK, Lewis. Stay ahead for the time being. Stay ahead. We will get back to you. We are talking to Charlie.
Hamilton: I let him past already.
McLaren pitwall: Okay, Lewis. That's fine. That's fine. Hold position. Hold position.
Hamilton: Tell Charlie I already overtook him. I just let him past.
McLaren pitwall: I understand Lewis. We are checking. Now can we go to yellow G 5, yellow Golf 5.
Hamilton: I don't have to let him past I should be able to take that position back, if he made a mistake.
McLaren pitwall: Yes, we understand Lewis. Let's just do it by the book. We are asking Charlie now. You are in P4. If you hold this position. Just keep it together.
McLaren pitwall: OK Lewis, your KERS is full, your KERS is full. Just be aware. You can go back to black F2, black Foxtrot 2.
Hamilton: Any news from Charlie whether I can take it back or not.
McLaren pitwall: Still waiting on a response Lewis, still waiting.
McLaren pitwall: Lewis, work on your brakes please. Front brakes are cold.
McLaren pitwall: If we are able to use one KERS that would be good. If you deploy KERS please do so now.
McLaren pitwall: OK, Lewis, this is the last lap of the race. At the end of the lap the safety car will come in, you just proceed over the line without overtaking, without overtaking. We are looking into the Trulli thing, but just hold position.
Just came across this article after my other post.
WHY PF1 IS STILL USING THE WORD 'ALLEGEDLY'
Thursday 2nd April 2009
The FIA have once again played with F1's results, meaning to the average fan there is not point in watching the race - you can rather tune in a week later to find what result the FIA have chosen...
* This is a disaster for the image of the sport - if not the sport itself.
As a described sport, F1 is an activity that should be won and lost in a sporting arena. A courtroom is not part of that arena and if the men in suits are to rewrite the results of a sporting occasion then it should only be as a last resort, with reluctance and in the most extreme of circumstances.
The problem F1 has in maintaining its claim to still be regarded as a sport is that, having set the tone for interference and revision on Saturday night in Melbourne when both Toyotas were excluded from qualifying, two separate changes to Sunday's result have since been forthcoming. And a third may yet follow with a FIA hearing due on April 14 to consider the legality of 'The Diffuser Three'.
What sort of sport can this claim to be? F1 seems intent on falling over a cliff into deep and dark waters.
* PF1 made a similar observation when Hamilton was excluded from the Belgian GP on the opinion of three stewards. It also lamented the contempt with which F1 supporters had been treated by a three-paragraph statement that the FIA deemed sufficient for the task of both informing and explaining their ruling.
Seven months later, nothing's changed, nothing's been learnt.
Once again, F1 supporters are floundering in the dark, feeding on pathetic scraps. The latest missive from the stewards' room tells us of disqualification, cites the relevant clause of the rulebook and claims the crime of 'misleading evidence'. But nothing else. What this misleading evidence is (or was) remains a great and unacceptable unknown. Read closely, the stewards' statement is vague on whether it was Hamilton or McLaren (or both) who provided the misleading evidence.
If the FIA, through their race stewards, are to tamper retrospectively with race results then they have a duty, as custodians off the sport, to provide full explanations; and as followers of the sport, F1 fans have a right to expect as much.
Instead, we're still as much as in the dark as we were in Spa last year. In the absence of clarity, a dark cloud hangs over F1 and a febrile atmosphere in which conjecture, paranoia and slander can pervade has been allowed to fester.
* "The Stewards having considered the new elements presented to them from the 2009 Australian Formula One Grand Prix, consider that driver No 1 Lewis Hamilton and the competitor Vodafone McLaren Mercedes acted in a manner prejudicial to the conduct of the event by providing evidence deliberately misleading to the Stewards at the hearing on Sunday 29th March 2009, a breach of Article 151c of the International Sporting Code."
In the absence of further information, the invetable reading of that statement will be the conclusion that the FIA have adjudged Hamilton and/or McLaren to be akin to a liar. And that's putting it mildly.
Even beyond the obvious implications of that judgement from a sporting perspective, the repercussions of such a ruling are massive. To question a man's integrity is one thing; to damn it is quite another. This story will not end here. Given the damage this ruling will apply to Hamilton's reputation both as a sportsman and a man, it can not end here.
If the FIA is willing to make such a judgement then it is beholden upon them to permit Hamilton an attempt to clear his name (if this is what he chooses to do). Even if they do not, they may have no choice but to defend their ruling in another type of court room.
