Where are all the Production deliveries ??
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Love the Huracan, too. I'd love a Performante, myself.
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it is a special, special car...
The 720S is a cool car, no doubt. Like the blue...... Interesting that there are shared nuances with the NSX. I think Acura borrowed a lot of nuances from a lot of different cars. With 710 HP there is also no doubt about it's performance. But again, we're talking about a car that is $350-400,000!!!! You'd certainly expect world class performance after shelling out that much. Are we supposed to be comparing the poor man's supercar(NSX) to this? It seems like comparing apples and oranges? Or is it a testament to how good the NSX is that it is even brought up in the same breath as the 720S? BTW, I think there were 130 720S' for sale on autotrader......
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all Supercars will be compared to each other. it's one category, they're all players in it, that's just how it goes. the GTR is cheaper than the NSX, the 720S is more expensive. they're all considered Supercars.
and remember, the 720S didn't exist when the NSX debuted. neither did the 488, nor the new R8. Honda targeted current cars for performance, not the forthcoming ones. the competition will only get better, as it always does. the NSX debuted behind the front runners, so it definitely has some catching up to do...
and remember, the 720S didn't exist when the NSX debuted. neither did the 488, nor the new R8. Honda targeted current cars for performance, not the forthcoming ones. the competition will only get better, as it always does. the NSX debuted behind the front runners, so it definitely has some catching up to do...
So in 2022, Acura will bump the displacement by 0.2 and add one gear to the transmission to keep on track with the competition. ��
And give it frog eyes.:biggrin:
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all the McLaren's are faster than the NSX...
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i love the frog eyes...
True!
All the cars in this range are pretty damn fast in relative terms. We took hot laps in the new NSX with pro driver James Robinson and he made that car fly! I'm pretty sure put a regular driver in a McLaren 570s or 488 and we would still lose the race. End of day it's the driver that makes the big difference.
There are rumors Acura will be making some key changes in 2019 so we are very hopeful!
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And next up will be the 488 Pista to compare to
^LOL that new Ferrari is sick though! Price of a house in most states 
2017 NSX competitors:
New cars:
R8
AMG GT
570s
Porsche
Used cars:
Huracan
Ferrari 458
Cars like the new 488 and 720s is really in the next level up and can't be compared to the NSX (price reflects it too)....maybe when the NSX Type-R comes out it could be mentioned in same sentence or be a great bargain if priced right
2017 NSX competitors:
New cars:
R8
AMG GT
570s
Porsche
Used cars:
Huracan
Ferrari 458
Cars like the new 488 and 720s is really in the next level up and can't be compared to the NSX (price reflects it too)....maybe when the NSX Type-R comes out it could be mentioned in same sentence or be a great bargain if priced right
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^LOL that new Ferrari is sick though! Price of a house in most states
2017 NSX competitors:
New cars:
R8
AMG GT
570s
Porsche
Used cars:
Huracan
Ferrari 458
Cars like the new 488 and 720s is really in the next level up and can't be compared to the NSX (price reflects it too)....maybe when the NSX Type-R comes out it could be mentioned in same sentence or be a great bargain if priced right
I mentioned the Pista to reflect the comedy these comparisons have become. I imagine a well spec'd one of these will tip the scale at $350K or better.
As I have said before, many of the folks who can afford a new NSX can obtain the next tier (or higher) vehicles, so there is some use in comparing a 488 to an NSX. It just gets silly if someone expects the NSX to win on xyz parameters against a car whose design targets were set higher.
With my NSX, I am having fun all year long, and typically get one or two good commutes in a week in Chicago,
I haven't seen another exotic on the road in months here.
(that was from posting 2228 in this thread)
FWIW, the 2018 online configurator still includes Nord Gray.
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My intel isn't perfect but, my source has a generally solid track record.
Hopefully we will see a yellow and other lively colors in the future.
Hopefully we will see a yellow and other lively colors in the future.
B & B,
Nice to see someone else gets the comparison deal like I do. I get that some guys love the lambos and the McLaren's, no problem, but at $100K more the cars Damn well oughta be better. But the Acura holds it own, and after Acura repriced the car with the $30K rebate and additional dealer discounts, I think it became a HUGE performance value, so I rolled the dice and bought one.
I do disagree about guys in one pricing tier being able to move up to the next. Had it not been for the "repricing", I doubt that I would have bought one...... It was a big deal for me to spend what I did. Case in point: My local Audi dealer has a 17' R8 on his sales floor. Been there for a year and a half. He's tired of looking at it. MSRP over $200k, and he has $20k in Audi rebate and dealer discount, so figure he can sell the car for $175k. Would I step up to that next tier? No..... including additional sales tax and increased cost of ownership , that represents at least an additional $40k more investment over what I paid for the NSX. I'm not really a German car kinda guy anyway, but the car was quite good in person. The GM was a friend of a friend and we took the NSX there for a visit, and I took the GM out for a ride and he drove it back. He was surprised at how good the car looked and even more impressed with it's performance. I'm now owed a test drive in the R8 when it warms up..... Will be interesting. Hard to imagine that it's that much better that I'd be compelled to justify spending $40k more.
I would venture a guess to say that there are a LOT of guys on this forum, that, had it not been for the rebate and discounts, would not have bought an NSX?
