Strange NSX owners....

[Prime]

Originally posted by nsxtasy:
I love it

when I see (a) a first post (b) full of flames by someone who (c) doesn't disclose his/her e-mail address and (d) comes to our forums just to insult NSX owners. The first thought that comes to mind when I see a post from a loser like this is pretty much what he himself said:

YOU ARE A SAD SAD PERSON.

We spend time here sharing information about our cars and enjoying the camaraderie here. That's what these forums are about. Move along now, Prime, and spend your time someplace else, where you have some common interests with others. You certainly don't belong here, and your incendiary comments carry no credibility with us.

[This message has been edited by nsxtasy (edited 01 October 2002).][/B]

yes it is a first post, and the only reason i cam here to to voice my opinion. i'm sure it is not welcome, so if you don't like it, have the admin delete and ban me.

as for not showing my email address: i already get enough offer about penis enlargments (insert joke here), free porn, home loan, and work at home for $5000/week emails. i don't need anymore hatemails


i made an effort to be objective and polite in the rest of my argument, and my only insult was directed at a very select few individual. by ignoring the rest of my argument and only focusing on the offensive part of my post, i can only conclude that either:
a) you agree with the other things i said
b) you feel like the need to fan the flame, media style, by highlight only the one point i made that would benefit you
c) want to vent by calling me names

like i said, i appreciate the fact that most NSX drivers out there are wonderful people, and it is to them i apologize once again for what i've said to.

nsxtasy, since you seem to have trouble understanding the overall point of my message and thinks that i am a sad sad loser, to you i must be some shit starting hater who is below most people. however, you felt the need to flame me instead of offering counterarguments, you have just sunk to my level, whatever it may be. welcome

enough of this. i know when i'm not welcome. i have work to do anyway. have a nice day folks

[This message has been edited by Prime (edited 01 October 2002).]

 

[8000RPM]

Originally posted by Prime:


What will you ever do when Larry Ellison pulls up next to you in his McLaren and laughs at your wannabe Japanese exotic?

Ummmmm.... Larry Ellison owns *several* NSXs, including a custom factory-ordered all Sebring silver NSX.

I think the only person he will be laughing at is YOU for being clueless. LOL!

Also, you should know that many celebrities DO love and own our "wannabe Japanese exotic" car. Do a search on this site and you shall find such listing.

All these rich and famous folks must all be idiots for buying such a "wannabe."


[This message has been edited by 8000RPM (edited 01 October 2002).]

 

[8000RPM]

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[This message has been edited by 8000RPM (edited 02 October 2002).]

 

[LETZ RUN]

Not that I'd ever want to be that dude's personal mechanic, but I'm sure his cars would be in top running order.

"I love it when I see (a) a first post (b) full of flames by someone who (c) doesn't disclose his/her e-mail address and (d) comes to our forums just to insult NSX owners."

Can you really blame Prime for not giving his email address? Really? After what some of you did to me after you got ahold of some of my contact information? And just because it's someone's first post shouldn't hold any less weight than if it were the thousandth. What, are you just considered a dumb country bumpkin with no clue if it's your first post automatically?

And I wasn't going to post here again, but after Prime injected another counterpoint, got the wheels turning again, and of course PHOEN$X's ridiculous hypocritical comment about an SUV being a waste in the hands of a soccer mom. Nice backpedal by the way...I'm sure everyone bought it...seeing as how you said you're trying to get under my skin yet you have no idea ow I use my truck. You think my toolbox fit in one of those "cheap econoboxes" that you referred to. And to some people a $10,000 "econobox" isn't cheap you elitist piece of trash.

And MAKO, you are an idiot. Even though I clearly said that I've never "done anything" to the cars I hate, you still accuse me of it. Speaking of fast food places...do you know how many of the workers there HATE all the customers? Next time you go order a quarter pounder, just think about it. The person who made it just might hate you already. Just like I do. And they/I hve never even met you. Yet we both know that if we don't do our job and start messing with customers food/cars, we'd be fired in a heartbeat.

Mr. 8000RPM. I have a sneaking suspiscion that you may have been one of the people that called in and complained since you've said your car has been there. And I know who worked on your car too. Or maybe someone else on this board who's had a car in. But I just hope, that maybe you brought it in sometime, and I had a chance to get my evil hands on it. Did I get a chance to road test it? Oooh, maybe I speed tested it on highway 17? Maybe I tested your synchros by doing a few redline power shifts? You just can't be sure... So I'm sure that now, having the paranoid dellusions that you are, you'll be calling the dealer again to make them go through the records to see if I ever worked on your car/s. Go ahead and do it. You know it'll eat at you until you do. Heh heh heh...