* And it is for that reason that the FIA have no option but to issue full transcripts and recordings of their two hearings as well as explain, definitively, what exactly persuaded them to conclude that Hamilton and/or McLaren had provided misleading evidence.
As far as PF1 is concerned, and we're not an especially righteous website, Hamilton and McLaren have been found guilty of allegedly providing misleading evidence. Until evidence is provided that proves the FIA's case, anything less would break one of the most fundamental principles in law.
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Vance, in the radio transmission between Hamilton and the team, it was clearly stated for Lewis to let Jarno Trulli pass and regain position after he went off the track.Lewis then says Jarno has slowed down, so they instruct him to stay ahead for the time being. Hamilton is told to hold position until they clarify the situation. Hamilton then says he has already let Trulli pass.
The problem is that when the stewards asked Lewis/McLaren if they let Jarno Trulli pass, they said no, that Lewis had not slowed down. They clearly lied, which in turn caused the stewards to hand Trulli an unfair and undeserved penalty.
Here's a transcript of the communication between Hamilton and team.
Jarno Trulli was being honest when he said that it appeared that Lewis Hamilton was slowing down and moving off the race line to a side. He thought Lewis was experiencing some sort of mechanical trouble, hence why you passed him and regained position. He then gets punished for this.
Had Hambone 'fessed up that he did indeed let Jarno pass to regain position, none of this would have happened. Maybe he would have kept 3rd and Jarno would have gotten 4th. But I guess that 1 extra point was worth it for him to lie, and it backfired on them.
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You see, that's the problem. Did Lewis filed the complaint or his manager? Did they have a transcript of their conversation with the Stewart?
It doesn't matter who filed the complaint. He still lied, there's no way around it.
For what it's worth, Toyota did not file an appeal against the decision on Trulli. I don't know who filed a complaint against Hamilton/McLaren, but they obviously had evidence for an investigation to be opened. Not only that, but Hambone was quoted by several different sources in the media saying he had let Trulli pass right after the race, but later lied to the stewards.
In an interview today, Hamilton admitted that he did lie, apologized and blamed McLaren sporting director Dave Ryan for instructing him to lie to the stewards. McLaren has apparently suspended Dave Ryan for this incident. McLaren has not protested the penalty, suspended its sporting director and Hamilton has admitted the lie and apologized - it is pretty clear that the FIA was correct in its assessment of the situation.
The FIA is now considering additional sanctions against McLaren for this lying incident. As Nixon, Martha and others have found out the hard way, the punishment for the coverup can be much more costly than the punishment for the original infraction.
Re: not quite. . .
I agree,after R.Brown came in Honda they decided to abandoned 2008.championship and pass on new project.It mean that from end of 2007.they
work on that car and here are results.My opinion is that soon at first Ferrari then others will be closer to Brown's.
I agree,after R.Brown came in Honda they decided to abandoned 2008.championship and pass on new project.It mean that from end of 2007.they
work on that car and here are results.My opinion is that soon at first Ferrari then others will be closer to Brown's.
Just read more stuff about it and McLaren suspended the race engineer.
As TC has indicated, the penalty lies with cover up instead of what really happen.
There is a fine line between how an incident was presented. I still think FIA went over board simply because Trulli was not supposed to pass.
Vance, Trulli passed because Hamilton slowed down and moved to the side. Trulli thought Hamilton was having mechanical problems. Are you saying Trulli should have slowed down behind Hamilton? What if Hamilton had indeed broken down, he's not allowed to pass? even under a Safety Car condition? every driver should pull over behind the broken car and not pass because the Safety Car is deployed and just sit on the side of the track behind the broken car?
Yes, because Trulli not supposed to pass unless he is sure the car in the front is dead - either completely stopped being signaled to pass. The reason is because they are all behind safety car, they can not pass. So Hamilton is not penalized by the passing, but rather the statement.
If you read between the line, as I have interpreted, McLaren issued an apology because they felt the danger of being unfairly punished again. They rather take what they got over what they could get if they resist. I can't remember there was an public apology issued by a driver or a team like the way this was done. McLaren probably don't want another huge fine like they had couple of years ago.
That is why if you read up on the transcript, you will see both drivers are confused. Trust me on this one, Trulli is no saint, neither is Hamilton.
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My boy JB on pole again! RB got a 5car grid penalty for a gearbox change. Supposedly this is the only weak point on the car??
Lets wish them both luck in the race. My alarm will be set!!!
Lets wish them both luck in the race. My alarm will be set!!!
