Where are all the Production deliveries ??

[nsxsupra]

That is the point, and we wonder why sales are abysmal....
I guess the question would be, how do you leave performance on the table?

Manufacture do it for various reasons: reliability, noise level, ease of future power bump, emission, etc. They have to maintain the bulletproof reliability reputation.

Just traction alone, it should be able to handle at least additional 100hp. The launch control is very conservative, the car just doesn't felt like it is stressed at all in any way. Minor mods usually adds stupid amount of power on Turbo cars. M3/M4/M5/M6, McLaren, AMG GT, all respond so well to mods. I was given M6 for Vegas trips for 1 week, the car simply does not have traction, very slow compare to NSX, adding power doesn't help performance in M6's case.

 

[Taxdr1965]

So I am not the only person who notices a lag in shifting the trans in manual mode. On the 570 the manual mode is instant. Click and the next gear is right there. Has to be a software issue. I would think an easy fix through an update

 

[fastaussie]

you are correct. the Ferrari, Lamborghini/Audi, Porsche and McLaren are instant. the NSX transmission is not as quick...

 

[chrisn]

So I am not the only person who notices a lag in shifting the trans in manual mode. On the 570 the manual mode is instant. Click and the next gear is right there. Has to be a software issue. I would think an easy fix through an update

Try in Sport+ or Track mode when revs are above 5K. This is the only circumstance where shift speeds matters (WOT upshifts), and it is effectively instant. In "Sport" mode, the car is not very responsive-- and not just the slow shifting. I agree that they should tweak this in software. But, again, in the only circumstances where it matters (your are driving aggressively and in the power band), it is plenty fast.

 

[fastaussie]

the NSX shifts quickly, but it's not the quickest or best transmission currently available...

 

[Jinks]

Dead horse meet stick.....

 

[fastaussie]

Dead horse meet stick.....

clarify? transmission shifting, or why the car isn't selling for shit?

 

[Jinks]

Why the car is not selling. We all know it is priced incorrectly for it's brand and origin. But for some who have the cash that doesn't matter too much. Also, the stubbornness of not changing anything at all about it.

 

[EuroBoutique]

A few things to point out:

a) When Lexus IS-F came out with the 8-speed auto - most people hated it as well. Everyone said too many gears. When we had the car, it was actually an ideal car for street driving and compared the e90 M3 with the DCT tranny, the IS-F was super smooth, gave perfect blend of power and speed on the street. Leave the car in Sport AUTO mode and the car was plenty fast, no need to do manual shifting which actually slowed the car down. We think the new NSX is similar

b) We have yet to purposely drive the car in manual mode as described and drop multiple gears to accelerate. Will test it next time we get the car on the road

c) In the competitor Huracan, there is NO LAG when you want to get going but from our butt dyno, the car does feel more intuitive when just left in "A" mode vs. trying to shift yourself in "M" mode. The car's brain is extremely good at knowing what gear to be when needed if you put it in Sport or Corsa mode. Downshifts are near flawless and leaves the driving to only worry about taking the right line. On the street it's a bit too aggressive and annoying. As you come to a stop, people next to you will definitely think you are taunting them or egging them to a race when it's the car's computer doing all the downshifting.

d) The NSX in track mode makes very little noise, not much drama but definitely treats the driver to a quick ride. If doing a comparison, the NSX in track mode makes about as much noise as the Huracan in Strada (street) mode. Purrs like a kitten - which we think is part of the problem since most people who buy $200k cars want the visceral sound. Acura is not 100% at fault here since the new Ferrari 488 is super quiet as well. It's not a car that makes a lot of noise compared to the older 458. McLaren makes better road noises than the new 488 in our opinion and we think if the new NSX sounded like the 570 or 650 then it will be more widely accepted?

 

[fastaussie]

no one can deny this car is a sales disaster. but the problem with this NSX is actually very simple.

the NSX is a very good car it, does a lot of things very well. the car's biggest overall problem is simply, there are quite a few other cars that do everything quite a bit better...

 

[vf2ss]

An article posted earlier by M. Gauthier on 9/1 had a quote that said...

Despite the slow sales, Honda doesn't seem concerned as public relations manager Neil McDonald said the NSX is halo vehicle and it "wasn’t positioned, nor was it expected, to chase outright volume sales." McDonald went on to say "[The] NSX has allowed Honda to raise the profile of the brand here through its hybrid technology, performance, exclusivity, and ultimately the type of driving experience that evokes memories of the original NSX, but through a 21st century execution.”

