F1 2009 megathread

Honda Congratulates Brawn GP:

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ponyboy said:
honda congratulates brawn gp:

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rofl!!!
 
That is way too funny!!!!
 
Re: give it a rest, puhleazeee!

Osiris_x11 said:
Respectfully, I have to disagree w/ you AND just about everyone else who says the testing/qualifying/Aus'-F1_GP results would've been the same w/ a Honda powered car... :rolleyes:

As Brawn stated, keeping their own transmission facilitated the fitment/modality of the MB engine near-seamlessly.

Also, the #1 achilles of the past BAR/BAT & Honda teams was largely their reliability & overall mediocre pace (in most instances), in recent/later campaigns. Good lord almighty, have you seen the results of the past ~2 seasons?!? :eek:

Being an engine-supplier is one thing, being a turn-key constructor is another. . .

This is a great thread w/ awesome insights. Let's put unrealistic/illogical nostalgia to the side in terms of what could've/should've/would've happened if Honda had stayed. The team was a near cluster-fvck from the inside-out mired in bureaucracy & stubbornness as of late. A fresh, clean start was what was needed. Period. Full-stop. The end. . .

(only disappointment I have w/ Honda leaving was that they took ALL the K.E.R.S. R&D/tech' w/ them, which might prove to be fateful in certain situations/scenarios as the season progresses)
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If you're saying Honda wouldn't be performing similarly as BrawnGP is right now, then I respectfully disagree with you. Nobody knows how well Honda would be faring had they stayed in the game. This is their(Honda's) aero package after all, and they had just as long to develop their engine. If the chassis's aero is this much improved, imagine how much better their engine would have been.
 
I wish I could find the Brawn drivers' opinions on the Merc engines. They reported more torque at low RPM, and greater driveability overall - they may just be saying positive things because Merc saved their bacon, but their comments seemed sincere.

Wouldn't surprise me, as Honda engines are high rpm, high hp design usually. Who cares? They are kickin some but, and all of last year feeling bad for RB & JB was worth it to see their faces on Sunday!
 
the Mercedez benz engine feels torquier than the 2008 honda engine because due to the new rules, all engines will have a redline cut down to 18,000 rpm from 19,000 rpm last year. i suppose all the new engines are retuned to maximize the benifit of increased torque that comes with lower redline.

i think that Honda would have done the same to their engine.

+ i think that the overall lower downforce and drag levels relative to last year would contribute to make the car feel faster in the straights.

the point here: its not the engine that turned the fortunes of the BGP team. its the greatly developed chassis, suspension, aero package made by Honda and lead managed by one of the greatest minds in F1 history. Ross Brawn.

proof to my point: look at the cars with the same Merc engine, BGP has way better pace compared to Mclaren and force india! yet they have the same engine.
 
Some interesting notables:

- Team boss Ross Brawn admits:
"This [the gearbox] is currently our Achilles heel."
The reason lies in the engine change.
With the Honda engine, the gearbox oil supply was driven from Honda engine. With the Mercedes V8 they now have to do that separately.
The reconstruction showed its shortcomings on the test track after first use. Various parts of the gearbox were not sufficiently lubricated.
Before Melbourne the engineers modified the oil system again.
"We're there but not over the hill," Ross Brawn regretted after the double victory in Melbourne.
"There remains a residual risk, which worries us."

- "And while Brawn is soon expected to introduce a new sidepod design which may add another three-tenths of a second to their pace, they cannot expect to stay ahead of the game indefinitely."

- the Virgin sponsorship was 250k for the first two races until a more permanent sponsorship can be put into place. SportsPro estimated they received a total of 10.428 million US dollars worth of marketing value from it.
 
Re: Hey Rebel, seen this?

swbatte said:
That completely sucks for JB & RB! Those guys stuck with it through thick and thin and are being punished for their loyalty. Clearly they both have championship potential. This just isn't cool.
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Quoted for later mockery. ;)
 
And I swore I wouldn't be a suckah this year.

Good. Sean happy again.:biggrin:
 
swbatte said:
And I swore I wouldn't be a suckah this year.

Good. Sean happy again.:biggrin:
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Re: A new challenge

Rain. Heavy. How will Brawn do? How will all the new designs do?

http://news.bbc.co.uk/weather/forecast/153

Well, hopefully it will be consistently wet enough in practice to get something figured out. As my race group has been saying during the last 2 race weekends: "Real men love rain" :rolleyes: Yeah, right.

