Fakkkkk!!!!
What happened to Perez??? Why did he got stock in the pits?
He could been 10th at least...
Meh.
-MSR
What happened to Perez??? Why did he got stock in the pits?
He could been 10th at least...
Meh.
-MSR
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for sure, hopefully he can make up some positions on track.
and formation lap! C'mon Button, Kobayashi, and Perez!!
WOW, great race!!!!!!
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WOW, great race!!!!!!
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Well gents, here's my impression of the circus first outing. Vettel looked like he was driving a X2010, two seconds clear in the first lap is quite impressive. Button really needs to stop playing ladylike and show more balls in passing, Weber could do the same. Good drive by Petrov, makes me wonder what Robert would have done. Hamo got lucky but, a good drive nontheless. An excellent drive by Perez, for a rookie. If Hamo is hard on his tires, then Massa is harder. I was wrong last year, but this year may be his last for ferrari. It seems that Brawn may have lost his touch and Newey is about to add another championship to his tally. I expected more passing maneuvers but, I guess passing is really up to the drivers as much as the cars. Good stuff, can't wait for round two.
Beatiful drive by Perez , outstanding!!!
1 stop he manage his tires better than Vettel, Hamilton, Alonso, better than everyone... Which leads me to think if he hadn't got stuck in the pits for qualy, he probably would of got a podium!!
The bad news are that the two Sauber drivers have been disqualify, because the car didn't pass the after race check up.
Stwarts said that the wing plank is 100 ml higher than what it should be, but sauber has appeal the ruling by saying that that particular area of the wing does not add and performance what so ever...
Waiting....
Always something.
-MSR
1 stop he manage his tires better than Vettel, Hamilton, Alonso, better than everyone... Which leads me to think if he hadn't got stuck in the pits for qualy, he probably would of got a podium!!
The bad news are that the two Sauber drivers have been disqualify, because the car didn't pass the after race check up.
Stwarts said that the wing plank is 100 ml higher than what it should be, but sauber has appeal the ruling by saying that that particular area of the wing does not add and performance what so ever...
Waiting....
Always something.
-MSR
We know that RB is fast but what happened whit Mark?Surprise Mc Laren is so fast and dissapointed about F cars and Merc.Thanks to Alonso skils they are 4.
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That's BS if they DQ'd. Great drive by Perez indeed, lets hope he keeps it up.
Sad about Button, just waited too long to give back position. By the time the officials gave decided that he'd have to give position back to Massa, Ferrari called Massa in for a pitstop, which automatically gave Button a drive-thru penalty. Was it intentional on Ferrari's part? Oh well, that's racing, guess it could have been worse. Still managed to bring home some points.
Re: Butt and team were hoping against hope...........
Apparently they thought there was some chance that going off track would be seen as justified in the name of safety? But I can't see that. Flippy was not down on the apex at the turn; he left racing room. And Butt bailed early. He could have tapped the brakes and fallen back in behind Flippy if he thought Flippy was going to chop down on him.
Anyone else think there were lots of unpredictable factors at work all up and down the grid? Seems to me that the field spread out much earlier than previously. Huge gaps between places. Vettel lapped the field up through what.........8th? That means he was faster by at least 1.5 seconds/lap on everyone except the 6 guys immediately behind him. I'm reserving judgment on whether he's all that and a bag of chips for the season or if the chips just all fell his way today.
I'm not sure why Button and his team watching on TV didn't realize they needed to give the position back immediately. There was no question in my mind at the time and again after I went back to look at it again.
Apparently they thought there was some chance that going off track would be seen as justified in the name of safety? But I can't see that. Flippy was not down on the apex at the turn; he left racing room. And Butt bailed early. He could have tapped the brakes and fallen back in behind Flippy if he thought Flippy was going to chop down on him.
Anyone else think there were lots of unpredictable factors at work all up and down the grid? Seems to me that the field spread out much earlier than previously. Huge gaps between places. Vettel lapped the field up through what.........8th? That means he was faster by at least 1.5 seconds/lap on everyone except the 6 guys immediately behind him. I'm reserving judgment on whether he's all that and a bag of chips for the season or if the chips just all fell his way today.
tire stratedgy is going to be interesting, some teams only changed once, hard to soft ,while other teams went though 2-3 soft sets,and minimized thier use of the hard.Funny how last season the broadcast guys made such a big deal about the non refuel rule,now no mention to the viewers who might be new to F1.wierd.
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Jensen would have been 3rd without the drive through penalty, the race really didn't go his way. