How much did your new Turbo setup cost you, if you don't mind my asking. What kind of fuel management are you running? Any dyno #'s for hp and tq? Thanks in advance.
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Tampa bay
The car is coming back out of the Gerry's shop in a couple of weeks. The engine will be capable of handling 20 psi of boost and will be putting down 500-600 rwhp and 500+lb tq. The car will be setup almost the same as Gerry's car minus the NO2. I have spent well over 20k on the motor and turbo setup. I am using an Electromotive for engine management. I will post the dyno results after we go.
The car is coming back out of the Gerry's shop in a couple of weeks. The engine will be capable of handling 20 psi of boost and will be putting down 500-600 rwhp and 500+lb tq. The car will be setup almost the same as Gerry's car minus the NO2. I have spent well over 20k on the motor and turbo setup. I am using an Electromotive for engine management. I will post the dyno results after we go.
Turbo NSX said:Tampa bay
The car is coming back out of the Gerry's shop in a couple of weeks. The engine will be capable of handling 20 psi of boost and will be putting down 500-600 rwhp and 500+lb tq. The car will be setup almost the same as Gerry's car minus the NO2. I have spent well over 20k on the motor and turbo setup. I am using an Electromotive for engine management. I will post the dyno results after we go.
Comparing apples and oranges, $6000.00 BBSC kit with 8lbs of boost and as you say over $20,000.00 GJ 20lb kit , three times the boost for three times the money how fast you go depends how deep your pockets are.
Enjoy the kit
Armando
MiamieNeSeX said:
Originally I spent around 8k for the Turbo and Engine management. Running 8-10psi.
BTW the BBSC was not 8psi. More like 4psi
Turbo NSX said:Tampa bay
I have spent well over 20k on the motor and turbo setup. I am using an Electromotive for engine management. I will post the dyno results after we go.
4lb BBSC kit hmmmmm must have been custom made then.
Maybe what TurboNSX was trying to say is that although it was a 6lb kit he only realized 4lbs of actual boost?MiamieNeSeX said:
As to comparing apples to oranges, I'm not sure that's accurate. You can do a GJ turbo at 8psi without having to do any internal work just as with the base BBSC. While I have only felt the full-blown high boost GJ setup, I would place my bet on the low boost GJ trurbo against the base BBSC in terms of power. I think TurboNSX can give better feedback, as he started out with a low boost GJ setup, then later decided to go high boost with internal work.
Then again, we can also compare those who have done high boost BBSC's against the high boost GJ turbo, should a HB BBSC owner be willing.
KGP said:Maybe what TurboNSX was trying to say is that although it was a 6lb kit he only realized 4lbs of actual boost?
As to comparing apples to oranges, I'm not sure that's accurate. You can do a GJ turbo at 8psi without having to do any internal work just as with the base BBSC. While I have only felt the full-blown high boost GJ setup, I would place my bet on the low boost GJ trurbo against the base BBSC in terms of power. I think TurboNSX can give better feedback, as he started out with a low boost GJ setup, then later decided to go high boost with internal work.
Then again, we can also compare those who have done high boost BBSC's against the high boost GJ turbo, should a HB BBSC owner be willing.
I was just comenting on his post stating what he spent and the system he put in, 20lbs for over 20,000 I never do like most do here and knock what they dont have.
Armando
Yea, I hear ya. I wasn't being critical or anything.MiamieNeSeX said:
What TurboNSX didn't mention is what he initially spent with GJ, which is much more in-line with what a BBSC costs. As to the difference in both "base kits," TurboNSX can comment as he's probably one of one or two that has owned both.Edit: Whoops, yes he did say what he initially spent.
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Was thinking
Geez, it didn't occur to me that you might be directing that statement towards me? If so, I own a BBSC, just don't advertise it bellow each post with a signature.MiamieNeSeX said:
was thinking also
Why have we never heard of how much HP a high boost BBSC NSX makes? How much boost are they running? Dyno plots? I hear alot of TALK about them though. WHERE ARE THEY? They have spent an extra $10k on the engine and not a peep? I wonder why?
When I had the BBSC it consistently boosted around 4-5 psi I would occasionally hit 6psi if I took the car all the way to the red.
Comparing both kits running the same boost isn't really a comparison. I will just say this 8-10 psi at 3000 rpm (turbo) or 4-6psi at redline (BBSC)....This isn't rocket science. The turbo kicks in early and pulls hard all the way to redline. The BBSC doesn't change any acceleration under 6000 rpm and after that it is not a whole lot more then stock. Of course then there is always the oil bath all over the engine compartment that I enjoyed cleaning up on a regular BBSC basis.
KGP said:Maybe what TurboNSX was trying to say is that although it was a 6lb kit he only realized 4lbs of actual boost?
As to comparing apples to oranges, I'm not sure that's accurate. You can do a GJ turbo at 8psi without having to do any internal work just as with the base BBSC. While I have only felt the full-blown high boost GJ setup, I would place my bet on the low boost GJ trurbo against the base BBSC in terms of power. I think TurboNSX can give better feedback, as he started out with a low boost GJ setup, then later decided to go high boost with internal work.
Then again, we can also compare those who have done high boost BBSC's against the high boost GJ turbo, should a HB BBSC owner be willing.
