The Official 2010 F1 Megathread

[92 white 0650]

Re: "Cowboy" Chandhok??? LOL

It's some amusing trivia to hear that some (many?) of Chandhok's family/relatives are in/near San Antonio and that the Austin GP, (if & when) could be called his "home race." :tongue: We'll see if Austin is cosmopolitan enough to do something, like give him a key to the city. That would be

 

[69XSN]

After boring Monaca, I was expecting somewhat of a procession for this race. Well I stand corrected, Vettel feeling the pressure and becoming somewhat aggressive, Lewis giving Button a passing lesson, Ferarri and Mercedes on a sunday drive (I wonder who Massa will be working for next season), Kobayashi finally getting an overdue and well deserved point and it seems that Micheal may finally be getting in form. I hope Canada continues to entertain.

 

[myhui]

I vote for McLaren as the most exciting and capable racing team this season.

Their sports car division will open up a showroom here in Orange County. Ten years from now I might be able to afford my own McLaren sports car. Maybe they'll put a Honda I-4 turbo in there, as a low-end, race-only model below their current offering. There's no way that type of engine will pass CARB rules.

 

[Sandro]

After boring Monaca, I was expecting somewhat of a procession for this race. Well I stand corrected, Vettel feeling the pressure and becoming somewhat aggressive, Lewis giving Button a passing lesson, Ferarri and Mercedes on a sunday drive (I wonder who Massa will be working for next season), Kobayashi finally getting an overdue and well deserved point and it seems that Micheal may finally be getting in form. I hope Canada continues to entertain.

Sorry but don't agree whit 2 things ,firs Seb was ahead of Marc and as a team mate supposed to leave him a bit of space not to close the door and second
Lewis wasn't pretty happy with win because Jenson show him that he is able to pass him but leaved space in turn 1 to Lewis pass.

 

[Jack Sparrow]

After boring Monaca, I was expecting somewhat of a procession for this race. Well I stand corrected, Vettel feeling the pressure and becoming somewhat aggressive, Lewis giving Button a passing lesson, Ferarri and Mercedes on a sunday drive (I wonder who Massa will be working for next season), Kobayashi finally getting an overdue and well deserved point and it seems that Micheal may finally be getting in form. I hope Canada continues to entertain.

The last 20 laps were amazing.

Vettel's an impatient schmuck, he got the run on Webber because Webber was in fuel saving mode during that lap to make it to the end of the race. He should have realized both are apart of the same team and should have called it in to figure things out.

The McLaren drivers actually know how to give space when battling with each other and Im sure after watching what happened to Redbull, there was no way in hell Whitmarsh would allow for the same mistake. Button got past Hamilton and than gave him enough space to regain the position. If he didn't have to conserve fuel, I'm sure Button could have held off Hamilton.

 

[myhui]

Time and again Jenson has said that he puts safety first when he drives. This was a class act on Jenson's part and bodes well for his continued employment by McLaren for the next few years.

 

[Ponyboy]

Awesome race! First 4 cars w/i a second and a half almost the entire race. Like myhui, I thought JB drove a great race, very mature and calculated. He could have gone balls out and caused a huge crash on the first and lap. He also could have pushed Hamilton for the race win.

Weber needed to give Vettel some room. Mark complained that Vettel ran into him but, obviously, Vettel had gotten ahead and Mark had just didn't leave any room to move.

Mark doesn't have a contract after this year, right?

 

[92 white 0650]

Re: Newsflash: Teammates don't roll over

Webber didn't roll over and neither did Hamo. And the difference in the outcome goes directly to the difference between Jensen and Vettel.

Seems to be some conflicting opinions coming out of Red Bull. But I have to go with Horner's assessment; something like 80% Seb's and 20% Mark's
fault. (Edit: Now I see far more quotes from Horner that indicate Helmut Marko has gotten to him and handed him the "official team line" that it was Mark's fault..................meaning that Mark should have factored in that 1) Vettel lives a lot closer to Austria than Mark does and 2) he, not Mark, came out of the RB driver development program. So, please attribute the 80-20 case below to just me, not Horner.)

