The Official 2014 F1 thread....

Vettel leaving Red Bull came out of nowhere. If it's true he's going to Ferrari, and Alonso goes to McLaren, I HOPE McLaren also keeps Button.

This year I'm rooting for Ferrari, since I really like Alonso and Raikkonen, but next year, I'm rooting for McLaren again. Ron Dennis is back, Eric Boulier is running the team, Honda is back, Alonso might be going to McLaren. They just need to keep Button. I wonder if Honda will ask McLaren to keep Button, since Jenson has a lot of history with Honda.
 
Why the heck would Mc keep Button? He is better than Rubens Barichello, but not Hamilton or Magnussen. And he's old.

He may not be as fast as Hamilton, Button kept him honest, in fact beat Hamilton one season, and was up there with him the other 2 seasons.
As for Magnussen, the points say other wise, 72 points to Magnussen's 39 points.
 
Button sell-by date was at the end of 2009..,

Vettle will have his set of challenges at the Red team, I don't think he will stick around until 2017, Ferrari stated that they need two year to get things in place.

No conVince that Ron Dennis will sign Alonso...but stranger things have happen in F1.

Bram
 
Seb is following his role model MS.....yea Alonso has quite a history with Mclaren. As for JB Youth wins out over experience it would seem.
 
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But Alonso may not play well with the Asian audience.

Actually Honda want Alo for next year.Last year there was roumors about Alo in Mclaren.We all know he is still
good friend with Felipe and when journalist ask him about Fernandos future he said Mclaren or playing golf but for sure this first is more possible as he want one more
WC title.
 
Button sell-by date was at the end of 2009..,

Vettle will have his set of challenges at the Red team, I don't think he will stick around until 2017, Ferrari stated that they need two year to get things in place.

No conVince that Ron Dennis will sign Alonso...but stranger things have happen in F1.

Bram

I was watching the race last night and was wondering why it was taking so long to recover Sutil's car. They didn't show any footage of Bianchi going off, so had no clue he had crashed into the recovery vehicle.

The rain had started to come down harder, and Button dove into the pits for full wet tires right before, or as the second accident happened. I was hoping he would have caught up to the Redbulls and fight for the last podium position.

Hope Bianchi has a speedy recovery.

As for the rumors about Alonso going to McLaren, if true, I still stand by my opinion that Macca should keep Button, and last night he proved again that he is the better choice. He dove in for full wet tires as the rain picked up, right before or just as Sutil went off the track. Vettel was on fresh intermediates and Ricciardo was on old intermediates. Had there been no accident, Ricciardo and Vettel, and possibly the Mercedes, would have come in for full wet tires and Button would have picked up a place, and possibly a podium.
 
The Bridgestone tire representative at previous years' races said that Alonso's tire wear was the least, and he was impressed. But then that depends a lot on the car, and what the driver was asking the car to do.
 
Yes a sad day for F1 followers. Our thoughts should be with Jules Bianchi, his family and the team. Andrea deCeasaris' passing is an unwelcome surprise to boot.

Alan Jones [the 1980 World Champion] said before the Australian telecast that Alonso had already been signed into a contract by Honda, not McLaren, so I guess Dennis can keep a straight face when telling the press Alonso hadn't signed for McLaren. According to Rolled over at the "Temple", Alonso met with Honda's big wigs on Wednesday or Thursday. Which tallies with what eventuated - Alonso commits to Honda, which opens a seat at Ferrari, that Vettel jumps into at very short notice. Apparently Horner was having dinner with Brundle [of SkyTV] on Friday evening, and got a text message from Vettel asking him to come up to his room - where he was informed of Vettels leaving!

Also according to Rolled, Honda were after Vettel, and Alonso were their second option! Personally I'm not convinced of Vettel's all round ability - I believe this year has shown him a fantastic driver, but perhaps not a great car "developer".

And as much as I like Button, he has passed his "best", but I believe it would be a good idea to keep him on board for 1 more year, during Honda's development year, and let Magnussen go, or keep him on the books for 2017. Magnussen still has a ways to go before he can be a good #2 for a top team. And we all hope McLaren will be back as a top team next year, don't we?
 
Oh my, He could have been decapitated from that....I guess the FIA and F1 will be trying to figure out how to mitigate lightning striking twice in the same spot.Maybe using larger cranes that are behind the barriers like at Monaco.
 
I thought the yellow flag was to be flying. The flag man on that corner was clearly waving the green. FIA said that they were waving the crossed yellow. Or am I miss interpreting something?
 
Once the recovery vehicle pass the tower, they switched to the green flag indicating the track was clear from that point forward, at least that's what I've been reading. I don't think it would have made any difference since double yellows were being waved seconds before, and I'm sure yellow flags were being waved before that corner.

It comes down to a freak accident, wrong place at the wrong time.
 
