installed my bbsc........

Brian2by2 said:
does the HKS make the same typical turbo "Whooosh" sound??? :D

[sarcasm] Don't waste your money on a turbo or supercharger system with a bov. For the best sound this system can't be beat! :D

The horsepower game is just a waste of time. Our cars are fast enough the way they are. [/sarcasm]

http://www.sunamiturbo.com
 
It is not a matter of the system not functioning properly, it is a matter of the system not being tuned properly. Those are two different issues. It is up to the installer to tune the kit to the car. Unlike the CTSC that needs no tuning, when a BBSC is moved from car to car, it needs re-adjustment.

Amen, Word, True, to that.
 
AndyVecsey said:
Isn't anyone else concerned that the two newest BBSC installs with the latest software etc. are not functioning properly???

It is not a matter of the system not functioning properly, it is a matter of the system not being tuned properly. Those are two different issues. It is up to the installer to tune the kit to the car. Unlike the CTSC that needs no tuning, when a BBSC is moved from car to car, it needs re-adjustment.

Are there any classes, manuals, instruction booklets, programs, videos, anything for a nomally qualified supercharger mechanic/installer to learn the tuning process that is obviously BBSC/NSX specific, or is it learned through osmosis from Mark himself. I simply cant believe people are buying any of these kits knowing that only a very small pecentage of them are actually working and that was only after tons of tuning and added expense,ie:dyno time, labor for tuning, extra parts, upgrading this and that????
I'd like to know exactly how many kits have been sold and how many are working to the customers satisfaction, and of the satisfied customers, what did they have to do to get to that point? There just seems to be a huge cloud of mystery surrounding the BBSC.:confused:
 
SNDSOUL said:
Are there any classes, manuals, instruction booklets, programs, videos, anything for a nomally qualified supercharger mechanic/installer to learn the tuning process that is obviously BBSC/NSX specific, or is it learned through osmosis from Mark himself. I simply cant believe people are buying any of these kits knowing that only a very small pecentage of them are actually working and that was only after tons of tuning and added expense,ie:dyno time, labor for tuning, extra parts, upgrading this and that????
I'd like to know exactly how many kits have been sold and how many are working to the customers satisfaction, and of the satisfied customers, what did they have to do to get to that point? There just seems to be a huge cloud of mystery surrounding the BBSC.:confused:

The installing tech dose not need to be a supercharger expert but he does need to know how to tune whichever fuel management system you are using.
 
i agree ...my car runs fine but i have a check engin light on when i pass 7k ..it code 9 p1381..and i have checked out the sensor and nothing is wrong with it ..i an gonna re check it again just for the hell of it ..so my issue doesnt seem to be a tunnig issue i can resolve my self i need mark to help on this techincal issue..;) ..but my car runs and runs hard but the car is in limp mode..and runs way to rich...and also my car is boosting awsome..:D i just need to get this light of to complete my tunnig ..to max power ..and i am very happy the kit is awsome ..just have to be patient..!! but i think it worth evey penny..
 
I would have to agree with Ben, our situations being similar. I have different engine codes, but the shop i took it to sent to is questionable. With Marks help i have been able to my car running near like it should, but am still having some techincal issues. I cant speak on Bens behalf, but it is my opinion that the problems im having are from the installer and not from the product as i know of a few ppl with the same sc and no issues since it was installed. Btw .... Looking good Ben.
 
I agree with Andy on this one. the car needs dyno time and a TUNER up to the task. Ben awesome pic of engine cab,did you evr post any pics of the car overall?
BTW for you doom sayers out there that dont run any brand S/C,Turbo or nitrous I have noticed alot of nay sayers and smack talkers of late stating doom on you all (F/I) GUYS. I could understand if the doom on you fellows were truly interested in going one of the routes and gathering info to be an educated buyer but thats not how you are coming off....du ma nui.

critical input is welcome in F/I Nitrous. when it is serious dialog meant to educate or try and understand. if thats not the case stick to the 'non' tech forums where you can post B/S all day. its as if you cannot wait for another problem to arise so you can point your finger and say ahh told you so. step off. this is not directed at a certain forum member that posted to the thread that had a real issue outside his control resulting in something very bad. I want you all to think back when MB was considered a god to all of you, when the arrival of the AEM was heaven sent so on and so on. growing pains gentlemen growing pains
 
BadCarma said:
du ma nui.

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Plug and Play SC's are rare on low production volume cars. I applaud Comptech for what they have achieved... at least with the "standard" 6psi kit. Their 9psi, on the other hand, would appear to be running a little lean based on some recent posts here on the forum. CT is at the limits of what they have achieved with an elegantly simple approach to engine management. Essentially, the CT makes no use of electronics and relies almost completely on a mechanical FMU. Again, they have my sincere respect. For those who have test-driven the CT and determined that it meets their requirements, it is an outstandingly good solution.

However, the CTSC is virtually non-extensible after the 9psi option. In fact, the 9psi truly does add add'l power but with that a lot of extra heat as the SC is nearing its limitations. (Of course the trade-off is that the CTSC has class-leading low-end characteristics.) With the 9psi kit you have to be careful for the aforementioned reasons and there's really no upside beyond that.

As most of you know, I have the BBSC. I was an early install, and I will admit that one of the principal reasons I chose the BBSC over the CT was because of the (at the time) attractive cost. However, I also knew that the BBSC had some very intriguing upside potential. Intercooling and higher boost levels were definitely possible - both inherently possible because of the mechanical config and components in the BBSC kit vs the CT. The BBSC allegedly more sophisticated engine management techniques also seemed to be extensible to match the mechanical upgrades that were possible.

I think it has taken far longer than anyone imagined to get the engine management components and tuning in line with expectations. With the new SS-box and the option ($$$) to go with AEM or the like, we are arguably there. I was one who invested tons of time and energy into the tuning of the BBSC - and admittely it is somthing I enjoy as much as I like to bitch about it here on the forum and to MB in person.

The reality is that my BBSC - even with the old SS-box was running just about perfectly - with very good a/f's across the board. I have been continuously anal about running with cooler plugs, on-board wideband, cool air intake, etc. Additionally, I was checking plug condition regularly to confirm what the wideband was saying about a/f's.

Tonight I am sitting here programming a new set of tables for the new ss box. The new box is in the garage and ready to go and I'm hopeful that with the same tables as the old box, I will enjoy the same a/f and timing characteristics. I will double check, of course.

If all is well - which I expect it to be, it will be time to move into the next phase. I'm perfectly happy with the HP at 8K where 6psi gives 400RWHP. However, I would like to install a 9psi pully in order to get more boost at lower rpms while finding a way to clip it at 6psi for the top end.

Conclusion: If you want plug and play and are satisfied with the performance that the CT can deliver - go for it. It is a great kit from a great, professional company.

If you like to tinker (or minimally don't mind it), and you want to have even a higher level of performance, then the BBSC may be good kit for you.

Finally, the best (conceptually) system for the NSX will be a turbo - where boost can be achieved very low in the rpm range. I really am wishing the best of luck to FactorX to get their system worked out. I think it can be great.
 
when it is serious dialog meant to educate or try and understand.
I may not be a smart as some people in areas but that doesn't mean I'm not trying to educate others on what they are going thru currently and help them understand what to expect.

its as if you cannot wait for another problem to arise so you can point your finger and say ahh told you so.
I absolutely hate to see it. Whenever I do hear of it, you will notice that I'm always there expressly my sorrow that something has happened to the car. :( Please prove me otherwise.
this is not directed at a certain forum member
Yeah right.
I want you all to think back when MB was considered a god to all of you,
I surely did, no doubt. I had never even met the man but was going strictly on reputation when I plopped down the $$$ on his BBSC. Did you??? No, then you can't say anything about that subject.
As a matter of fact, when I first started posting on this board, I even started a thread because I heard somebody locally make a comment about how MB wasn't all that great. I took exception to that and took up for the man, without even knowing him.:eek:
when the arrival of the AEM was heaven sent so on and so on
I don't ever recall saying the AEM was 'heaven sent'. I was offered the chance to buy one at a 'special price' that didn't turn out so special after all. Besides, that system isn't quite ready for the NSX from what I have heard. Although I'm sure somebody will be quick to correct me if it has been.
Also, when I bought the kit it didn't say and I wasn't told that the box in charge of timing and such wasn't going to be able to do the job and later on I would have to spend another couple of grand buying one that MIGHT. Well, if the AEM was so great, why have I been told that the new SS box cures all the problems. When does it end?????
People should be made aware from the very beginning that the kit isn't perfect and you can just bolt it on the car and go. Even after tuning, issues can and do come up. I'm living proof of that.
Conclusion: If you want plug and play and are satisfied with the performance that the CT can deliver - go for it. It is a great kit from a great, professional company
That is put very well and is very accurate.
If you like to tinker (or minimally don't mind it), and you want to have even a higher level of performance, then the BBSC may be good kit for you.
That is exactly would should be stated in the web site also.
The reality is that my BBSC - even with the old SS-box was running just about perfectly -
Despite the fact of what others think, I'm very glad to hear that. I don't wish ill fate on anyone. Heck, I wish I still had mine and it ran properly.:(
One last note. When my car first broke, I would occasionally get to speak with MB about the repairs. For the longest time I accepted the fact that I would have to send the car to him to get the repairs. We had even briefly discussed going low compression higher boost with it also. I admittedly was pretty excited about the thought of that. If I had gotten a quicker reponse from anybody associated with getting it taken care off, I was ready to go that route. However when the months began to drag on and on and I realized that if in fact I did have another problem with the car and that it could take this long again, I then decided to remove the BBSC upon repair of the car. I wanted so badly to keep it but couldn't justify it to myself any longer. I guess reality sank in and I was extremely disappointed in the whole thing. Very sad for me.
However, now I couldn't be happier being N/A and I wish nothing but the best of luck to MB in his FI ventures. Honestly.
 
92NSX said:
I may not be a smart as some people in areas but that doesn't mean I'm not trying to educate others on what they are going thru currently and help them understand what to expect.


I absolutely hate to see it. Whenever I do hear of it, you will notice that I'm always there expressly my sorrow that something has happened to the car. :( Please prove me otherwise.

Yeah right.

I surely did, no doubt. I had never even met the man but was going strictly on reputation when I plopped down the $$$ on his BBSC. Did you??? No, then you can't say anything about that subject.
As a matter of fact, when I first started posting on this board, I even started a thread because I heard somebody locally make a comment about how MB wasn't all that great. I took exception to that and took up for the man, without even knowing him.:eek:

I don't ever recall saying the AEM was 'heaven sent'. I was offered the chance to buy one at a 'special price' that didn't turn out so special after all. Besides, that system isn't quite ready for the NSX from what I have heard. Although I'm sure somebody will be quick to correct me if it has been.
Also, when I bought the kit it didn't say and I wasn't told that the box in charge of timing and such wasn't going to be able to do the job and later on I would have to spend another couple of grand buying one that MIGHT. Well, if the AEM was so great, why have I been told that the new SS box cures all the problems. When does it end?????
People should be made aware from the very beginning that the kit isn't perfect and you can just bolt it on the car and go. Even after tuning, issues can and do come up. I'm living proof of that.

That is put very well and is very accurate.

That is exactly would should be stated in the web site also.

Despite the fact of what others think, I'm very glad to hear that. I don't wish ill fate on anyone. Heck, I wish I still had mine and it ran properly.:(
One last note. When my car first broke, I would occasionally get to speak with MB about the repairs. For the longest time I accepted the fact that I would have to send the car to him to get the repairs. We had even briefly discussed going low compression higher boost with it also. I admittedly was pretty excited about the thought of that. If I had gotten a quicker reponse from anybody associated with getting it taken care off, I was ready to go that route. However when the months began to drag on and on and I realized that if in fact I did have another problem with the car and that it could take this long again, I then decided to remove the BBSC upon repair of the car. I wanted so badly to keep it but couldn't justify it to myself any longer. I guess reality sank in and I was extremely disappointed in the whole thing. Very sad for me.
However, now I couldn't be happier being N/A and I wish nothing but the best of luck to MB in his FI ventures. Honestly.