Re: Memorable quote
A tweet from James Allen
Looks like Vettel is going to make an opening stint charge: Starting weights are: (starting position after penalties assessed in brackets):
Sebastian Vettel Red Bull Racing-Renault 647.0kg (13th)
Adrian Sutil Force India-Ferrari 655.5kg (19th)
Nico Rosberg Williams-Toyota 656.0kg (4th)
Mark Webber Red Bull Racing-Renault 656.0kg (5th)
Jarno Trulli Toyota 656.5kg (2nd)
Timo Glock Toyota 656.5kg (3rd)
Jenson Button Brawn GP-Mercedes 660.0kg (1st)
Kimi Raikkonen Ferrari 662.5kg (7th)
Robert Kubica BMW-Sauber 663.0kg (6th)
Rubens Barrichello Brawn GP-Mercedes 664.5kg (8th)
Sébastien Bourdais Scuderia Toro Rosso-Ferrari 670.5kg (15th)
Fernando Alonso Renault 680.5kg (9th)
Giancarlo Fisichella Force India-Ferrari 680.5kg (18th)
Nelsinho Piquet Renault 681.9kg (17th)
Kazuki Nakajima Williams-Toyota 683.4kg (11th)
Sébastien Buemi Scuderia Toro Rosso-Ferrari 686.5kg (20th)
Lewis Hamilton McLaren-Mercedes 688.0kg (12th)
Heikki Kovalainen McLaren-Mercedes 688.9kg (14th)
Felipe Massa Ferrari 689.5kg (16th)
Nick Heidfeld BMW-Sauber 692.0kg (10th)
A tweet from James Allen
Looks like Vettel is going to make an opening stint charge: Starting weights are: (starting position after penalties assessed in brackets):
Sebastian Vettel Red Bull Racing-Renault 647.0kg (13th)
Adrian Sutil Force India-Ferrari 655.5kg (19th)
Nico Rosberg Williams-Toyota 656.0kg (4th)
Mark Webber Red Bull Racing-Renault 656.0kg (5th)
Jarno Trulli Toyota 656.5kg (2nd)
Timo Glock Toyota 656.5kg (3rd)
Jenson Button Brawn GP-Mercedes 660.0kg (1st)
Kimi Raikkonen Ferrari 662.5kg (7th)
Robert Kubica BMW-Sauber 663.0kg (6th)
Rubens Barrichello Brawn GP-Mercedes 664.5kg (8th)
Sébastien Bourdais Scuderia Toro Rosso-Ferrari 670.5kg (15th)
Fernando Alonso Renault 680.5kg (9th)
Giancarlo Fisichella Force India-Ferrari 680.5kg (18th)
Nelsinho Piquet Renault 681.9kg (17th)
Kazuki Nakajima Williams-Toyota 683.4kg (11th)
Sébastien Buemi Scuderia Toro Rosso-Ferrari 686.5kg (20th)
Lewis Hamilton McLaren-Mercedes 688.0kg (12th)
Heikki Kovalainen McLaren-Mercedes 688.9kg (14th)
Felipe Massa Ferrari 689.5kg (16th)
Nick Heidfeld BMW-Sauber 692.0kg (10th)
I stayed up for the race last weekend, so I don't think I will be getting up early for this one. Let the DVR catch it and watch it over lunch.
I'm really looking forward to Vettel's first stint and the fact that he is hoping for rain. Should be fun to watch.
Re: Memorable quote
And in order....
Jenson Button Brawn GP-Mercedes 660.0kg (1st)
Jarno Trulli Toyota 656.5kg (2nd)
Timo Glock Toyota 656.5kg (3rd)
Nico Rosberg Williams-Toyota 656.0kg (4th)
Mark Webber Red Bull Racing-Renault 656.0kg (5th)
Robert Kubica BMW-Sauber 663.0kg (6th)
Kimi Raikkonen Ferrari 662.5kg (7th)
Rubens Barrichello Brawn GP-Mercedes 664.5kg (8th)
Fernando Alonso Renault 680.5kg (9th)
Nick Heidfeld BMW-Sauber 692.0kg (10th)
Kazuki Nakajima Williams-Toyota 683.4kg (11th)
Lewis Hamilton McLaren-Mercedes 688.0kg (12th)
Sebastian Vettel Red Bull Racing-Renault 647.0kg (13th)
Heikki Kovalainen McLaren-Mercedes 688.9kg (14th)
Sébastien Bourdais Scuderia Toro Rosso-Ferrari 670.5kg (15th)
Felipe Massa Ferrari 689.5kg (16th)
Nelsinho Piquet Renault 681.9kg (17th)
Giancarlo Fisichella Force India-Ferrari 680.5kg (18th)
Adrian Sutil Force India-Ferrari 655.5kg (19th)
Sébastien Buemi Scuderia Toro Rosso-Ferrari 686.5kg (20th)
Quite interesting now we have published weights for the starting line up.