Rob

 

[nsxtasy]

Originally posted by Prime:
by ignoring the rest of my argument and only focusing on the offensive part of my post, i can only conclude that either:
[silly conclusions deleted]

Prime, be serious. If you say five things to someone, and one of them is "F**k you a**h**e", they're going to respond to that, and ignore the other four things you said. If you don't believe that this is true, try it on your boss at work tomorrow and see what happens.

Originally posted by LETZ RUN:
"I love it when I see (a) a first post (b) full of flames by someone who (c) doesn't disclose his/her e-mail address and (d) comes to our forums just to insult NSX owners."

Can you really blame Prime for not giving his email address? Really? After what some of you did to me after you got ahold of some of my contact information? And just because it's someone's first post shouldn't hold any less weight than if it were the thousandth. What, are you just considered a dumb country bumpkin with no clue if it's your first post automatically?

You miss the point entirely, Rob (which is no surprise, considering your emotional baggage regarding NSX owners). The point is that the NSXprime forums are here for the purpose of NSX owners (and prospective NSX owners and NSX enthusiasts) to share information about our cars, and, in general, to have a good time. That's the spirit that we have around here.

There's no automatic disrespect towards anyone's first post; every one of us started out here as a newbie. And most first posts are greeted with welcome messages in response - as you can see here, and here, and here, just to choose three typical examples. However, when someone appears from out of the blue, and his very first post contains strong insults towards NSX owners, it's clear that he didn't come here to share information, or to find out about the NSX, or to meet other owners, or to have a good time. He came here to attack. And anything else he has to say is not going to carry much weight because his motivations are so clear. Just as yours are.

It is a sad, sad person who goes into a place just to attack and insult others. That's not what NSXprime is for. It's a place for NSXers to hang out and have a good time.

[This message has been edited by nsxtasy (edited 01 October 2002).]

 

[steveny]

Originally posted by nsxtasy:

However, when someone appears from out of the blue, and his very first post contains strong insults towards NSX owners, it's clear that he didn't come here to share information, or to find out about the NSX, or to meet other owners, or to have a good time. He came here to attack. And anything else he has to say is not going to carry much weight because his motivations are so clear. Just as yours are.

It is a sad, sad person who goes into a place just to attack and insult others. That's not what NSXprime is for. It's for NSXers to have a good time.[/B]

My best guess is that this person has not appeared out of the blue, but has been preempted to post here by someone else. Now that person is trying to back him up.

 

[LETZ RUN]

I didn't put anyone up to it. Everyone who defended me in one way or another did so on their own free will. But it doesn't surprise me that you'd think that. "More than one person out there can have feelings like Rob? No way! Not possible..." Must be a conspiracy right? Sure, you believe what you want.

"It is a sad, sad person who goes into a place just to attack and insult others. That's not what NSXprime is for."

Hey, I hate to tell you this...but I came here to "attack and insult" you after you people brought the attack to me. Wouldn't you say having someone fired is a pretty personal attack? And I'm just suppose to lay down and let some of these fools here be all happy about it? Guess again.

Rob

 

[BostonNSX]

I'm with NSXtasy too.
BTW I belong to the catagory of putting miles on the car everyday.

I love the NSX, its piece of art, I love to drive , bond, stick with my nsx everyday and every minute.

also I'm going to have my car serviced at Acura of Boston this friday. hope they won't have such technician there.

even through theres a guy there calling me " a fellow with NSX" but I think thats because I'm pretty "young" nothing offensive..

 

[erobbins]

Just thought I'd chime in on the fun and games to invite everyone to NSXPO in Dallas / Fort Worth on November 6-10!

Registration forms are available on the NSXCA website at:
http://www.nsxca.org/

OK... go back to whatever it was you guys were arguing about.

 

[8000RPM]

Rob - It is clear that you are desperately searching for someone other than yourself to blame for your own mistakes.

You try so hard to accuse others while failing to take responsibility for your own actions.

Let's call a spade a spade here. Rob got Rob fired. Time to start being accountable for your own actions.


[This message has been edited by 8000RPM (edited 02 October 2002).]

 

[1HOT NSX]

Well Rob, let's face it, you blew it. That's OK, we all make mistakes and yours was not worse than others. I can understand your need to seek revenge from those who called the dealership and got you fired. I understand your quest to uncover them by whatever means necessary. But, you know what? You will probably never find out who they were. Is it worth all the time and emotional upheaval you are going through to "get" these guys and pay them back? Give them what they deserve? Hardly! IMHO.

Move on, enjoy the new job if you think you are going to like this one. There is nothing wrong with not liking a particular brand of car, a particular model or their owners. The detail was in sharing the stuff on a public forum and having the owners of the dealership get all worried about their public image, and business.

Think about all the positive things in your life and make an effort to concentrate on those. Who cares about what these "snobby" owners of NSXs think, or do , or whatever. It's not worth your time, sleep or health - get over it, ignore us and you'll be much happier in the days, weeks and months to come.

 

[PHOEN$X]

Originally posted by LETZ RUN:
And I wasn't going to post here again, but after Prime injected another counterpoint, got the wheels turning again, and of course PHOEN$X's ridiculous hypocritical comment about an SUV being a waste in the hands of a soccer mom. Nice backpedal by the way...I'm sure everyone bought it...seeing as how you said you're trying to get under my skin yet you have no idea ow I use my truck. You think my toolbox fit in one of those "cheap econoboxes" that you referred to. And to some people a $10,000 "econobox" isn't cheap you elitist piece of trash.

Rob, call me elitist if you'd like; it just shows that my point--poorly stated as it may be--got through to you: we don't like to be judged by people who don't know us. As I said before:

Originally posted by PHOEN$X:
If any car--regardless of price--makes you feel like a million bucks, then it's worth every penny IMO.

I'm sorry you got fired. I hope you find more enjoyable work where you don't feel the need to insult your customers.

Have a nice life.

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[victoria_nsx]

I have a sneaking suspicion that Letz Run and Prime and Rob are one and the same. They are all defending Rob's actions using exactly the same arguments, worded in slightly different ways. Rob has a great deal of contempt for NSX owners, now more than ever, since he got fired. Rob, I guess you can't be mad at me because I don't own an NSX. I own and Audi and a Porsche, and that doesn't change my opinion of you one iota.

Here's how it works in the business world:

PROBLEM: There is a competent Acura technician who says nasty things about the cars he works on and their owners. Several customers get wind of this technician's derogatory comments. Even though he may be competent, the owners lose confidence in the dealership that employs this technician. He may be competent, but who knows for sure? Who wants to take a chance with their car? The dealership suffers the loss of several regular customers.

SOLUTION: The dealership does what it has to in order to stay in business. The problem stems from the technician's malicious statements, so it's time to clean house and get rid of one expendable technician rather than continue to bleed customer goodwill. The technician may have been competent, but his comments could negatively affect business. That, my friend, is grounds for firing. I'm a business person, and a nice one at that (or so my employees tell me), but I wouldn't hesitate to can you if you kicked me where I live. Buh-bye.

 

[Wolf]

Originally posted by victoria_nsx:
I have a sneaking suspicion that Letz Run and Prime and Rob are one and the same.

I can assure you LetzRun and Rob are different people. Don't know who Prime is.

Everyone here is saying "Rob got Rob fired". Let's reverse the situation. I'm sure all you lovely people have never once come home from work and complained to a family member or friend about an incompetent customer you had to deal with? You all hold your company's customers high on a pedistal, and would never say anything negative about any of them, right?

Give me a break, everyone has dealt with a customer that they didn't like, whether it's the person's actions (bald drive tires and burned up clutch in a road car, not a drag car), their attitude, or anything else. And I'm sure everyone has either complained about or made fun of at least one of these customers. The difference between Rob and any of you is that Rob's comments made it back to the man in charge, and that man was so worried about kissing up to the rich customers that he terminated Rob.
It could have just as easily been any one of you.



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86 Mustang SVO - 2.3L Turbo
01 Suzuki SV650

 

[LETZ RUN]

OK...I guess people can't read as well. One more time for you all in the cheap seats.

I didn't put anyone up to it. Everyone who defended me in one way or another did so on their own free will. But it doesn't surprise me that you'd think that. "More than one person out there can have feelings like Rob? No way! Not possible..." Must be a conspiracy right? Sure, you believe what you want.

Like I said, you believe what you want. I suppose that now you'll think Wolf is also now part of the LETZ RUN/Prime/Rob single entity that you think is posting here. Sorry guys, but I guess they're giving me credit for your writing. I can't help it, they're idiots.

Rob

 

[Darkcyd]

Originally posted by Wolf:
Everyone here is saying "Rob got Rob fired". Let's reverse the situation. I'm sure all you lovely people have never once come home from work and complained to a family member or friend about an incompetent customer you had to deal with? You all hold your company's customers high on a pedistal, and would never say anything negative about any of them, right?

