Where are all the Production deliveries ??

[Bricks and Bio]

Agreed but I have to concede that some ex US cars needed to be built so we have what we have

i am glad we get to track total production via the chassis numbering

 

[Gadgetman]

It would have been nice if all the low number VINs and chassis #s matched.

Why not ALL vs just low #'s

 

[Bricks and Bio]

Serial # 078, a 130R white car made it to Orlando

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Serial # 069, a pearl white car is in Las Vegas

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Here is a Valencia red one being delivered to a Sarasota FL dealer

no info on vin or chassis #s

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=vfVQYA_mTZA

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Story on 3 production units being shipped to Japan

the second pic shows the cars wrapped for shipment like Audi does

http://www.thebrunswicknews.com/new...cle_59016183-d358-557e-a0bb-2f939e10169c.html

 

[Tom239]

It would have been nice if all the low number VINs and chassis numbers matched.

Are you saying that all the low numbers should have gone to the US market?

For better or worse, it's customary in the industry that the serial number field in
the VIN is issued sequentially for cars sold in a particular market and model year.

With the chassis numbers, we get an indication of where the car stands in
overall production, which a VIN doesn't tell you. I'm guessing Honda won't
reset the chassis number to 1 for the next model year.

 

[nosirrahx]

Are you saying that all the low numbers should have gone to the US market?

For better or worse, it's customary in the industry that the serial number field in
the VIN is issued sequentially for cars sold in a particular market and model year.

With the chassis numbers, we get an indication of where the car stands in
overall production, which a VIN doesn't tell you. I'm guessing Honda won't
reset the chassis number to 1 for the next model year.

Just saying it would be nice to have a matching VIN and chassis #

You might be surprised @ how often people ask me why they don't match.

 

[RSO 34]

Each day it gets more frustrating to see certain cars going through dealers' hands instead of to the buyers who actually put down money on them a long time ago.

#19 was at Rallaye Acura and just as they were lowering their asking price to MSRP for NSX club members in the area it was sold. Well it turns out it was sold to another local dealer who is looking to flip it a profit since it is on fleabay for $235k.

 

[Bricks and Bio]

I find that stuff expectable and entertaining

it is common for dealers to trade with each other

some dealers really believe there are some monopoly rents to collected on these cars

we still haven't seen an instrumented review of a production unit from a mag like R and t, and would expect interest to liven up a bit after we do

we have seen hints at how capable the car is from the guys who won an scca autocross with one

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Per Honda's sept 1, 2016 press release, 22 were sold in the us in August, 45 in the us total for the year

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Today's update

production is believed to be above 20 per week

not able to get a total build #, he has it but is unable to share

ikeda's second email blast is overdue and he will follow up on that

still trying to get info on communicating about when a delivery is within the 2-3 month window

inspections have become even more rigorous

many cars continue to be held in the warehouse and someone has been tasked with moving them out

sone welcome packages have shipped

the mismatching info about the number of total deliveries may be due to dealerships not completing rsr documents after delivery

he believes the factory paints about 10 of a color and then changes over to another

some wave 2 coverage cars have been shipped

about 20 cars shipped this week

he was not familiar with the high priced Japan modulo wheel and was surprised to hear about the car at the Chevy dealer

He had also not heard about the paint colors being renamed ex US but was familiar with the orchid interior being called beach.
some dealers haven't even been calling customers to have them see/make offers on the car they received. The local Chicagoland dealer called me to invite me to come see it, but didn't have a price to share

 

[chrisn]

some wave 2 coverage cars have been shipped

Dude, you "buried the lede"-- that's awesome.

 

[Bricks and Bio]

To me serial 084 would be roughly the first car in wave 2

080 was delivered to a dealer a while ago and I am sure that sat in the warehouse before going out

i have to believe they are up to about 150 U.S. cars built by now

 

[JD Cross]

Has anyone seen any of Ikeda's email updates?

 

[Bricks and Bio]

Yes
chrisn shared the first one with me
Written from Monterey
Touted the excitement NSX brings to show rooms, the take rate for some options like red calipers and cf items (inferring boosting profit)

He said 46 coverage units had been shipped but I believe his info was out of date

 

[JD Cross]

He said 46 coverage units had been shipped but I believe his info was out of date

I'm confused about the wave 1, wave 2, coverage units
Aren't there 245 +/- dealers so there would be same number of coverage units in total?

 

[Bricks and Bio]

I was told 253 U.S. dealers participating the NSX program

1 coverage unit per dealer

roughly 84 cars per wave

 

[chrisn]

I'm confused about the wave 1, wave 2, coverage units
Aren't there 245 +/- dealers so there would be same number of coverage units in total?

Per the "Playbooks," they opened orders for the ~260 "coverage units" in three waves: orders placed in Feb, March and April (sometimes referred to as March, April and May-- the month of "lock" versus month of order). (Although I think I saw reference to June locks-- so not sure what that's about--- maybe a smaller "clean up" batch?).