On another note, here's another one for Rebel: Hamo lied?? I gotta admit, I had been wondering if Hamo may have suckered JT into appearing to pass under yellow. I try that shit all the time. :biggrin:

http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2009/04/01/hamiltons-third-place-under-threat-again/

My, my, my, it just gets curiousier and curiousier.......:tongue:
 
Re: More rumors

I just heard that Branson and Michael Shumacher were spotted together alone on a clothing optional beach on a remote island in the South Paciific. And that Branson will announce this weekend that he's bought the Brawn team lock stock and barrell and given Michael a 40% share. Guess that'll get both the Schumi lovers and haters all riled up, eh? :biggrin:
 
Some guy over at Supraforums thinks Kubica could have hunted down Button had he not crashed with Sebastian Vettel. What a fool, at the time of the accident, Button was leading Vettel by 34 seconds. That means that Robert Kubica was at least 34 seconds behind Button, and he thinks Kubica could have beaten Jenson Button? Lets say Kubica would have passed Vettel, he's still 34 seconds behind Button, with 3 laps remaining in the race. Add to that, Button was on fresh super soft tires, with instructions to not push hard as there was no need to. He pretty much had the win in the bag. It appears that BrawnGP have been doing a little sandbagging too.
 
Just a couple days till Malaysia. Rain is the ultimate equalizer in F1 so we'll see how that goes. JB won his first F1 race in Hungary in the rain driving the old RA107.
 
Skybet just tipped Button to win the driver's title.
 
Hamilton excluded from the Australian Grand Prix results, loses 3rd place position for lying to the stewards.

Jarno Trulli regains 3rd place.

www.formula1.com


No, this is not a late April Fools joke. It's on the official F1 site.
 
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Re: Competitive "animals" know no limits

James Allen:
Hamilton seems to be slipping into Schumacher’s shoes as far as being at the centre of controversy is concerned. What was it Ron Dennis said in 2007? “Competitive animals know no limits.” He was speaking about Alonso but Hamilton is revealing himself to be every bit as ruthless a competitor.
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This is a "win at all costs" world, but it's still extremely disappointing to see unprofessional/unethical behavior like this from any of these teams or drivers. :frown:

But good on the FIA for releasing the radio transmissions that lay out the case. Let's hope we see this "transparency" consistently applied.
 
There is a problem with ruling.

Hamilton lost six points.

FIA really haven't present the public the evidence other than called Lewis a lier. This is big blunder again by the FIA and in my opinion, a bad decision.

Supposedly it happened out side of the camera area, and the footage is not clear. However, under the safety car, from what I understand, no one should over take regardless the reason unless the car in the front is at a dead stop, or off the track. Lewis' car was not in both cases. We have all seen F1 cars under safety car slow down than speed up with some zig zag to warm up the tires.

So I think this is another FIA against McLaren episode with out come that damage McLaren again without presenting the entire fact.

That's too bad. Trulli is no more honest than Lewis, the only difference is when you play dumb, people don't usually catch it until it is too late.
 
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not quite. . .

NSXrebel said:
If you're saying Honda wouldn't be performing similarly as BrawnGP is right now, then I respectfully disagree with you. Nobody knows how well Honda would be faring had they stayed in the game. This is their(Honda's) aero package after all, and they had just as long to develop their engine. If the chassis's aero is this much improved, imagine how much better their engine would have been.
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You've apparently misinterpreted & misread my previous post. I wasn't dismissing the chassis/engine prowess & potential of the probable '09 Honda F1 car, in-fact I personally felt it would've been t!ts as I have had in past campaigns. I, too, wanted a Honda power-plant & deep inside still wish for one. But, it's as an idealist follower of Honda. Not a rational/logical follower of racing. . .

Honda's R&D, engineering/technology, fabrication, and other race-bred ingenuity is & always has been second-to-none (IMHO). However, what I was dismissing was Honda F1's consistency in terms of reliability AND dependability week-in/week-out during the season. Nothing more, nothing less.

The truth hurts, and the truth is that they (Honda) weren't a well sorted bunch as constructor/team combo'. That is undeniable. I base the past few season's results & shortcomings as the reason for my thoughts (along w/ numerous behind-the-scenes interviews of those who were observing from afar in varying positions/capacities). History is the best (but not only) indicator of future events/results. Based on what I've read or come across, all/most of Brackley's crew (engineers, technicians, specialists, etc') remained to work on the Honda power-plant. From all that I know about racing (or how little, perhaps), power-train development is the absolute necessity towards consistency, and to put a car/driver in the novel position to score points if other parts of the equation are mediocre/compromising relative to the overall setup. . .

Long-story-short... going by the Honda engine performances (both in testing & qualifying/racing) & the race results of the past many seasons (BAR/BAT, and Honda) and those of Mercedes engines, I'm pleased w/ the move as a fan wishing for podiums - not manufacturer pride. Of-course I'm not well-versed enough to know what pro's/con's the Brawn-GP team had to contend w/ retrofitting a Merc' motor. But, whatever the trade-off may have been (as briefly mentioned by Ponyboy), the compromises/shortcomings were dealt w/ & accommodated into the overall package as bests they could to offer a formidable package competitive for points. . .