Give me a break, everyone has dealt with a customer that they didn't like, whether it's the person's actions (bald drive tires and burned up clutch in a road car, not a drag car), their attitude, or anything else. And I'm sure everyone has either complained about or made fun of at least one of these customers. The difference between Rob and any of you is that Rob's comments made it back to the man in charge, and that man was so worried about kissing up to the rich customers that he terminated Rob.
It could have just as easily been any one of you.

You're right. Every one of us has at one point or another disclosed to someone close to us some complaint about work.

The difference here is, that we didn't go stand in the middle of a busy intersection in downtown with a loudspeaker and declare our bitter distaste for our products and customers.

Rob decided to go public in a big way. Rob decided to say the things he said and say them more than once... or twice... or three times. Rob decided to not only be opinionated about the cars, he decided to badmouth their owners. Are we seeing a trend here?

Yes, Rob got Rob fired because of the decisions he made. It's that simple. It's kind of like if you decided to drive around town shouting obscenities at other drivers on the road. Sure, you may have freedom of speech. Just don't be surprised when you get pulled over.

As for whoever called his dealership, u can't blame them. They were protecting their assets. They bought a product from a dealership and expected good service on it. Having a master tech at your dealership say nasty things about your product all day long is not confidence inspiring. Yeah, you MAY get competent service inspite of their personal opinions, but do you really want to take a chance? Regardless of what car you are driving? It's still an investment of a lot of money.

As well, I think victoria nsx stated the dealership mentality perfectly.

 

[PHOEN$X]

Originally posted by Wolf:
Everyone here is saying "Rob got Rob fired". Let's reverse the situation. I'm sure all you lovely people have never once come home from work and complained to a family member or friend about an incompetent customer you had to deal with? You all hold your company's customers high on a pedistal, and would never say anything negative about any of them, right?

Obviously you fail to understand the distinction.

It's one thing to say something in confidence to a relative or friend. It's quite another to post something in a public forum where your company's customers (and possibly fellow employees) are known to frequent. If I badmouthed my employer's products/services/customers on such a forum, not only would I expect to be disciplined, but I would be surprised if I were not.

A similar incident befell my college roommate. He worked as a claims adjuster for a large insurance company, and posted something on an anti-company website about a case he had worked on to the effect that he thought the settlement was less than fair. The other party caught wind of it, and filed a law suit. He was dismissed as a result (also for violating customer confidentiality, coincidentally).

What you say, and where you say it can make an enormous difference on the impact it has on your life. It's just unfortunate that Rob did not realize this, and lost his job as a result.

[This message has been edited by PHOEN$X (edited 02 October 2002).]

 

[Tony Montoya]

Why would you not like me just because I never wash or wax my car, the tires are down to the cord, and it's 12 years old and I haven't done the timing belt? That's my business, except for the tires which are a police matter.

[This message has been edited by Tony Montoya (edited 02 October 2002).]

 

[BostonNSX]

look..
user wolf just register today or yesturday ( oct 2002 )and hes defending....someone.?

would wolf + letzrun + Rob + ??? = N

[This message has been edited by BostonNSX (edited 02 October 2002).]

 

[Viper Driver]

Originally posted by LETZ RUN:
Hey, I hate to tell you this...but I came here to "attack and insult" you after you people brought the attack to me. Wouldn't you say having someone fired is a pretty personal attack? And I'm just suppose to lay down and let some of these fools here be all happy about it? Guess again.

Rob

Ladies and gentlemen of the jury, let me direct you to "Exhibit A"-
http://www.acuramdx.org/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=7618

Originally Posted by TheROBSJ on 9-26-02 at 8:48 a.m.:
NSX owners are very strange sometimes...
Since it seems to be NSX week at our dealer for some reason or another, I've seen quite a few dum dums this past week.

One owner apparently thinks that the NSX is a great drag car even though it could get walked by an 18 year old kid in a new Z28. The rear tires are bald, while the fronts show no signs of hard cornering (something the NSX is more suited for), and the clutch is shot. 90 grand, and in 18,000 miles, this dude has to shell out over $3000 for a new clutch and tires.

Another owner, a very prominent person in Apple computer history, paid 90 grand for a car he has driven a whopping 2800 miles in 4 years. His license plate frame says "My other car is an NSX" which is his wife's NSX. Another $90k car that doesn't see alot of miles.

Another owner has had his parked on our lot for two weeks now. Waiting for a replacement engine. Unwilling to pay the over $15 grand for a new Honda long block, he has decided to source a used one from Japan. By the way...it's the SECOND engine he's blown up.

This has nothing to do with the owner, but how would you like to buy one of these used, then find out you need a $2500 timing belt/water pump job done? As one owner found out this week.