Why have we never heard of how much HP a high boost BBSC NSX makes? How much boost are they running? Dyno plots? I hear alot of TALK about them though. WHERE ARE THEY? They have spent an extra $10k on the engine and not a peep? I wonder why?
When I had the BBSC it consistently boosted around 4-5 psi I would occasionally hit 6psi if I took the car all the way to the red.
Comparing both kits running the same boost isn't really a comparison. I will just say this 8-10 psi at 3000 rpm (turbo) or 4-6psi at redline (BBSC)....This isn't rocket science. The turbo kicks in early and pulls hard all the way to redline. The BBSC doesn't change any acceleration under 6000 rpm and after that it is not a whole lot more then stock. Of course then there is always the oil bath all over the engine compartment that I enjoyed cleaning up on a regular BBSC basis.
Here is a high boost BBSC with 405hp.
http://www.nsxprime.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=20903
Brian
Cant wait to see your car.
http://www.nsxprime.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=20903
Brian
Cant wait to see your car.
MiamieNeSeX said:
Yes, and it looks like he did a nice job. But, my Novi1k 6lb dyno'd at 369. I know his is an OBDII car, so that is where a lot of the extra work came in, but for a "high boost" BBSC he only got ~36 more hp than mine?prova4re said:
Me three!
Wasnt his car converted to ODB1? I am getting similar HP numbers with standard bbsc set up on my 3.2.
Are you kidding? I can feel it kick in around 3500, and Hit 8000 Really really fast. As for the oil, have yet to experience that. Not knocking any turbo set up at all. But just like NSX modified turbos, compared to Gerry's turbos, theres sure to be differences among each individual set up even though they are in the same category. IM sure the same is true for any supercharger set-up.
No, more like say, peaches & rutebega's?MiamieNeSeX said:
When you consider that almost 1/3 of the cost of the GJTC 8lb kit is in the TEC3, (which IMO would seem like an almost essential addition to a BBSC to control the engine management more appropriately - not just for power, to reliably keep it from damaging motors!) - then it starts to actually make the turbo less expensive from the hardware side.
Then the difference in performance is night & day - I have owned neither, but driven both. It's all about the torque guys - everyone always gets so hung up on peak horsepower & it doesn't mean squat as far as I'm concerned. The difference in having full boost (whether that be 8 or 20) available at 3500rpm with all the associated torque is where it's at! Shifting at 5K will still give you incredible accelaration.
Just don't want anyone to get the impresion the GJTC is a $20k wet-dream only option. For me, the 8lb kit is more than plenty (& I suspect would be for most other than those who want the bragging rights) - it'll still blow the doors off any BBSC or CTSC out there.
Incidentally I have also driven a "high-boost" CTSC and am generally impressed by that - it also has more mid-range torque advantage over stock, quite noticably, although again pales next to turbo. It of course is an attractive option for those who require CARB legality & freedom from smog hassles.
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Yes. What I was trying to say was that I know a lot of the trouble and expense was related to the OBDII to OBDI conversion.donwon said:
Kidding? Difference is night and day. I have experienced the oil bath as well. I think most people will only experience it under track-like condidtions. There is a good thread about the whole issue if you want to search and read. Also, seems that GJ is the only one who re-works and modify's the valve cover to help eliminate this issue.
Turbo NSX said:
Maybe some of us don't have as much time on our hands to argue like highschool kids back and forth. I posted my results when the car was finished - got some nice feedback - end of story.
donwon said:
KGP said:
Happy dynos, otherwise known as "magic" dynos, are great! Now seriously, I have dyno tested the car at three different dyno facilities and got three different numbers - what a surprise! So to be fair to the group here do I post the 457 hp from the shop across town or the 405 hp results I got in-house at our facility? If you want to see some really awesome numbers, I can go make a quick parameter change in the dyno software and show 500 plus whp. I trust our dyno's accuracy and the fuel consumption numbers match my results. I'm not in the business of bragging rights - there's no money in it
.By the way, what happened to the original topic called "installed my bbsc........ "
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Yes I did - sorry - it was me who came up with the GJTC acronym - I thought it was a fun play on JGTC.STOCKTONSX said:D'ecosse, don't you mean the GJTC kit?
ravi
Any dyno results from the 8 PSI GJ turbo kit.
emvanderpol said:
I didn't make it to the dyno before I decided to take the plung and build the motor. When the car is complete in a couple of weeks I will post the dyno results. If we have time I will take an 8psi pass as well.
D'Ecosse said:
In my limited experience and knowing a few highboost NSX'ers, most smog checks in Cali would require the bigger injectors and pulley be removed to pass the sniffer. Unless you know the right people(or wrong people)
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By the way, what happened to the original topic called "installed my bbsc........ "
It got hijacked when Turbo NSX started bragging about how the GJ turbo kit is the supreme forced induction configuration. That may or may not be, depending on what the user is looking for. However, comparing these two kits is such a ridiculous apples-to-oranges comparison.
It got hijacked when Turbo NSX started bragging about how the GJ turbo kit is the supreme forced induction configuration. That may or may not be, depending on what the user is looking for. However, comparing these two kits is such a ridiculous apples-to-oranges comparison.
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