This was very interesting to me. Although PR managers are known for often spouting off a lot of rubbish as they have the luxury of history to back-peddle their company's intentions when speaking after-the-fact, etc. ...but regardless, let's assume all of his statements are true, then according to McDonald, Honda met many if not all of their goals. However, regarding his very last point a reader cannot determine an opinion of unless they have driven both or ideally owned both since it seems to take a little while to fully understand the car.

• The halo NSX was not positioned to chase outright volume sales (mission accomplished via ^price point, <600hp, ‹›looks, etc.)

• The halo NSX was not expected to chase outright volume sales (so they should not be disappointed as their expectations were definitely met)

• The halo NSX has allowed Honda to raise the profile of the brand *here* through its hybrid tech (true depending on what his definition of "here" is. If just at Honda Corp then true, but if he meant the "Marketplace" it's questionable)

• The halo NSX has allowed Honda to raise the profile of the brand *here* through its performance (ditto)

• The halo NSX has allowed Honda to raise the profile of the brand *here* through its exclusivity (ditto again, but as far as exclusivity is concerned it is incredibly true by default)

• The halo NSX has allowed Honda to ultimately provide the type of driving experience that evokes memories of the original NSX (but through 21st century execution)

I've read some threads posted by those who have owned both which have been very insightful. In regards to the accuracy of the last statement however, I would say thinking back to initial reviews that just from the lack of steering feedback comments I would have thought not. But now having read those who have owned theirs for many months and steering feedback aside might really feel this statement overall to be mostly true? Is the overall consensus at this moment in time that owners of both gens (or anyone who's spent considerable time behind both) would agree/disagree that the new NSX really does provide the type of driving experience that evokes memories of the original NSX?

 

[Tom239]

An article posted earlier by M. Gauthier on 9/1 had a quote that said...

Despite the slow sales, Honda doesn't seem concerned as public relations manager Neil McDonald said the NSX is halo vehicle and it "wasn’t positioned, nor was it expected, to chase outright volume sales." McDonald went on to say "[The] NSX has allowed Honda to raise the profile of the brand here through its hybrid technology, performance, exclusivity, and ultimately the type of driving experience that evokes memories of the original NSX, but through a 21st century execution.”

This was very interesting to me. Although PR managers are known for often spouting off a lot of rubbish as they have the luxury of history to back-peddle their company's intentions when speaking after-the-fact, etc. ...but regardless, let's assume all of his statements are true, then according to McDonald, Honda met many if not all of their goals. However, regarding his very last point a reader cannot determine an opinion of unless they have driven both or ideally owned both since it seems to take a little while to fully understand the car.

The quote about not chasing outright volume sales sounds true as far as it goes.
But Honda did expect stronger demand. Corporate told dealers not to sweat the costs
associated with the NSX program (tools, training, ...) because they'd recoup all that
with the profit they'd get from market price adjustments. It didn't play out that way.

 

[Hothonda]

Halo ? ........$100K extra moolah is a huge jump for the Acura customer filling out the credit application to lease/finance any of their
other models.

The '17 MSRP w/some necessary options is nearly triple (or more) the MSRP of other Acura's.

In 2005 MSRP was $89,765 - about double the most expensive other Acura in the line.

Blast from the past.....here's what they cost in 1994:

 

[Jinks]

They really could have sold cars like crazy if they kept the price down to about 120/130k. Comparable to gtr, M series, and AMG series customers wallets.

 

[QUICKIE]

Until they make any substantive updates to the NSX (Series II / R-version) .... And, since they've not really sold that many vehicles: Possibly they could drop the MSRP and rebate money back to those who purchased it at the higher MSRP, or give the first adopters a discount on a future NSX purchase?

 

[Space Truckin]

They really could have sold cars like crazy if they kept the price down to about 120/130k. Comparable to gtr, M series, and AMG series customers wallets.

^^^This^^^ and even up to $150K w performance adders, it's just when you hit $200K mark the air is really thin and the market is very competitive....JM2C

 

[N Spec]

An article posted earlier by M. Gauthier on 9/1 had a quote that said...

Despite the slow sales, Honda doesn't seem concerned as public relations manager Neil McDonald said the NSX is halo vehicle and it "wasn’t positioned, nor was it expected, to chase outright volume sales." McDonald went on to say "[The] NSX has allowed Honda to raise the profile of the brand here through its hybrid technology, performance, exclusivity, and ultimately the type of driving experience that evokes memories of the original NSX, but through a 21st century execution.”

This was very interesting to me. Although PR managers are known for often spouting off a lot of rubbish as they have the luxury of history to back-peddle their company's intentions when speaking after-the-fact, etc. ...but regardless, let's assume all of his statements are true, then according to McDonald, Honda met many if not all of their goals. However, regarding his very last point a reader cannot determine an opinion of unless they have driven both or ideally owned both since it seems to take a little while to fully understand the car.

