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Will Max win #4 Sunday?
Yes, he will win #4...or #3, depending upon your perspective 
Well done Max!
Well done Max!
Four would be correct....
Great pole to flag win for George, and a superb 10-2 from Lewis - what could have been if he hadn’t messed up his Q3 runs…. Toto was almost happy with the performance of his team.
Solid performance from the Ferrari boys, and Max did enough to get the WDC job done. Disappointing from McLaren - Lando was nowhere until the last lap, and Oscar was nowhere because of a dubious start line penalty.
Unlucky for Gasly and Albon. Perez was poor apart from one overtake on Lawson and Magnussen. Yuki got points, but not as many as Hukenberg, so Haas are looking like 6th in the WCC is theirs.
Las Vegas proved that it was all style over substance with a the podium being a Roller ride halfway round the track for a photo-op outside a tacky hotel rather than in front of the main grandstand… pointless, as it killed any atmosphere.
Onward to the final two races of the season - Can McLaren keep both hands on the WCC or will Ferrari sneak in at the end. Can’t see Red Bull lifting the trophy, unless the second Red Bull has a Max clone in the drivers seat.
Solid performance from the Ferrari boys, and Max did enough to get the WDC job done. Disappointing from McLaren - Lando was nowhere until the last lap, and Oscar was nowhere because of a dubious start line penalty.
Unlucky for Gasly and Albon. Perez was poor apart from one overtake on Lawson and Magnussen. Yuki got points, but not as many as Hukenberg, so Haas are looking like 6th in the WCC is theirs.
Las Vegas proved that it was all style over substance with a the podium being a Roller ride halfway round the track for a photo-op outside a tacky hotel rather than in front of the main grandstand… pointless, as it killed any atmosphere.
Onward to the final two races of the season - Can McLaren keep both hands on the WCC or will Ferrari sneak in at the end. Can’t see Red Bull lifting the trophy, unless the second Red Bull has a Max clone in the drivers seat.
After rejecting the Andretti - Cadillac bid to become the 11th team, FOM has now admitted the GM / Cadillac team into F1.
I’m not sure I understand it, esp with Michael Andretti taking a smaller role, maybe? Perhaps F1 is hedging its bets with Alpine, while not looking too hypocritical about not wanting Andretti in the sport.
I’m not sure I understand it, esp with Michael Andretti taking a smaller role, maybe? Perhaps F1 is hedging its bets with Alpine, while not looking too hypocritical about not wanting Andretti in the sport.
^ for 2026. F1 wanted a manufacturer, not just a race team.
Rumo(u)rs that Porsche may partner with Williams at some point in the not too-distant future…
Leclerc was upset that Sainz out muscled him. Wait ‘til next year…
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I haven't read too much about the Andretti stuff, but it seems like they have something against Michael Andretti in particular and/or F1 are using the excuse that they wanted GM/Cadillac instead of the Andretti name. Having that said, since Cadillac has been admitted yesterday, I've now also seen a headline stating that Mario Andretti has joined the GM/Cadillac F1 effort as a board director.
A lot of people are calling this a "sly" move by Andretti thinking Andretti are pulling a fast one on F1 but I have to believe some involvement with Andretti was always the plan since it was Andretti's team that was heading up the effort and GM/Cadillac weren't going to restart this effort from scratch just because Michael stepped down. I'm sure Michael stepping down was a part of the "deal" they reached to get the team in at all.
I would love to other's thoughts on the sprint format...I don't like it because imo it detracts from the reason we watch..the Grand Prix. Having a mini race before hand cheapens the actual race. To me the sprint is a final practice at 100 %...weird..let them have 3 practices and then race...Having 2 quali's is redundant and the second one is anti climatic..
I agree!
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I definitely agree that the sprints CAN take the fun out of the race, since they're basically a spoiler for how each team/driver will do in the race. But in rare occasions like Qatar Sprint 2024, it can give a team data and allow them to tweak the settings like RBR did for Max, completely turning around the car from sprint to the race. Overall, I don't think they're necessary though. Or if they keep doing them, maybe need to spice them up somehow and make them more different from the main race besides just being fewer laps. Maybe put everyone on the same tire compound? or implement rolling starts? haha idk...
The flip side to the Sprint format is 2 hours of not very exciting free practice - that doesn’t draw crowds in and bums on seats is what makes the circuits happy. The Sprint provides some interest on both the Friday and Saturday, so more ticket sales.
Some tracks don’t sell out on a Friday - the Sprint has helped in this regard.
Some tracks don’t sell out on a Friday - the Sprint has helped in this regard.
The sprints to me seem boring, and now with qualifying for the main race after the sprint, none of the drivers or teams want to risk any damage to the cars.
Maybe something like practice 1, practice 2 on Friday, followed by race qualifying Saturday morning, with a sprint (in order of the race finisher or draw) to wrap up Saturday would add some excitement to the event. Or develop a sprint race only car that isn’t used for the main race.
Maybe something like practice 1, practice 2 on Friday, followed by race qualifying Saturday morning, with a sprint (in order of the race finisher or draw) to wrap up Saturday would add some excitement to the event. Or develop a sprint race only car that isn’t used for the main race.
^^ I agree - it’s ok, but not great.
