Ojas said:If anyone needs the scammer's IP (and ISP), just ask (PM me).
if the ip you got ends in .20 then you got the right one. otherwise...it's the wrong one
Ojas said:If anyone needs the scammer's IP (and ISP), just ask (PM me).
NSXnBRLA said:Latest:
No one wants to help, guys.. every FBI office I have contacted, told me to email the internet fraud division, that they couldnt help me. The internet fraud division hasnt returned my email in 36+ hours (perhaps someone hacked their mail server). Ebay didnt care, and the bank in question didnt really care. Welcome to America. Its time to get tough. I just emailed Dateline NBC. Will keep you posted on their reply.
ChrisK said:Sorry I can't help. I work in engineering at a local ABC affilliate, so if I was in your state I would definately ask the news guys to try and do a story on it. The angle could be, Law inforcement too overwhelmed with national security that they have no time for local crime. Or, Fraud on the rise and nobody cares. Anyway, try your local news stations as they generally would have more time to give you than the actual networks.
Dr.Lane said:This should also be a wake up call to everyone who would ever consider buying or selling anything through e-bay. Just the fact that e-bay doesn't give a rat's ass about an obvious scheme to defraud is proof that they only care about themself and making money. The fact that they won't enforce their own rules is ridiculous. Although I once used e-bay to buy something three years ago, and albeit it was only a $15 purchase, it was one of the worst experineces I have ever had.
I will never again buy anything through e-bay, and furthermore I will never sell anything using e-bay. It's time that we as consumers take a stand against this type of business practice and boycott the internet auction industry.
akiraflux said:i find it funny people actually believe that... so don't you dare say we aren't trying to fight it.
...when it comes down to it...if you have a bad experience on ebay it's your own fault for blindly trusting everybody. you gotta watch your own back because you're in the real world. we can't protect everybody. just like the RIAA can't stop pirating we can't stop fraud and account takeovers.
Dr.Lane[/i] [B]This should also be a wake up call to everyone who would ever consider buying or selling anything through e-bay. Just the fact that e-bay doesn't give a rat's ass about an obvious scheme to defraud is proof that they only care about themself and making money. The fact that they won't enforce their own rules is ridiculous. Although I once used e-bay to buy something three years ago said:The FBI are too busy searching for Osama bin Laden. They have no time for these unimportant internet fraud cases.
(Actually, I would guess there are so many of these cases on a daily bases, that they are overloaded and cannot possibly respond to each and every one)
After 45 minutes on hold with eBay, here's what I get:
"Nothing we can do, please email the complaint dept"
You are absolutely correct. At least, eBay should list the direct line to their fraud dept on EVERYTHING for sale on their site which is over $10,000. At minimum, that would make some of the fraudulent people think twice. If nothing else, just to verify that this is a legitamate listing. Between eBay people and FBI people redirecting me to the internet to file my claim, i've just about lost all my faith in the system. I even told the FBI agent, "I have the guys name, and his bank account number, SURELY YOU CAN FREAKING GET SOMEWHERE WITH THAT???", to which he responded, we dont handle that. I just hung up with the Liberty Coins people, the actual owner of the ebay account (click 'Me' next to the sellers name), and this is the first they've heard of it. They'll be surprised when their eBay bill comes in at over 1,000.00 this month because of all the car listings. Im still waiting to hear back from DatelineNBC. I emailed them and got their autoresponder which stated they would get to my email as soon as they could. Im beginning to see why its so easy to defraud people online.nsxxtreme said:I think this is what the doc is upset about. Come on now someone is on the phone with you telling you that someone is fraudulently trying to sell your car, and you tell them "Nothing we can do, please email the complaint dept". This is completely ridiculous!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! If they really had cared about fraud on ebay they should have an immediate action team with a number listed on their website where you could get a hold of a live person. They should not hide behind an email address! This only shows their lack of commitment to weeding out scammers. Think about it, why do scammers frequent ebay, because it's so damn easy to scam someone.
Thats true, but its not the consumers fault that eBay has outgrown its staffing. When the population of a city reaches a certain number, its a federal requirement that the police dept must have x amount of officers per capita. Bigger city, more police. If eBay can't handle the load of fraud, they should do more to prevent it, or make it easier to detect fraud. At 64,000 emails per day, Ill be thats directly proportional to the amount of dollars fraudulently earned each day, through false ebay listings.akiraflux said:i believe per day we get about 64,000 emails. think about how many phone calls that is and how much time it would take on each call.
akiraflux said:... i also think doc got ahold of an outsourcing line or something. we have no complaint dept.
I also think it is proportional to the amount of dollars ebay is making. So basically they are saying they have too much business, that they don't have any time to protect the consumer that uses their services. I think requiring a direct contact number to the person selling something of significant value is a good idea. Although phone numbers can be scammed to with stolen cell phones (It still makes it more difficult). I do think they need a scammer tip line that could act immediately on possible scams. I don't think this is unreasonable. You will never win the scam war. Just like the music industry will not win the P2P fight. But the more difficult you make it the less likely someone will do it. It is ebay's tendencies to do nothing that iratates me!! I'm sorry but telling someone that owns the car their is nothing they can do is pure BS!!. Get off your damn ass and end the auction. Obviously after contacting the original owner of the account.At 64,000 emails per day, Ill be thats directly proportional to the amount of dollars fraudulently earned each day, through false ebay listings.
Dr.Lane said:I just realized that e-bay has no complaint department. Another reason why I will never use their services.
Originally posted by NSXnBRLA
"Sorry sir, there's not much we can do until someone actually transfers the money"
So it looks like even if you can prove someone is attempting to sell something, and collect on something that isnt theirs, its pretty much no harm done according to the officials.
nsxtasy said:I would guess that this is very true. Furthermore, if they are trying to prioritize these cases, they would be likely to give more priority to a case where someone actually lost a substantial amount of money, than one where the person was "outed" and no money was lost. Furthermore, even if the person could be found, it would be more difficult to prosecute such a case (due to lack of evidence) and the penalties would likely be lighter.