With regards to colors, I think the NSX color palette was pretty conservative. My guess is that they were targeting an older demographic? Even so, you'd think they'd have come up with at least one or two bold colors? The car needs lighter colors so as not to bury the great lines of the car. I think the dark colors bury the lines. But even with bold colors, it won't help up the value of the car.
What would Acura need to do to the car that would convince you to trade in your 17' and give them an additional $50K??? Even if they up the net HP to 700, and include cool colors, and the car can be justified at $200K, then you will still have guys comparing value to the Lambos, MacLarens, and GT3's?
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I actually believe a lot of potential buyers are not in due to the lack of customization options alone.
The new NSX target market is the $450K per year household and up folks (I am lucky to be in that space) and the group can play in the next price tier.
A hard top vert version would get my interest but at this point my plan is to add an R36 GTR and maybe an LFA down the road. The new Tesla Roadster is more than intriguing toward making an update to the plan though.
The new NSX target market is the $450K per year household and up folks (I am lucky to be in that space) and the group can play in the next price tier.
A hard top vert version would get my interest but at this point my plan is to add an R36 GTR and maybe an LFA down the road. The new Tesla Roadster is more than intriguing toward making an update to the plan though.
Keep the frog eyes and just serve me the legs deep fried....
Target "markets' are blurred significantly in this space though - you have to remember there are guys with E63 AMG living in "mfr. style" homes here in CA. Not saying anything wrong with it but our point is people's priorities are all different.
Living at home with parents? Trust fund baby? Work hard, play hard type? No savings and blow entire paychecks on a lease payment? Gamble in Vegas and hit the big one? Lotto winner?
Anything is possible and everyone's case is different. To say a household needs to make $450k is perhaps the practical answer but as we all know, we humans do odd things
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I totally agree with the reality that some folks who buy these cars, overspend for them relative to their economic basket.
But a car manufacturer like Acura doesn't typically generate a business case for a 26 year old living at home and spending 65% of their take home pay on their car payment.
All I am really saying is that Acura's target market is a consumer who can choose from a crap load of options due to their disposable income.
But a car manufacturer like Acura doesn't typically generate a business case for a 26 year old living at home and spending 65% of their take home pay on their car payment.
All I am really saying is that Acura's target market is a consumer who can choose from a crap load of options due to their disposable income.
I can't see how Acura/Honda ever intended to make any money on this car? Add up the investment they made over the years and even at $200k per car they're upside down.
It's a Halo car and intended to highlight what Acura can do, in my opinion. I wonder if they even did any demographic research? I'm sure they are proud of what they accomplished, and felt like they'd hit a homerun, and in many ways they did, but the supercar market is a highly competitive market if not completely saturated. Every supercar manufacturer has a backlog of unsold cars.Even so. I'm still amazed at how many high priced cars are sold.......
I think Acura felt that they'd sell every one of the 950 NSX's they built and go along their merry way, but we all know how that turned out for a multitude of reasons. 2018 will be interesting for the NSX and it's future. Like I asked in a previous post, "what would Acura have to do to the NSX to induce people to flock to it and pay $200k for it?" It most certainly is a "performance bargain" in the mid $100K's, but when you approach $200k you have lots of competition...... I just don't see how the "build your car option" is going to sell any cars. Maybe they will do a red carpet experience marketing thing, but that will cost a lot of money and come off the bottom line. But if it's truly about image building and not profit, then it may not matter to Acura. It will be interesting to see how 18 goes. Everyone keeps talking about all the good things that will happen in 2019, but if the car fails in 2018, will they continue? But historically, NSX production was in the 200's annually for many years, so maybe they will be content with low production over time, and who knows, they may come up with just the right mix of things and make the best car on the planet!
And BTW, I don't make $450k per year, but I'm funding my car from sales of cars out of my long time collection of classics that have sat in storage covered in dust for years.....
It's a Halo car and intended to highlight what Acura can do, in my opinion. I wonder if they even did any demographic research? I'm sure they are proud of what they accomplished, and felt like they'd hit a homerun, and in many ways they did, but the supercar market is a highly competitive market if not completely saturated. Every supercar manufacturer has a backlog of unsold cars.Even so. I'm still amazed at how many high priced cars are sold.......
I think Acura felt that they'd sell every one of the 950 NSX's they built and go along their merry way, but we all know how that turned out for a multitude of reasons. 2018 will be interesting for the NSX and it's future. Like I asked in a previous post, "what would Acura have to do to the NSX to induce people to flock to it and pay $200k for it?" It most certainly is a "performance bargain" in the mid $100K's, but when you approach $200k you have lots of competition...... I just don't see how the "build your car option" is going to sell any cars. Maybe they will do a red carpet experience marketing thing, but that will cost a lot of money and come off the bottom line. But if it's truly about image building and not profit, then it may not matter to Acura. It will be interesting to see how 18 goes. Everyone keeps talking about all the good things that will happen in 2019, but if the car fails in 2018, will they continue? But historically, NSX production was in the 200's annually for many years, so maybe they will be content with low production over time, and who knows, they may come up with just the right mix of things and make the best car on the planet!
And BTW, I don't make $450k per year, but I'm funding my car from sales of cars out of my long time collection of classics that have sat in storage covered in dust for years.....
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