The Official 2010 F1 Megathread

[Ponyboy]

Meh, I didn't even watch it. I don't know what my issue is with F1 this year.

- Caterpillars at my beloved Fezza team making me apathetic
- My boy Schuey sucking it up.
- My boy Jense being consistently outpaced by Hambone.

Meh, meh, and meh.

 

[MetalSpikeRacing]

Kobayashi!!!!!!!!

Loved it.
-MSR

 

[enigma]

Disappointed,worst race this year.Confused rules about safety car came out bed for Ferrari.Big nice surprise Rubens and Williams.

Worst race of the year? You must've missed Bahrain!

Holy WOW @ Webber's crash, a dominating drive by Vettel (as much as I dislike admitting that), Kobayashi's last lap charge, Ferrari complaining as per usual when things don't go their way, and a two-lap charge that saw Hamilton serve a drive through and not even lose a position? I'm very happy with the way F1 has been this season. With the exception of Bahrain, every race has absolutely been exciting in my opinion.

Button is the guy I always root for, but I'm growing tiresome of his lackluster and boring drives... The only reason he did as well as he did was solely based on the safety car. I know he's only 6 points out from the Championship lead, but if he even wants a shot at the title, he needs to pick up the pace--especially in qualifying.

Schuey is looking like the Schuey of old with 10,000 pitstops per race....... except for that whole finishing in the back bit. Rosberg is really outclassing him this year, and I don't believe at all that's due to Rosberg being a great driver. I'm still unimpressed by him, just as I have been since his F1 debut. Schumacher just can't come to grips (literally, hah!) with the tires this year.

Great drive by Kobayashi as well. He impressed me in the Toyota last year and this race goes to prove if he can just stop pushing so hard all the time and avoid crashing, he can put in decent results.



Looking forward to Silverstone! I hear the McLaren boys will have an update for it... here's to hoping that they can close the gap to the RBR boys.

 

[92 white 0650]

Re: Boring?

Boring is when everything is predictable. And that's not what I saw. For example, the FIA apparently forgot that the F stands for Ferrari when they didn't DQ Hamo and promote Fred to an automatic 2nd place.

Now, on a serious note, if anyone cares to discuss, I think the drive through for Hamo was appropriate and the fact that he was just that fast and Kobi just happened to be holding everyone up is just part of racing. The fact that it didn't turn out to be a game changer doesn't mean it wasn't appropriate.

And on a different note, what was the deal with Webber; how did he go from 2nd to 9th on the first lap?

Meh, I didn't even watch it. I don't know what my issue is with F1 this year.

Shawn.............see you next year? (I know you've stuck a fork in this year. :frown

 

[ChopsJazz]

Re: Boring?

Now, on a serious note, if anyone cares to discuss, I think the drive through for Hamo was appropriate and the fact that he was just that fast and Kobi just happened to be holding everyone up is just part of racing. The fact that it didn't turn out to be a game changer doesn't mean it wasn't appropriate.

I'm not so sure that a simple drive-through was the right penalty. From my perspective, Hamilton gained more than one position when he passed the safety car. I'll leave it up the the steward (BTW, it's nice to see former F! drivers in the control booth for the races now), but my opinion is that he should have been moved back to the position where he was when the safety car came out. Otherwise, what would be the harm for everyone to pass the safety car if all they had to suffer was a drive-through?

My .02

 

[92 white 0650]

Re: Guess I need to do some homework

Hamilton gained more than one position when he passed the safety car.

Didn't know that. I wasn't paying very much attention and was under the impression that Hamo simply passed the SC because he knew he'd get waved around anyway in order for the SC to pick up Vettel and because the safety car came out at the wrong time. Wasn't that simple, huh?

Does this stem from the stewards fumbling the situation due to some vague SC rules? If so, let's get some discussion going, because I'm behind the 8 ball on this issue. :redface:

 

[Jack Sparrow]

Re: Guess I need to do some homework

From my perspective, Hamilton gained more than one position when he passed the safety car.

He didn't. Hamilton was in 2nd when the SC car came out...

Hamo simply passed the SC because he knew he'd get waved around anyway in order for the SC to pick up Vettel and because the safety car came out at the wrong time. Wasn't that simple, huh?

Does this stem from the stewards fumbling the situation due to some vague SC rules? If so, let's get some discussion going, because I'm behind the 8 ball on this issue. :redface:

You are right on all points.

 

[92 white 0650]

Re: More questions

You are right on all points.

OK, let me ask a few more. Looked to me now that Hamo 1) was understandably surprised to see the SC coming out long after Vettel was past, 2) then hesitated as he came abreast of the SC and 3) should have stayed on the gas to be ahead at the SC stripe. But in the end, the Hamo mistake was a minor (technical) infraction and gained no actual advantage. The Red Cars got screwed by other SC factors (like Kobay going slow?) which had nothing to do with Hamo's deal. Is that it?