One owner takes his $90k car through the automatic car wash. But wait! The track is too wide for the NSX, and the inside of the rear tires have been cut down to the belts.

And finally, two of these owners who bought this "pure sports car" decided to select an automatic transmission. Can't imagine they'll be seeing much track time...

There's plenty of really big fools out there even dumber than this, but since their cars weren't in this week, I won't tell you about them yet.

Rob

It seems to me that you fired the first shots, Rob, and you got what you deserved. Sure, we brought the fight to you, but let's be crystal clear on who the instigator was. It was YOU, Rob.

I'd also like to add that my daily driver is a 1996 Chevy Z71 K1500, and I love it. One sad fact, however, is that it's been in the shop more than my NSX has and I've actually put more miles on the Acura this year because of that. Not bagging on your hero GM/Chevrolet, but your assertion that Chevrolet is somehow miles ahead of Acura/Honda is just plain garbage IMHO.

Adios!

Chuck
NSX Owner and proud of it
Chevy owner and proud of it


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'91 Black/Ivory NSX
'89 Gray/Gray F-16C

 

[Wolf]

Originally posted by BostonNSX:
look..
user wolf just register today or yesturday ( oct 2002 )and hes defending....someone.?

would wolf + letzrun + Rob + ??? = N

[This message has been edited by BostonNSX (edited 02 October 2002).]

Whoop dee fricken doo... I've seen links to this thread in 2 other message boards, one of which both LetzRun and Rob post on, so I know them. If you still think it's a big conspiracy, have a mod check our IPs.

(You and victoria_nsx are gonna make me start thinking all NSX owners are mental)

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86 Mustang SVO - 2.3L Turbo
01 Suzuki SV650

 

[hyuan]

I'm not quite sure what all of this discussion is about. However, it is entertaining.

Rob was fired for violating his dealership's confidentiality agreement. Rob does not deny this.

This has nothing to do with who blew the whistle. You do the crime, you do the time. With the amount of information that was being divulged about clients that patronize Los Gatos Acura, he was bound to get in trouble one day.

Rob and friends, you don't really have a point. Rob violated his employer's policy and got fired. It's just that simple. I'm sure these things happen all the time, but Rob decided to do it on the Internet and got caught.

Next time, be mindful of the employee documents you sign when you are hired and maybe you won't get fired. Don't blame other people for getting you fired. You did something that violated your former company's confidentiality policy and you are paying for it now.

Justice has been served. Good luck in your next post.

 

[effer]

Maybe I'm naive or wrong but I just can't believe someone who says that beside the fact that he hates the products he is working on and the fact that he also hates theirs owners, he still can make a perfect job on these products and towards theirs owners.

There will always be a doubt and IMO someday sometime he won't be able to stop his anger and not let it spread on its work...

Knowing that, for sure, I would not let him work on my car.

Maybe you are like me but IMC it is always the same guy who works on my NSX and I have invested some time to have a very friendly and personnal relation with him.


Question to Rob:

As a customer and strickly businessly speaking, wouldn't you be afraid to give your car to such a person who shows no respect for your product?

Be impartial. Think from that standpoint, not yours...

The answer will be NO!

You will have a doubt and you will believe that in his hands your probabilities of having a bad job done someday will be greater than in the hands of another one, especially if he doesn't hate the product and customers...( I know, these aren't the only relevant aspect in such a competence evaluation but all things being equals... )

I don't know you, and maybe you are a very honest person in saying that YOU CAN AT ALL TIME REGARDLESS OF YOUR EMOTIONS PERFORM A PERFECT JOB ON A PRODUCT YOU HATE FROM OWNER YOU HATE.

But if you are able to do so, you should have been able to demonstrate it has effectively as you demonstrated that you hate those products and owners!!!

You made a mistake and thus you broke the confidence bond between you and the customers and worsly with your employer...

You did it. You. You...

Don't search any farer...

Sorry hoping that you do something that will make you happy...

Hope you'll learn from this...

With my respects

effer

 

[effer]

Erratum!

Originally posted by effer:


Question to Rob:

As a customer and strickly businessly speaking, wouldn't you be afraid to give your car to such a person who shows no respect for your product?

Be impartial. Think from that standpoint, not yours...

The answer will be YES!

effer

Sorry because I changed my sentence formulation and forgot to adjust the answer!

Sorry again!

 

[nsxtasy]

Originally posted by effer:
Maybe you are like me but IMC it is always the same guy who works on my NSX and I have invested some time to have a very friendly and personnal relation with him.

Same here.