Race review - Max was faultless and not really challenged, but was that because of the race director’s decision regarding debris on track?
What I thought should have happened is that the safety car should havre come out immediately, taken the cars through the pit so that the debris could have been cleared quickly and safely. Instead, there were various flags on the main straight for a number of laps, Bottas then ran over the mirror whilst moving out the way of a Ferrari, causing a very large field of carbon shards, which inevitably caused punctures in 2 cars.
The yellow flag panel that I could see was yellow - I didn’t see the waved yellows that Lando received the most severe penalty in F1 short of disqualification - Jonathan Whingey saw to that by lobbying the stewards / race director / whoever - perhaps the F1 bosses saw it as an opportunity to ensure that the WCC went to the final race, and gives Ferrari a sporting chance of overtaking McLaren…
Back to the race result - Colapinto was taken out by Stroll crashing into Ocon on lap 1 - all 3 failed to finish. Kevin Magnussen overtook Alex Albon by going off track, but this was never punished for some unfathomable reason - KMag finished in 9th, Albon in 15th, Hulkenberg didn’t finish after contact with a couple of cars. Zhou Guanyu finished in the points for the first time this season with an excellent drive to 8th, Bottas just outside the points in 11th.
Charles & Oscar drove quietly to finish on the podium ahead of George who was put on the wrong tyre for the final stint of the race. Gasly found himself finishing 5th ahead of Sainz who recovered well after puncturing, Alonso was somehow 7th after some very poor periods of the race. Lando fought back up to 10th after being penalised into last place, gaining the fastest lap point in the process.
Lewis had a nightmare of a race, but at least he finished - Perez was woeful and retired after finding himself 3rd at one point.
Yuki & Liam just went backwards but weren’t as bad as Perez - surely he won’t be at Red Bull next season?
Race review - Max was faultless and not really challenged, but was that because of the race director’s decision regarding debris on track?
What I thought should have happened is that the safety car should havre come out immediately, taken the cars through the pit so that the debris could have been cleared quickly and safely. Instead, there were various flags on the main straight for a number of laps, Bottas then ran over the mirror whilst moving out the way of a Ferrari, causing a very large field of carbon shards, which inevitably caused punctures in 2 cars.
The yellow flag panel that I could see was yellow - I didn’t see the waved yellows that Lando received the most severe penalty in F1 short of disqualification - Jonathan Whingey saw to that by lobbying the stewards / race director / whoever - perhaps the F1 bosses saw it as an opportunity to ensure that the WCC went to the final race, and gives Ferrari a sporting chance of overtaking McLaren…
Back to the race result - Colapinto was taken out by Stroll crashing into Ocon on lap 1 - all 3 failed to finish. Kevin Magnussen overtook Alex Albon by going off track, but this was never punished for some unfathomable reason - KMag finished in 9th, Albon in 15th, Hulkenberg didn’t finish after contact with a couple of cars. Zhou Guanyu finished in the points for the first time this season with an excellent drive to 8th, Bottas just outside the points in 11th.
Charles & Oscar drove quietly to finish on the podium ahead of George who was put on the wrong tyre for the final stint of the race. Gasly found himself finishing 5th ahead of Sainz who recovered well after puncturing, Alonso was somehow 7th after some very poor periods of the race. Lando fought back up to 10th after being penalised into last place, gaining the fastest lap point in the process.
Lewis had a nightmare of a race, but at least he finished - Perez was woeful and retired after finding himself 3rd at one point.
Yuki & Liam just went backwards but weren’t as bad as Perez - surely he won’t be at Red Bull next season?
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Agree. Red Bull is just waiting until the season is over to announce Perez's replacement. His sponsorship $ is just not worth it anymore. Sainz? Tsunota is too much of a clown & neither he nor Lawson have delivered.
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^ Sainz is in many ways the best fit, but for various historical reasons including their respective fathers not exactly seeing eye to eye I doubt it will happen, but James Vowels has a valuable commodity in Sainz (& Colapinto), so Williams could benefit from doing some kind of deal there. All the time that Dr Helmut has any influence over the team Tsunoda won’t be in the Red Bull alongside Max, as he sees Yuki as part of the Honda engine deal which isn’t the future of Red Bull outfit, despite them using the Red Bull badged Honda engine in 2025…
Jos the boss seems to be a bit of a handful. I don’t see him wanting anybody other than Lance Stroll driving for RB.
Maybe bring Vettel out of retirement for a year.
We’ve reached the last race of the season. Oddly, as much of a Ferrari man am I, I don’t seem to be excited about the race.
Looking forward to a final year with the current rules and the possible end of RBs dominance.
Looking forward to a final year with the current rules and the possible end of RBs dominance.
RB it's already no more dominant.Mc laren is team no1.
Well that was exciting at times - Max spoiling Oscar’s race, just because he could, Perez disappearing following contact, Charles storming through the field, Lewis choosing a bold strategy and acing it, Carlos having a solid race as did George and Pierre, but the big thing was Lando completely in control.
Looking forward to 2025 - shame I couldn’t get tickets for Melbourne to see Lewis debut in red.
Looking forward to 2025 - shame I couldn’t get tickets for Melbourne to see Lewis debut in red.
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