Not immediately obvious in the footage, but that flag point is actually positioned just passed Sutil's accident. It is correctly showing a single waved yellow while the tractor is recovering the Sauber, the following flag point would be showing the green flag, but once the recovery vehicle starts to retreat from the accident scene the flag point just past the accident scene correctly waves the green flag. Out of view I would hope the preceeding flag point would have been showing double waved yellows the whole time, until the tractor was safely behind the barrier........
 
http://formerf1doc.wordpress.com/2014/10/07/2271/

Before the reform frenzy starts
OCTOBER 7, 2014 / GARY HARTSTEIN
We’re just over 48 hours since Jules’ accident. Still hoping and praying for a good outcome. And of course, by now, the dust is settling, and discourse becomes less emotional, less intense, and more reasoned. I thought I’d take advantage of this period of relative calm to put a few thoughts out there.

The first thing I want to point out is that the three most severe accidents we’ve had since 1994 have all occurred through mechanisms that are not easily predictable. I’ll not go so far as to use the expression “freak accidents”, but being hit in the head with an 800 gm spring, driving into the lifting tailgate of a lorry, or aquaplaning into the exact spot a recovery unit is working are not your standard scenarios.

I say this because we need to have a bit of perspective here. Virtually every weekend we see, often with a quiet “ho hum”, accidents that in a not distant past would no doubt have been fatal. Basically, the things that used to kill and maim drivers have almost been engineered out of the system. Fire? (Williamson, Courage, Bandini to name a few)? We just don’t see it anymore (yes we had a few, but none with any significant consequences). Frontal collisions? (Rindt) We shrug off the most spectacular. Side impacts (Senna)? Ehhhhh… Flying rollovers? Shaken, but not stirred.

Not only do we almost have to invent bizarre ways to get hurt, but when someone DOES fall victim to an unusual accident, the governing body has shown itself fairly adept at acting appropriately. Felipe’s accident? Zylon visor reinforcements. Etc etc.

Jules’ accident was INCREDIBLY violent. It is a miracle he is alive, purely and simply. And this is a testimony to the entire system. Where should we look if we want to find out if there actually IS anything to change?

To start with, I’ll harken back to one of my pet peeves.

Those of you who saw the video no doubt were impressed by just how fast that Marussia was winging it as it streaked through the runoff area into the JCB. I surely was. And I was all the more impressed that:

Jules was certainly aware of the risk at that point of aquaplaning (and was no doubt told of SUT’s off)
there were double yellow flags displayed at one, and possibly two, upstream marshal posts.
For the sake of my sanity, I’ll point out again that double yellows mean that the track might be obstructed, that there are HUMAN BEINGS WORKING trackside of the Armco, and to BE PREPARED TO STOP.

I’ve been a passenger in an F1 car, and can confirm that the brakes are phenomenal. That said, given the water on the circuit, given the loading on the car through corners 6 and 7, and given the speed of that Marussia, it is indisputable that Jules carried MUCH TOO MUCH speed into that corner. By definition. He is instructed (by the flags) to slow enough to be able to stop, yet he was fast enough to aquaplane. Those are mutually exclusive options. Period.

I’ve been saying since 2010 that flag discipline is deteriorating, and it’s deteriorating fast. And no one is making properly vigorous efforts to re-establish it.

At every F1 drivers briefing, the drivers hound Charlie for a number – “how fast can i go under yellows?” or “how fast under double yellows?”. Or even, “will I be penalised if I do 0.2 sec less than the last time thru that sector…”

THEY’RE MISSING THE POINT. AND BECAUSE WE’RE NOT INSISTING ENOUGH ON THE RIGHT ANSWER, BAD THINGS HAPPEN.

The point is that the speed that’s appropriate under double yellows is variable. It’s not a speed limit, it’s a warning. Just ahead you might have nowhere to go. Or, just ahead someone’s uncle, brother, father is pushing one of your colleague’s cars off the circuit (remember the marshal whose legs you broke in Monaco Pastor? When you kept your foot in it through double yellows into Casino? I do).

I bet that the “appropriate” speed through T6-7 Sunday was probably something like 80-100 km/h – something like pit lane speed. Had drivers done that, the absurdity would have rapidly become apparent, and race control would have had little choice but to deploy the SC.

Disrespect for flag discipline is not a minor issue. It kills and injures people. If flags are respected, things get remarkably safer. If these flags had been respected, it is hard to imagine this accident happening, at least with this kind of energy.

Before we start changing everything, wrapping JCB’s in tech pro, putting SC’s out every time someone’s in the armco, let’s correctly apply the spectacularly effective safety system already in place. And let’s start by making sure drivers actually respect the SPIRIT (“be prepared to stop”) and not the LETTER (“how many tenths down do I have to be to not get a stop-go penalty?”) of the safety regulations.

Oh and one last thing: please Jules, get better fast.
 
Racing will always have some risk. The important issue is what could have been done to prevent it ? Or was it a human factor? Rain or dry the tractor would have been there. It requires more caution when driving in the rain , but accidents happen in the dry as well. I pray that Bianchi recovers and the sport thinks about what can be improved.
 
Pretty boring race, the craziest thing I thought was Rosberg made those tires last for practically the entire race!

Although I hate the idea of someone winning by double points at the end, I'm looking forward to it since the drivers championship is still up in the air.
 
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