Why couldn't Matchett calculate better how much track time Hamo would lose and know he'd have a shot at keeping 2nd given how far back Kobay was?

Why was Buxton so critical of Hamo, saying he just wasn't paying attention on several counts but mostly for not jumping Seabass on the re-start. Looked to me, Hamo was on his ass on the re-start and was just being careful not to lock up like Seabass did on the first corner. Almost got by, but Vettel did a good job of salvaging the lock-up and didn't lose much to Hamo comparatively.

What was the "Kovalienen caused the accident" blather all about? I'm surprised to hear that from Matchett. The Lotus moved a little but that had nothing to do with the fact that Webber was too focused on Kova's ass to notice that it was time for the Lotus to brake. Maybe the RB could and would brake later, but Kova has the right (need) to brake where he has to and that's why Webber went flying. Webb's fault IMHO.

What was the deal with Butt not being able to get by Kobay? Is the track that bad, was Kobay that good or did JB have a problem? Or was he clairvoyent and just knew he was destined to finish 3rd?

Fox; what a waste. Let's get back to Speed and be done with all this dumbed down commentary so we can get some decent analysis/predictions from Stevie and Hobbsy.

 

[Jack Sparrow]

Re: More questions

OK, let me ask a few more. Looked to me now that Hamo 1) was understandably surprised to see the SC coming out long after Vettel was past, 2) then hesitated as he came abreast of the SC and 3) should have stayed on the gas to be ahead at the SC stripe. But in the end, the Hamo mistake was a minor (technical) infraction and gained no actual advantage. The Red Cars got screwed by other SC factors (like Kobay going slow?) which had nothing to do with Hamo's deal. Is that it?

To begin, clarification on the situation:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xEo5eqjjfXc

1. Hamilton was surprised to see the SC.
2. My assumption (along with the video commentator's) is that he radio'd into the team for help, they finally decide its best to pass the SC, and Hamilton makes his move right before the next corner.
3. Hamilton was fastest on lap 18 (webber's crash was on 13), I think McLaren knew they would be penalised and made sure Hamilton put tons of distance on Kobayashi.

Why couldn't Matchett calculate better how much track time Hamo would lose and know he'd have a shot at keeping 2nd given how far back Kobay was?

Matchett is a mechanical engineer, not an analyst but even so, that would be asking too much of him.

Why was Buxton so critical of Hamo, saying he just wasn't paying attention on several counts but mostly for not jumping Seabass on the re-start. Looked to me, Hamo was on his ass on the re-start and was just being careful not to lock up like Seabass did on the first corner. Almost got by, but Vettel did a good job of salvaging the lock-up and didn't lose much to Hamo comparatively.

Often times the drivers are fairly spaced out right before the race goes green again, which I have always questioned as well. Hamilton was 10+ seconds behind Vettel prior to the crash should have been on Vettel's tail as soon as the race went green. If he had, I think he would have passed Vettel during his lock-up. Possible explanation for Buxton's criticism.

What was the "Kovalienen caused the accident" blather all about? I'm surprised to hear that from Matchett. The Lotus moved a little but that had nothing to do with the fact that Webber was too focused on Kova's ass to notice that it was time for the Lotus to brake. Maybe the RB could and would brake later, but Kova has the right (need) to brake where he has to and that's why Webber went flying. Webb's fault IMHO.

Agreed, it was Webber's fault. Matchett is an idiot.

What was the deal with Butt not being able to get by Kobay? Is the track that bad, was Kobay that good or did JB have a problem? Or was he clairvoyent and just knew he was destined to finish 3rd?

The commentators seems to be comparing LH to JB on a regular basis now which cause people to question Jenson and his driving capabilities but keep in mind, everyone has different race strategies. Hamilton goes balls out throughout the race (if mechanically possible), evidenced by the Canadian GP, and running out of fuel on the victory lap.

Jenson brings more strategy into the equation. He factors in fuel and tire degredation which at times is his downfall. Classic case of too much planning and not enough doing. When it comes down to why he didn't pass Kobayashi, i think Jenson couldn't pass him, knew Kobayashi would eventually have to pit, and possibly wanted to save fuel/tires for a final charge at the end. He did come away with fastest lap.

Fox; what a waste. Let's get back to Speed and be done with all this dumbed down commentary so we can get some decent analysis/predictions from Stevie and Hobbsy.

AGREED.

 

[ChopsJazz]

Re: More questions

To begin, clarification on the situation:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xEo5eqjjfXc

1. Hamilton was surprised to see the SC.

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   Lewis has missed warning lights before, like the Canadian GP in 2008. Surprised or not, the guy needs to pay attention, he's not a rookie anymore.

 

[92 white 0650]

Re: Surprise !!! here's "SC"

I can't hardly blame Hamo for being surprised at the SC coming out right after Vettel !!!! Hello !!!! You pick up the leader, you don't wave the whole field around. How could Race control (or more likely the SC driver) be that unaware of where the leader is?

...Hamilton goes balls out throughout the race (if mechanically possible), evidenced by the Canadian GP, and running out of fuel on the victory lap.