It was 80% Seb's fault because he flat lost the necessary precise control and moved over into Mark. He, better than anyone, should have known Mark was not going to just roll over.

But it was 20% Mark's fault because (duh ) he held his line and didn't just get out of the way like he was HRT. More importantly, eek he didn't comply with the Austrian team management's encrypted team orders.

Truth be told, if these 2 were not RedBull teammates, it would have been 100% Seb and 0% Mark's fault.

Let's see if Vettel wants to team with and take on Fred next year. If he thinks Mark is a PITA, wait'll he's on the same team with "Mr. take no prisoners" himself. :tongue:

 

[69XSN]

Re: Newsflash: Teammates don't roll over

Webber didn't roll over and neither did Hamo. And the difference in the outcome goes directly to the difference between Jensen and Vettel.

Seems to be some conflicting opinions coming out of Red Bull. But I have to go with Horner's assessment; something like 80% Seb's and 20% Mark's
fault. (Edit: Now I see far more quotes from Horner that indicate Helmut Marko has gotten to him and handed him the "official team line" that it was Mark's fault..................meaning that Mark should have factored in that 1) Vettel lives a lot closer to Austria than Mark does and 2) he, not Mark, came out of the RB driver development program. So, please attribute the 80-20 case below to just me, not Horner.)

It was 80% Seb's fault because he flat lost the necessary precise control and moved over into Mark. He, better than anyone, should have known Mark was not going to just roll over.

But it was 20% Mark's fault because (duh ) he held his line and didn't just get out of the way like he was HRT. More importantly, eek he didn't comply with the Austrian team management's encrypted team orders.

Truth be told, if these 2 were not RedBull teammates, it would have been 100% Seb and 0% Mark's fault.

Let's see if Vettel wants to team with and take on Fred next year. If he thinks Mark is a PITA, wait'll he's on the same team with "Mr. take no prisoners" himself. :tongue:

I totally agree with your assestment. It's a race, everyone wants to win. It has been said many times in racing, catching up is one thing getting pass is another. If one is faster it's his/her job to figure out how to get by and stay ahead. Obviously Button nor Vettel could make it stick, but it made the race exciting.

 

[92 white 0650]

Re: So long Mark

Horner said this on Thursday. I'm betting lunch we never hear him say anything like that again. More like, "Adios Amigo. See ya around sometime." Mark's done at RB. :wink:

And, for the rest of this year, looks like RB is done shooting themselves in the foot and are now aiming at each other's head.

And on another note, if I wasn't clear in my previous post, I tip my hat to Jensen for some really slick but clean dicing. Hamo wasn't bad either. :smile:

Pretty interesting season so far, eh?

 

[NSXrebel]

Re: So long Mark

Horner said this on Thursday. I'm betting lunch we never hear him say anything like that again. More like, "Adios Amigo. See ya around sometime." Mark's done at RB. :wink:

And, for the rest of this year, looks like RB is done shooting themselves in the foot and are now aiming at each other's head.

And on another note, if I wasn't clear in my previous post, I tip my hat to Jensen for some really slick but clean dicing. Hamo wasn't bad either. :smile:

Pretty interesting season so far, eh?

Pretty boring season so far.










:biggrin:
Yes, some slick dicing between Jenson (not Jensen) and Hamo. Didn't look like he was getting mopped all over the floor by Lewis. All you who said otherwise before the season started, have you had some crow yet??

 

[myhui]

Lewis Hamilton said on formula1.com's interview:

Jenson was always on my tail and I had a great battle with him - he passed, but I was able to pass him back at Turn One. It was kind of a surprise for me that he passed.​

Lewis may not have awaken to the fact that Jenson can be as good a racing driver as he is, except Jenson drives cleanly during and after passing Lewis, whereby Lewis doesn't.

They had a few words on the way out to the podium where the audio wasn't picked up, but the video was. It looked like Jenson was telling Lewis something, which may have totally dampened Lewis' mood on the podium.

Right after the race, notice how Lewis just slowly gets out of the car and hardly smiled. What's the problem?

 

[myhui]

Re: Newsflash: Teammates don't roll over

More importantly, eek he didn't comply with the Austrian team management's encrypted team orders.

Let's review the teams' management's ethnicity then ...

Mercedes GP: all German, even Ross Brawn's ancesters are German?

Red Bull: Austrian, you say?

McLaren: English, still with a faint New Zealand taste after exactly 40 years?

Ferrari: mostly Italian, but with key engineering jobs held by smart British men?


Here's a tribute to Bruce McLaren, 40 years after his very untimely death:

Notice how, back in those days, even a team principal wears a mechanic's uniform, with name proudly sewn onto the lapel.

 

[92 white 0650]

Re: Uhhh, what????

Let's review the teams' management's ethnicity then ...

Mercedes GP: all German, even Ross Brawn's ancesters are German?

Red Bull: Austrian, you say?

McLaren: English, still with a faint New Zealand taste after exactly 40 years?

Ferrari: mostly Italian, but with key engineering jobs held by smart British men?


Here's a tribute to Bruce McLaren, 40 years after his very untimely death:

Notice how, back in those days, even a team principal wears a mechanic's uniform, with name proudly sewn onto the lapel.

Anyone see a point in there somewhere? If so, please interpret. Thanks.

 

[92 white 0650]

Re: Is it October yet?

Yes, some slick dicing between Jenson (not Jensen) and Hamo. Didn't look like he was getting mopped all over the floor by Lewis. All you who said otherwise before the season started, have you had some crow yet??

You may ultimately get a concession from me on this, and from the race yesterday, you and Jens took a step in that direction. :smile: But there's a bunch of racing still to come, so the jury is out until October. :wink:

 

[92 white 0650]

Re: Red Bull damage control

http://www.redbull.com/cs/Satellite...1242855170930?refmod=ContentFeed&refmodpos=A5

Obviously, Vettel is not the right guy to make this team statement (regardless of fault). The comments are overwhelmingly blaming Vettel. But, if you think Webber shares some blame or all of it, help him (them) out and post your comment on this RBR page.

 

[NSXrebel]

Re: Is it October yet?

You may ultimately get a concession from me on this, and from the race yesterday, you and Jens took a step in that direction. :smile: But there's a bunch of racing still to come, so the jury is out until October. :wink:

It's still a long way till October, but c'mon, 7 races in and Jenson is doing better than Hamilton. If it weren't for his mechanics not accounting for all their tools at Monaco, Button would still be leading the WDC right now.

 

[Jack Sparrow]

And the blame game continues...

Horner: Webber wanted Vettel to back off
http://www.planetf1.com/news/3213/6185910/The-Red-Bull-Blame-Game-Continues...

Red Bull Racing boss Christian Horner has revealed that Mark Webber asked the team to advise Sebastian Vettel to back off the lap before their Turkish Grand Prix collision.
Vettel attempted to pass his team-mate for the lead on the run down to the final series of corners at Istanbul Park on lap 41, but the pair made contact, putting Vettel out of the race and forcing Webber to pit for a new nose which dropped him to third behind the McLarens of Lewis Hamilton and Jenson Button.
Vettel, 22, had been able to close on his Australian team-mate after managing to save fuel earlier in the race, allowing him to run his engine at a higher rev limit than Webber during those crucial laps in Istanbul.
Horner says that the team were unable to allow Webber's request, due to the pace and proximity of the McLarens.
"It was quite clear that with the speed advantage the McLarens had on the straight, it was impossible to fall back into them," Horner told Autosport.
"Mark had requested the lap before to ask Sebastian to back off a bit. There was no way you could do that because of the McLarens being right there."
But Horner remains confident that the issue will not cause long-term damage to the professional relationship between the two drivers.
"We're fortunate that both our guys are mature, balanced individuals," Horner said. "Obviously emotions were running high on Sunday, but they're both professionals.
"They are probably not going to be down the pub for a drink together, but they will continue to work professionally in the manner that they have done in the forthcoming races.
"They work for the team at the end of the day and they know what the rules are."

Thoughts?

 

[92 white 0650]

Re: Holding off Macca

Horner says that the team were unable to allow Webber's request, due to the pace and proximity of the McLarens.
"It was quite clear that with the speed advantage the McLarens had on the straight, it was impossible to fall back into them," Horner told Autosport.
"Mark had requested the lap before to ask Sebastian to back off a bit. There was no way you could do that because of the McLarens being right there."

Pretty clear it was "all about Seb" at the time. I have my doubts that Vettel had to pass Webber. Webber wasn't crippled that much and if Seb had more gas and the power turned up, it would be easier for him to hold off Hamo and ensure a RB 1-2. Using their logic, asking Mark to hold off Macca would more likely have resulted in a RB 1-4 if not worse. Seb and everyone (even Hrant :biggrin knows it's easier for a faster car to defend.

Is the TV broadcast not privy to all radio transmissions? I wonder why this Webber call didn't come out earlier.

 

[sadlerau]

This episode just wont die.

http://www.grandprix.com/ns/ns22318.html

If true it does darken the outlook a lot!

Could it be that Webber had eased up to let Vettel through on that straight, but cocked it up by not giving Vettel LOTS of room. It would explain:-

1] Why Vettel had such a huge straight line advantage on that straight
2] Why Vettel moved over as sharply as he did - was he expecting Webber to have backed right out of it, giving him the room to jink over onto the racing line
3] Vettel's hand gesture as he walked away from his car - it was crazy because Webber had been supposed to move over for him?
4] The inital team announcements that the incident was Webber's fault

 

[ChopsJazz]

http://www.planetf1.com/news/3213/6185910/The-Red-Bull-Blame-Game-Continues...[/IMG]

Thoughts?

I feel like I'm in the minority here, Mach5 said it best: If MW asked the team to get SV to back off, and the team knowing that Mclarens would catch up, and also that SV was faster at that time cos he had not reached fuel saving mode. Then MW's request was not reasonable. It is thus reasonable for the team to feel that MW refusing to get out of the way for his team mate contributed more to the accident. So from a team point of view, Mark holding his line (which he was entitled to do) was only holding on to a losing lead, and SV only asked what was required of a team mate.

Everyone is attempting to blame everyone else, and only the team know all the facts.

 

[Jack Sparrow]

I feel like I'm in the minority here, Mach5 said it best:

If MW asked the team to get SV to back off, and the team knowing that Mclarens would catch up, and also that SV was faster at that time cos he had not reached fuel saving mode. Then MW's request was not reasonable. It is thus reasonable for the team to feel that MW refusing to get out of the way for his team mate contributed more to the accident. So from a team point of view, Mark holding his line (which he was entitled to do) was only holding on to a losing lead, and SV only asked what was required of a team mate.

Everyone is attempting to blame everyone else, and only the team know all the facts.

Agreed, only the team really knows what happened. Anyone wanna place bets to see if Webber stays with RBR next season?

 

[92 white 0650]

Re: Yeah, Webber is now persona non gratis

Anyone wanna place bets to see if Webber stays with RBR next season?

Not me.

Horner said this on Thursday. I'm betting lunch we never hear him say anything like that again. More like, "Adios Amigo. See ya around sometime." Mark's done at RB.

I suspect that his pride will put him in a very difficult situation. There was talk of replacing Flippy, but the Red Cars upped the ante on Mark and everybody by "extending" Flippy's contract. Unless Mikey uncharacteristically gives up and goes home, what other decent seat would be open? So, the question is, can he suck it up like old guys in a bad economy (perceived to be over the hill) and try to survive at RBR? Of course other cynics have suggested that he move to Austria from Australia, but I think it's a little late for that.

Damn, what a cruel twist of fate to have this happen when he was at his racing zenith !!!

 

[ss_md]

Not looking forward to the upcoming F1 broadcasts by Fox :frown: :frown: :frown:.

 

[Ponyboy]

Not looking forward to the upcoming F1 broadcasts by Fox :frown: :frown: :frown:.

F1 broadcasts by Fox > F1 broadcasts by CBS > not having F1 broadcast.

I actually like the Speed channel broadcasts and the mix of personalities they bring in. And since Speed is owned by Fox, the same guys will be announcing the race.