• The halo NSX was not positioned to chase outright volume sales (mission accomplished via ^price point, <600hp, ‹›looks, etc.)

• The halo NSX was not expected to chase outright volume sales (so they should not be disappointed as their expectations were definitely met)

• The halo NSX has allowed Honda to raise the profile of the brand *here* through its hybrid tech (true depending on what his definition of "here" is. If just at Honda Corp then true, but if he meant the "Marketplace" it's questionable)

• The halo NSX has allowed Honda to raise the profile of the brand *here* through its performance (ditto)

• The halo NSX has allowed Honda to raise the profile of the brand *here* through its exclusivity (ditto again, but as far as exclusivity is concerned it is incredibly true by default)

• The halo NSX has allowed Honda to ultimately provide the type of driving experience that evokes memories of the original NSX (but through 21st century execution)

I've read some threads posted by those who have owned both which have been very insightful. In regards to the accuracy of the last statement however, I would say thinking back to initial reviews that just from the lack of steering feedback comments I would have thought not. But now having read those who have owned theirs for many months and steering feedback aside might really feel this statement overall to be mostly true? Is the overall consensus at this moment in time that owners of both gens (or anyone who's spent considerable time behind both) would agree/disagree that the new NSX really does provide the type of driving experience that evokes memories of the original NSX?

I haven't driven the car yet so I can't confirm or deny the emotions as a sum, but as far elemental similarities, they exists to me in large connections between the two. I didn't put much faith in the original NSX until I finally drove it before buying and it seems to echo again for the ones that have bought the new. The largest gap would be the 800-900 lb curbweight difference between generations. Other than that, the new NSX is an NSX 25+ years later I'd say. A lifetime gap should see radical differences but yet there are very similar themes.

 

[nsxsupra]

Halo ? ........$100K extra moolah is a huge jump for the Acura customer filling out the credit application to lease/finance any of their
other models.

The '17 MSRP w/some necessary options is nearly triple (or more) the MSRP of other Acura's.

In 2005 MSRP was $89,765 - about double the most expensive other Acura in the line.

Blast from the past.....here's what they cost in 1994:

I agree the price is steep without the badge.

However, 1994 is long time ago. Housing, Ferrari and many things were a lot cheaper back then.

Today I drove the NSX out of Orange County. I was amazed by the reactions of people and how well the car drove. Funny encounter with a beautifully modded EVO 10 with the custom Lamboghini Grigio Telesto paint. The Evo looked so sick and the owner had his hand way out of the window with a big thumbs up for a 1/4 mile straight while rolling at 25mph.

 

[Hothonda]

↑↑↑ Today the NSX is about 3X any other new Acura.

2005: 2X any another Acura

1994: My guess is was close to double (MDX Sport was about $35K I recall)

Most manufacturers use the "step up" philosophy to keep their existing customers coming back for latest greatest.

Acura must be hoping for "conquest" sales from other brands.....it isn't happening.

 

[u00mem91]

↑↑↑ Today the NSX is about 3X any other new Acura.

2005: 2X any another Acura

1994: My guess is was close to double (MDX Sport was about $35K I recall)

Most manufacturers use the "step up" philosophy to keep their existing customers coming back for latest greatest.

Acura must be hoping for "conquest" sales from other brands.....it isn't happening.

If you recall an MDX costing $35k in 1994, you may want to switch databases.

 

[EuroBoutique]

Wow the window sticker from 1994 sure looks like something printed from home using a dot matrix printer

 

[Hothonda]

OOPS You're right.... was '96 RL (purchased in late 1995 or early 1996) about $34.8K ....Our first MDX was 2002 & called a "base" ....$29,900 MSRP if I recall..


FWIW.....223 2017 NSX for sale today (9/6/17) cars.com

 

[Hothonda]

Wow the window sticker from 1994 sure looks like something printed from home using a dot matrix printer

Photograph of the original window sticker- laid on top of a bedspread w/ the strawberries. Car was purchased new at Acura of Bellevue, WA

 

[Tom239]

Wow the window sticker from 1994 sure looks like something printed from home using a dot matrix printer

Line printer. Chain or band (rather than drum).

 

[Bricks and Bio]

The Update

They are bummed about the weak sales
No software updates expected (manual shifting time and radio use specifically discussed)
They may offer a factory tour to Kris Bryant (photo op)
If anything is done with the leases, it will be minor
Production appears to be reduced further (no specifics but if sales are low and inventory is not popping up, production must have been adjusted down)
No info on those mules recently seen on the Ring
The Specialists will not be at NSXPO due to other priorities
A guy in R and D in Ohio has a mobility modified car that brings the accelerator up to the steering wheel area and that car may be at NSXPO