Factory 2013 NSX info sent to dealers

...just want to make sure.

Jan 14th, 2012
Ride on airplane to Detroit Metro, hop rental car shuttle, get car, drive east on 94 to 75 south to Cobo, park in Cobo garage, buy ticket to NAIAS, perhaps take in a hockey game at Joe Louis Arena with Detroit Primers, the RedWings are playing the Blackhawks on Saturday at 12:30, then go to the auto show, elbow a LOT of people, see car, hit on the model, take pictures, hunt for someone from Honda that can actually talk specifics about the car, jump ropes and lift engine bay to find it empty, get kicked out of auto show, call model to "hang out", go back to room, pee, model shows up, kick it with the model, go to MGM Grand Casino with her, win huge at craps, get a high-end room, take random pictures of Detroit and Windsor Canada from hotel window while kicking it with model, take shower, dress, hop a taxi to Bouzouki's strip club with model, give away winnings to model and dancers, taxi drunk to airport, hop on plane, go back to wherever you call home, post pictures and very legible notes here.

this would save me the effort of doing ALL of the above
thank you
RW
 
Hey Bats what do you mean the HSC style NSX??

As the 02+ come down the NA1 ones will drop as many will take advantage of the lower 02+ prices and sell their inferior aluminum butter knife 91-01 ( :wink: ) to get a newer model. We'll get a flood of S2K guys who will pick up the lower priced NA1's . Of course Civic Si guys will then get into those S2K's.

Price will be the biggest determining factor. People keep saying that this car will be over $100k but I think they're ignoring what's priced at that level i.e ZR1 , GTR and V8 R8. Honda will be working hard to match any of those cars performance wise with the V6 so again I'm still seeing this car at the $90-100k range. At that price there will be a quite a few 02+ trade ins. Above that not so much.

I meant this:

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Butterfly what? - says My faster than your NSX SOS SC setup

I'm 99% confident (based on the current NSX debut and the other cars at the time) that whatever replacement NSX will have a superior build quality to the ZR1 , GTR and V8 R8. The Fit & Finish between the new NSX and the R8 remains to be seen since the Germans are strong at that.

As far as gadgets like the infotainment system the Acura will most likely be superior to the Teutonic attempts at infotainment.
 
Re: Problem at the top; they're dazed and confused

Like Honda, Acura execs continue to be dazed and confused about which way to take the brand and how to do it. Peter De Lorenzo doesn't think their current marketing trend bodes well for the NSX. Read "Rants" in the 12/14/11 edition of http://www.autoextremist.com/.

Acura takes dead aim... at mediocrity.

(Posted 12/12, 5:00 p.m.) Detroit. Thirteen months ago I wrote a column (“That’s all you got, Mr. Ito?” - 11/10/2010) about the future of Acura. Flailing and failing, Acura had totally lost its mojo and its raison d’etre, and its leader, Takanobu Ito, pretty much had nothing to offer other than this: “We are having a lot of discussions about Acura and which way it should be going. And what we confirmed is that the brand direction should be smart premium, not top tier… We agreed that smart premium is what we should be targeting with Acura, not the upper-segment vehicles such as Lexus or Mercedes-Benz. We must apply advanced technologies which make our vehicle more fun to drive, achieve a more comfortable drive and high environmental performance. "

Last week, Acura executives took the media under the tent ahead of the upcoming Detroit Auto Show, confirming Ito’s leanings from a year ago. Mark Rechtin, reporting for Automotive News, says Acura will settle for offering mid-level premium vehicles that favor fuel economy over performance, even though the company plans on unveiling an environmentally friendly successor to the NSX sports car in Detroit.

To justify their position, Acura executives went on to mock modern day luxury cars as being examples of technical overkill. And much is revealed in the following quotes.

Mike Accavitti, the former head of Dodge who became American Honda's vice president of marketing in August, describes the current luxury market as "too much machine and not enough humanity. Our overweight bodies require overweight engines and more safety systems to protect them. Some of these cars the average driver just can't control. We have been increasing performance beyond the ability of the driver, or we have complicated the driving process."