......Jenson brings more strategy into the equation. He factors in fuel and tire degredation which at times is his downfall. Classic case of too much planning and not enough doing.....

Yep, JB would never have passed the SC; he would have thought about it for a few laps !!!! :biggrin:

Uh-oh, I think I hear Rebel coming........... :wink:

 

[NSXrebel]

Re: Surprise !!! here's "SC"

I can't hardly blame Hamo for being surprised at the SC coming out right after Vettel !!!! Hello !!!! You pick up the leader, you don't wave the whole field around. How could Race control (or more likely the SC driver) be that unaware of where the leader is?


Yep, JB would never have passed the SC; he would have thought about it for a few laps !!!! :biggrin:

Uh-oh, I think I hear Rebel coming........... :wink:

 

[Jack Sparrow]

Re: Surprise !!! here's "SC"

I can't hardly blame Hamo for being surprised at the SC coming out right after Vettel !!!! Hello !!!! You pick up the leader, you don't wave the whole field around. How could Race control (or more likely the SC driver) be that unaware of where the leader is?


Yep, JB would never have passed the SC; he would have thought about it for a few laps !!!! :biggrin:

Uh-oh, I think I hear Rebel coming........... :wink:

If we are to blame anyone with what happened in Valencia and the SC, I would blame the stewards and the officials who decided to have the SC come out when it did.

I think if Button doesn't win the next two races, Hamilton is going to steam roll his momentum to the championship. Yes there is still more than half the season left but the momentum shifted in Turkey for McLaren and Button has yet to take advantage of it.

 

[Ponyboy]

Another good Macca video:

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"Oh no, I've done a Mark Webber" had me LOLing.

 

[BD]

Frank Williams stepped down today. Another icon of the Era of F1 I loved.

 

[92 white 0650]

Re: Get out the vuvuzelas

I guess these things can be used for a variety of reasons, but for me, they suggest giving someone the raspberries since they're so obnoxious. Micheal and Jens may be getting the vuvuzelas today if they don't do something to salvage an embarrassing Q. Outqualified by Pedro ??? ROFLMAO. Never a dull moment. :biggrin:

Anyway, I'm betting I'll be blowing my imaginary vuvuzela at someone today. :tongue:

Since it's on Fox today :frown: guess I'll follow James on Twitter :wink:

 

[Miner]

Nice drive by Webber. Bad, bad day for Ferrari.

I'm not digging the fuel/tire rule. I think it has hurt the racing; at least the chess like strategy of the races.

Miner

 

[scorp965]

 

[92 white 0650]

Re: Two teams showing different sides of class

RBR is losing my respect and I blew my vuvuzela at RBR management first and foremost today for the wing fiasco. But also to Vettel for showing zero class on the start.

But Macca came out of nowhere to fix their problems, race smart and do the right things. I blow my vuvuzela as a tribute to them (this weekend anyway). :wink:

 

[Jack Sparrow]

Re: Two teams showing different sides of class

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAAH...That is fuckin hilarious. Webber stuck it to the pricks in Austria.

RBR is losing my respect and I blew my vuvuzela at RBR management first and foremost today for the wing fiasco. But also to Vettel for showing zero class on the start.

But Macca came out of nowhere to fix their problems, race smart and do the right things. I blow my vuvuzela as a tribute to them (this weekend anyway). :wink:

I've hated Vettel since last season and hate him even more so now that RBR is playing favorites.

Sparrow's Thoughts:

• Congrats to Webber for pushing Vettel off the track at the beginning of the race.
• Jenson had a great drive but he can't afford to have these hickups with the last half of the season beginning and Hamilton slowly increasing his points lead.
• LOL'd @ Alonso's misfortunes.
• What happened to Kubica's Renault?
• Congrats to Kobayashi for having a great drive again...someone get that guy a better car.

 

[Sandro]

Bad luck for my favorite driver,maybe little disappointment last two races first
safety car than bad start and drive through.I'm optimist about improve of Ferrari car but guys Red Bull is flying and McLearen is pretty good.Some guys
from Ferrari said that some one put spell on them.Maybe we need some raining race to wash away those spell!

 

[NSXrebel]

What a great race! Eddie Jordan said it best, it was poetic justice for Webber. Happy Button was able to move up the pack to finish a solid 4th. If it weren't for the snafu in Monaco, I think he would still be leading the championship, if not, much closer to Hamilton.

Vettel did seem like an a-hole during the post-race interviews.

 

[92 white 0650]

Re: Merc.......go to your room

And start working overtime on next year's car.

 

[oscar_driver]

Shame on ferrari, Shame on TEAM ORDERS.

I hope they get PENALIZED, Alonso is sent to 8th position and banned for 2 races.

TEAM ORDERS ON F1 = FAIL

 

[Sandro]

Finally,after few bad races for Ferrari.It's been obvious that Alonso has been faster than Massa.So good decision for team and championship.