Maurice, the POST was not directed at you,but looks as if you have directed it at yourself. infact yours was a very unfortunate experience. because you did post to the thread I did NOT want you to think I was pointing the finger at you as I am well to aware of what happened.stop being so defensive. as for the AEM the point was that everyone rushed out and bought one and not many are tuned to perfection.dude you need to chill. not everything is about you or what transpired with your car
 
92, I too love reading what you have to say about your experience with the force induction. BBSC/nos/turbo have come across my mind many times, and reading post from member like yourself and others really help fine tune my decision. Thank You.:)
 
Si said:
92, I too love reading what you have to say about your experience with the force induction. BBSC/nos/turbo have come across my mind many times, and reading post from member like yourself and others really help fine tune my decision. Thank You.:)
It really makes me feel good to hear people say that. My sincerest thanks. :)
 
You guys are having way too much fun with nitrous. With a 100 shot on an almost brand-new NSX - which is pretty fast to begin with, who is going to challenge you?
 
I've learnt something

Before I was bit scared about installing turbo onto the NSX engine. I fear that the engine will fail. Now I think it is okay so long that you don't really push your enigne capablity too hard. I think people here are very brave to experiment their engine in order to find what turbo machine are best suited.

People always talk about NSX being beaten by Supra or GTR and that's because they are using turbo. So what if we have one also in our car?

All engine break if you push them too hard. Point is you can install anything to improve your engine performance, just don't be greedy.

For all the SC and TC people here Good Luck!
 
SS Upgrade

Tonight I am sitting here programming a new set of tables for the new ss box. The new box is in the garage and ready to go and I'm hopeful that with the same tables as the old box, I will enjoy the same a/f and timing characteristics.

Hey Kendall - are you really creating new table values? Why not just copy-n-paste Map A and Map B from the old SS to the new SS? Have you installed the SS yet? If so, how long did it take you?
 
NSX being beaten by Supra or GTR and that's because they are using turbo

What do you mean by being beaten? Just 1/4 mile? Two different cars I think. I highly doubt that neither of those cars can outhandle the NSX.
 
BadCarma said:
I agree with Andy on this one. the car needs dyno time and a TUNER up to the task. Ben awesome pic of engine cab,did you evr post any pics of the car overall?
BTW for you doom sayers out there that dont run any brand S/C,Turbo or nitrous I have noticed alot of nay sayers and smack talkers of late stating doom on you all (F/I) GUYS. I could understand if the doom on you fellows were truly interested in going one of the routes and gathering info to be an educated buyer but thats not how you are coming off....du ma nui.

critical input is welcome in F/I Nitrous. when it is serious dialog meant to educate or try and understand. if thats not the case stick to the 'non' tech forums where you can post B/S all day. its as if you cannot wait for another problem to arise so you can point your finger and say ahh told you so. step off. this is not directed at a certain forum member that posted to the thread that had a real issue outside his control resulting in something very bad. I want you all to think back when MB was considered a god to all of you, when the arrival of the AEM was heaven sent so on and so on. growing pains gentlemen growing pains

David, Do you own a forced induction kit? I have had two, on the same NSX. The first one a BBSC and the second one a Gerry Johnson turbo. Why did I go turbo after blowing $6k because it is a piece of crap. WHERE IS THE TORQUE? It never performed as expected from the first day I took it home. What a disppointment. I would race my buddy with a stock 97 and barely pull on him at red line. I had constant detonation issues (so loud that I actually thought it was my CV joint going bad) and getting a hold of MB was a F%^&ng joke.

The only cars that are running correctly are the ones running aftermarket ECU's, wideband O2, and all sorts of other crap to make sure the system is running correctly and doesn't blow their motors. How much money have they spent to get them running right?

I hardly think that these people on here are doom sayers or that this is all BS. It's not. It is a warning to make sure that you understand that if you buy this system, there is very limited support and it is still not perfected. There are alot of blown motors and unhappy customers out there to argue anymore about this.

IMO I cannot believe people are still buying this system after seeing numerous posts of blown motors and constant complaints. I really feel for you all. It is really unfortunate that perspective buyers cannot have access to the yahoo BBSC board to see the real scoop on the system. The reason you never see very many complaints on this board about the system is because they are too scared they may move to last in line or worse for future support. How do I know this, I have been there.

For those few of you that think this system performs the way you expect, good for you. I wish you and your engine, the best of luck. When you are ready for real performance, go TURBO.........
 
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