As much as I truly love & admire Honda, I am not blinded enough in devotion & fan-boy nostalgia to fail in recognizing that likely reliability/dependability issues could potentially persist, even w/ a stellar chassis/aero package. Good gosh almighty, just read/view the handful of past updates outlining BAR/BAT & Honda performances over they years from their testing to racing in various campaigns! Literally pathetic & unacceptable.

At least, that's my perspective from being a keen Int'l motor-sports enthusiast for decades. . .
 
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Vancehu said:
There is a problem with ruling.

Hamilton lost six points.

FIA really haven't present the public the evidence other than called Lewis a lier. This is big blunder again by the FIA and in my opinion, a bad decision.

Supposedly it happened out side of the camera area, and the footage is not clear. However, under the safety car, from what I understand, no one should over take regardless the reason unless the car in the front is at a dead stop, or off the track. Lewis' car was not in both cases. We have all seen F1 cars under safety car slow down than speed up with some zig zag to warm up the tires.

So I think this is another FIA against McLaren episode with out come that damage McLaren again without presenting the entire fact.

That's too bad. Trulli is no more honest than Lewis, the only difference is when you play dumb, people don't usually catch it until it is too late.
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C'mon Vance, I thought you would know better than this. Lewis Hamilton DID lie to the stewards, and there IS evidence. Here is the youtube link to the radio transmission between Hambone and McLaren. It clearly contradicts to what Hambone told the press and to what he told the stewards at the Australian GP. The penalty is well deserved as the evidence clearly shows that Hambone and company were being purposely deceitful. He was given orders to let Jarno Trulli regain position during the SC, and lied about it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h8q27gzS4C4


Here is Jarno Trulli's radio comm with his team. He says in the communication that Hambone appeared to have some problem and slowed down/moved to the side of the track. Having thought Hambone was out, Jarno passed him during the SC as there was nothing else he could do.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OohT1HbaEF0



Like I've said in multiple forums, this is NOT about who passed who under the safety car anymore. What this is about, is Hambone/McLaren deliberately withholding information, lying in other words, causing the stewards to unfairly hand Jarno Trulli a penalty he obviously did not deserve.


Now lets see all those conspiracy theorist talk about how Ferrari International Assistance are still just out to get Hambone and Co.
 
Re: not quite. . .

Osiris_x11 said:
You've apparently misinterpreted & misread my previous post. I wasn't dismissing the chassis/engine prowess & potential of the probable '09 Honda F1 car, in-fact I personally felt it would've been t!ts as I have had in past campaigns. I, too, wanted a Honda power-plant & deep inside still wish for one. But, it's as an idealist follower of Honda. Not a rational/logical follower of racing. . .

Honda's R&D, engineering/technology, fabrication, and other race-bred ingenuity is & always has been second-to-none (IMHO). However, what I was dismissing was Honda F1's consistency in terms of reliability AND dependability week-in/week-out during the season. Nothing more, nothing less.

The truth hurts, and the truth is that they (Honda) weren't a well sorted bunch as constructor/team combo'. That is undeniable. I base the past few season's results & shortcomings as the reason for my thoughts (along w/ numerous behind-the-scenes interviews of those who were observing from afar in varying positions/capacities). History is the best (but not only) indicator of future events/results. Based on what I've read or come across, all/most of Brackley's crew (engineers, technicians, specialists, etc') remained to work on the Honda power-plant. From all that I know about racing (or how little, perhaps), power-train development is the absolute necessity towards consistency, and to put a car/driver in the novel position to score points if other parts of the equation are mediocre/compromising relative to the overall setup. . .

Long-story-short... going by the Honda engine performances (both in testing & qualifying/racing) & the race results of the past many seasons (BAR/BAT, and Honda) and those of Mercedes engines, I'm pleased w/ the move as a fan wishing for podiums - not manufacturer pride. Of-course I'm not well-versed enough to know what pro's/con's the Brawn-GP team had to contend w/ retrofitting a Merc' motor. But, whatever the trade-off may have been (as briefly mentioned by Ponyboy), the compromises/shortcomings were dealt w/ & accommodated into the overall package as bests they could to offer a formidable package competitive for points. . .

As much as I truly love & admire Honda, I am not blinded enough in devotion & fan-boy nostalgia to fail in recognizing that likely reliability/dependability issues could potentially persist, even w/ a stellar chassis/aero package. Good gosh almighty, just read/view the handful of past updates outlining BAR/BAT & Honda performances over they years from their testing to racing in various campaigns! Literally pathetic & unacceptable.

At least, that's my perspective from being a keen Int'l motor-sports enthusiast for decades. . .
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All I'm saying is don't be so quick to say Honda wouldn't be in the same position BrawnGP is in right now Yeah, Honda has had a less than stellar performance in the last few years, but neither do you nor I know what they had up their sleeves up until they quit in December. Nobody knows nor they will ever know. Bottom line this IS a Honda chassis, and that's no fan-boyism, that's a fact. I don't care if Honda is out of the picture, I'm still rooting for these guys.
 

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