The working assumption is that the total coverage units would be divided roughly in thirds. So we think we could be beginning the second wave of deliveries-- being those orders "locked" in early April.

Acura was supposed to let buyers know a THREE MONTH "window" for production, but that does not seem to have been done (at least not universally). So, Wave 2 buyers have assumed that until we get notice of the production window, we are at least 4-6 weeks from delivery. But it seems that some cars just "showed up" with only a few days notice.

Net, net, some of us are now in "it could be any day now" mode--- the most exciting part of the anticipation phase IMHO. (Although it will likely be several weeks more waiting for most of us).

 

[Bricks and Bio]

I keep tr to get info on the window communication and got zip so far

Focus on the fact that production rate is up and wave 2 cars are shipping

 

[JD Cross]

Per the "Playbooks," they opened orders for the ~260 "coverage units" in three waves: orders placed in Feb, March and April (sometimes referred to as March, April and May-- the month of "lock" versus month of order). (Although I think I saw reference to June locks-- so not sure what that's about--- maybe a smaller "clean up" batch?).

So the 260 coverage units of one car per dealer coming in three waves includes cars bought by dealers for themselves and cars sold direct to owners by dealers?

 

[chrisn]

So the 260 coverage units of one car per dealer coming in three waves includes cars bought by dealers for themselves and cars sold direct to owners by dealers?

Not sure I understand the question. A coverage car is a coverage car. From Acura's perspective, the dealer *is* the customer and can, in turn, sell to whomever the dealer wants to: himself, a pre-order at MSRP, a pre-order above MSRP or a "spec" car to be auctioned to highest bidder.

To be clear, there is no such thing as a "direct order"-- all sales are through dealers.

 

[JD Cross]

Not sure I understand the question. A coverage car is a coverage car. From Acura's perspective, the dealer *is* the customer and can, in turn, sell to whomever the dealer wants to: himself, a pre-order at MSRP, a pre-order above MSRP or a "spec" car to be auctioned to highest bidder. To be clear, there is no such thing as a "direct order"-- all sales are through dealers.

I understand there are no direct sales by Honda to a customer.
By direct I meant a car that is pre-ordered by a customer though his dealer and the car goes directly to that customer when it arrives.

I think I understand now the 260 "coverage" units are cars "sold" by the factory to each NSX dealer around the country.
And some dealers have pre-sold them on and others yet to decide what to do and so on.

I got confused and thought Honda was keeping track of which NSX's had been pre-ordered though dealerships to be delivered to dealer customers and which NSX's were bought by dealers but not sold onwards.
So given there are quite a few unsolds at various Acura and other dealerships I was having trouble understanding why Honda wasn't shipping more pre-ordered cars first and shipping dealer orders later to take pressure off the market.

I understand now Honda treats all the NSX orders equally, whether pre-orders or not, and ships them roughly in the order in which they were locked.

 

[Olyar15]

Sounds like they are still far from building 8 cars a day. More like 2 to 3. Unless they do something miraculous, I don't see how they can build 800 cars total for the current model year, let alone 1600 total they were supposedly going to build for US and non-US markets.

Looks like they have sold a total of 5 NSXs for the Canadian market: 1 in July and 4 in August.

 

[brucewinter]

23 cars on cars.com, 3 used

 

[Bricks and Bio]

The first car to a dealer is the coverage unit
Sold to he dealer, a customer or captain kangaroo, still the coverage unit

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If production is 4 days a week they are over 5 cars per day

 

[JD Cross]

23 cars on cars.com, 3 used

Based on Bricks guess of 80 shipped so far it looks like about 30% are unsold.
Does this mean that about 70% are pre-sold or sold on arrival?
If it is, that's a much higher sales rates than it initially looked like.
Good news.

 

[MasterNSXTech]

Way more than 80 shipped. It's more like 150 are out the door with about 100 of them for USDM.

 

[chrisn]

Way more than 80 shipped. It's more like 150 are out the door with about 100 of them for USDM.

Do you know if that ~100 is "built" or "shipped?" I ask because it seems that there is a meaningful delay between rolling off the line and rolling into the dealership.

 

[Bricks and Bio]

What I have heard is that over 50 have been delivered in the US and that there are about 20 sad faced ones sitting in dealerships.

There are likely to be more that are still in transit or that we haven't seen (noting that most of the 50 sold units never hit cars.com).

I would dispute the 150 shipped. Some went to Canada, a few to Japan, I was told 1 to South America.

We have no measure of pre-solds (i.e. real customer orders vs. dealer order).

My guess is that they have built 150 US cars and the doofuses at the factory are holding up the release of dozens of cars.

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Serial # 082, a white one is in Kansas City and takes over ar the highest vin # seen to date.

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And serial # 057, a blue one is in Duluth GA