Gary Evert, division director for advanced automotive planning at Acura R&D, said, "Technology is only as good as the driver. The vehicle almost always has more capability than the driver can handle. Anything outside the customer's understanding is waste."

Sales chief Jeff Conrad insisted that Acura was returning to its original product philosophy, as reported by Rechtin, which revolves around elegant engineering and class-leading fuel economy. And that they would no longer pursue the best-in-class entries from the top-tier automakers.

And Vicki Poponi, American Honda assistant vice president for product planning, added, "Our engineering ego was getting in the way."

Really? That’s hard to fathom because I don’t think anyone in this business would actually accuse Acura of having some sort of engineering ego. Acura has been so far off the radar screen of the “great cars” discussion for so long that the company occupies a strange existence in a netherworld between irrelevance and inconsequence. How can you possibly cultivate an ego around that?

I’m sure the new NSX concept set to be revealed in Detroit will be cool and buzz worthy, but Acura executives are already telegraphing the fact that they view enthusiasts as inconsequential and not really what they’re aiming for, so why bother? Since fewer than 20 percent of Acura’s target buyers in generation Y care about high performance, according to its internal research, why indeed?

Showing a zoomy concept when you plan on backing it up with “smart luxury” as Acura executives are referring to it is a fool’s errand, at best.

Everything these Acura executives are saying indicates to me that the sickness that seems to have swallowed Honda whole over the last half decade or so has completely obliterated any hope for Acura. Dismissing technical excellence as “waste” suggests to me that the executives within Honda assigned to Acura not only have the disease, they’ve had their brains reprogrammed as well.

I wonder if a PA announcement comes over the loudspeaker at Acura headquarters every morning with the following: “Ladies and gentlemen, we don’t care what the powers that be in the automotive world are achieving or aspiring to, because we only aspire to be good enough. After all, it’s much easier to succeed when the target is set low enough. So get to work.”

Calculated mediocrity will never win in this business. Ever. And for Honda and Acura executives to come out – with guns blazing, no less – suggesting that this is their path to righteousness and success is an insult to everyone out their busting their guts to do the best and be the best.

Here is a car company announcing to the world that good enough is indeed good enough, in an automotive world where “good enough” was forever made obsolete with the bankruptcies of GM and Chrysler.

This would all be laughable if it weren’t so patently absurd and pathetic.

As I said a year ago, I’m not looking for Honda to build over-the-top and overpriced offerings for Acura at every turn. I am, however, looking for each and every Acura model that hits the street to offer a level of distinctive driving differentiation and appeal that you just can’t get in the Honda showroom, or anywhere else, for that matter.

And the message I’m hearing from Acura executives is that’s notgonnahappen. It’s not even close to happening, in fact.

Showing up and being present and accounted for isn’t going to cut it for Acura, but that’s exactly what they’re hell-bent on doing. And I don’t get it. Mediocrity isn’t bliss. And there are legions of car executives and car companies that have learned that painful lesson the hardest way possible.

Acura - and Honda - need to make us believe that they actually have a pulse instead of confirming our suspicions that they’re receding into a black hole while becoming something unrecognizable and unfathomable, akin to a mewling morass of mediocrity masquerading as a real car company.

And that’s the High-Octane Truth for this week.

Nothing new here, really. Been that way for quite awhile, so it looks the tradition continues. As Calvin said to Hobbs: "The secret to self-esteem is to lower your expectations to the point where they’re already met."
 
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Re: Problem at the top; they're dazed and confused

I meant this:

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Butterfly what? - says My faster than your NSX SOS SC setup

I'm 99% confident (based on the current NSX debut and the other cars at the time) that whatever replacement NSX will have a superior build quality to the ZR1 , GTR and V8 R8. The Fit & Finish between the new NSX and the R8 remains to be seen since the Germans are strong at that.

As far as gadgets like the infotainment system the Acura will most likely be superior to the Teutonic attempts at infotainment.

Ok but we know the NSX 2.0 won't look like that.

Not butterfly fool "butterknife"! Need to make sure your using your booster seat when you read from your desktop.

I'd heard the GTR was pretty cheap interior wise and the ZR1 shows it's corvette roots when I sit in them at the Autoshows. Unfortunately the car at the autoshow won't have an interior but on the quality going by newer Acuras it might not be there. I've been reading quite a few complaints on the ZDX/MDX and TL leather interiors wearing very poorly very quickly.