I expect Vettel running 13th and lightest on the grid to make an impressive start....will be interesting to see if and how well he passes Hamilton who is right in front of him and is 41 Kg's heavier....Both have KERS I believe...
And in order....
Jenson Button Brawn GP-Mercedes 660.0kg (1st)
Jarno Trulli Toyota 656.5kg (2nd)
Timo Glock Toyota 656.5kg (3rd)
Nico Rosberg Williams-Toyota 656.0kg (4th)
Mark Webber Red Bull Racing-Renault 656.0kg (5th)
Robert Kubica BMW-Sauber 663.0kg (6th)
Kimi Raikkonen Ferrari 662.5kg (7th)
Rubens Barrichello Brawn GP-Mercedes 664.5kg (8th)
Fernando Alonso Renault 680.5kg (9th)
Nick Heidfeld BMW-Sauber 692.0kg (10th)
Kazuki Nakajima Williams-Toyota 683.4kg (11th)
Lewis Hamilton McLaren-Mercedes 688.0kg (12th)
Sebastian Vettel Red Bull Racing-Renault 647.0kg (13th)
Heikki Kovalainen McLaren-Mercedes 688.9kg (14th)
Sébastien Bourdais Scuderia Toro Rosso-Ferrari 670.5kg (15th)
Felipe Massa Ferrari 689.5kg (16th)
Nelsinho Piquet Renault 681.9kg (17th)
Giancarlo Fisichella Force India-Ferrari 680.5kg (18th)
Adrian Sutil Force India-Ferrari 655.5kg (19th)
Sébastien Buemi Scuderia Toro Rosso-Ferrari 686.5kg (20th)
Quite interesting now we have published weights for the starting line up.
I expect Vettel running 13th and lightest on the grid to make an impressive start....will be interesting to see if and how well he passes Hamilton who is right in front of him and is 41 Kg's heavier....Both have KERS I believe...
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Re: KERS, weather questions
and sooner or later, there's gonna be rain. That should be interesting since they have no practice in the wet on this track.
Agreed, it appears that the non-KERS fast cars will likely have their hands full trying to get around the KERS cars; like Rubens trying to pass Kimi and Vettel with the Hamster, as noted. But, is Kimi going to have KERS? His car did not have it displayed in Q. And with the overheating battery problem he had earlier in the weekend, the pundits were speculating that it wasn't installed or hooked up for Q.
and sooner or later, there's gonna be rain. That should be interesting since they have no practice in the wet on this track.
Re: KERS, weather questions
Stefano Dominicali said Kimi Raikkonen will be running KERS this weekend.
Stefano Dominicali said Kimi Raikkonen will be running KERS this weekend.
Even with the Safety Car deployed, these cars are still traveling at a fast pace. For all I know, these cars are still doing 100 mph. Even the Safety Car is barely able to keep a safe pace for the cars. Slowing down only causes an unnecessary hazard.
Hamilton slowed down and moved off to the side of the race line. Any slowing down will be significant and will appear that a car is having mechanical problems, even under a SC condition. It's silly to expect a car to be fully stopped before you can overtake. If we were to use that logic, then Hamilton should have not passed Trulli when he went off the track since he was still moving and didn't come to a complete stop. He should have slowed down/stopped and waited for Trulli to regain his positiion. I mean, they were under a SC condition, right?
For Trulli to have slowed down with Hamilton would only put him and other cars in danger. Now you have a driver(Hamilton) crawling around the track because he's expecting Trulli to pass. Trulli has slowed down because he doesn't want to pass under the SC. Now we have the whole grid slowing down to a crawl because of these two are not sure what to do. Tire temperatures are going down because they have slowed down so much. Now everyone is sliding off the track because they cannot maintain tire temperature.
See where I'm going with this.
So McLaren issued an apology to avoid further punishment/fines? not because they lied and did something wrong, like get another driver unfairly punished? Dave Ryan lied to the stewards, and so did Hamilton. Even if Hamilton was instructed to lie, he still chose to do it.
How do you figure Trulli is no saint? The radio transmission clearly show he was being honest when he said he thought Hamilton was experiencing mechanical problems, that he had slowed down and moved off the racing line. Hambone's radio transmission proves this, when he said he had slowed down and let Trulli pass by.
FIA questions Dave Ryan and Hamilton about the pass, and they lie about it, and get punished. What's so hard to understand about that?
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