Like Honda, Acura execs continue to be dazed and confused about which way to take the brand and how to do it. Peter De Lorenzo doesn't think their current marketing trend bodes well for the NSX. Read "Rants" in the 12/14/11 edition of http://www.autoextremist.com/.



Nothing new here, really. Been that way for quite awhile, so it looks the tradition continues. As Calvin said to Hobbs: "The secret to self-esteem is to lower your expectations to the point where they’re already met."

I think Acura is targeting the Y generation because well the Y generation is the same way just good enough and give me a cookie just for being there. That's why I say again at this point Acura has presented nothing to justify a mid $100k car.
 
From which angle? Looking from the front or back? Maybe a picture?
Regardless of the angle.
Lets say the HSC was exotic but not pretty enough to be worthy of an NSX replacement. What killed it for me was that shape of the C pillar and the rear window, that's the worst part of the design. And the rear end is OK but still not sexy enough to deserve my approval. The front I never had any problems with. In my view, a car worthy of an NSX replacement has to be stunning. A car which upon looking anyone goes "WOW!". That happened with the original NSX. Anyone who saw it, loved it! Overall it was a great design, the rear was so original and sexy.
And yes, overall the 458 is a much nicer design than the HSC, better details, curves, etc. To me it just flows better. And I'm pretty sure I'm not in the minority.

Styling wise, the Avengers car has better potential to be worthy of the NSX name than the HSC (but the shield:redface:).

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Some 458 italia pics for comparisson with HSC...

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That is the NSX dash.
 

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that's because it's a current gen NSX with a body kit.
I know, I point it out last month. Someone needs to make that kit for the community!
 
Read today:

400hp, 42mpg, all wheel drive, 2014, and $100,000

Source?

I still put more weight on Rob's original post which comes from someone attending the dealer meeting than a lot of the random speculation on the net.

What's interesting to me from the last link is that this will be a "buck" that shows off exterior styling only (same as they showed at the dealer unveiling with no interior).

It's almost like Honda saw the positive reactions from the Avenger car and quickly threw together a coupe shell-only to gauge further interest. My guess is that the HSC and ASCC were both much further along in development than this concept...
 
Read today:

400hp, 42mpg, all wheel drive, 2014, and $100,000

LOL That's about where I thought it would be price wise and that makes sense "if" it's only 400hp. 42mpg?? Damn that's better than the CRZ :eek:
 
LOL That's about where I thought it would be price wise and that makes sense "if" it's only 400hp. 42mpg?? Damn that's better than the CRZ :eek:

Read it in one of the latest magazines. Can't remember which one, I was to busy looking for the Lindsay Lohan Playboy. :tongue:
 
Read today:

400hp, 42mpg, all wheel drive, 2014, and $100,000
That is just speculation.

Oh and Acura already said that the announced electric SH-AWD system with 3.5L DI V6 (which makes more than 404Hp) is not powerful enough for the next NSX. There are at least two people on this forum who heard from someone attending the Vegas meeting that the next NSX will have 450hp or 500hp - depending on the source lol.

About the weight, there are a few people worried that being an AWD it will be a GTR-pig-like sportscar. Again, Ito said "power-to-weight" is where Honda's focus is - like the original. Will the car weight about the same as the original NSX while being an AWD and a hybrid? Personaly I think they will struggle to match that, my guess is that it will be significantly ligher than a Gallardo AWD.
 
Read it in one of the latest magazines. Can't remember which one, I was to busy looking for the Lindsay Lohan Playboy. :tongue:

Ah guess we'll have to wait for full confirmation.... and uh Did you find that Playboy:biggrin:
 
I believe the Detroit auto show begins in January 9th correct?

I can't wait til that day, all this news around the NSX is making it one of the most anticipated event for me in years. Anyone going to attend the show in person? A few new car debut in the past that got me excited were: GT-R, R8, 911 (991). But by far the new NSX exceeded them by 10 fold because the rumor has been going around for years on and off and I can really relate to the car because of personal experience with it.
 
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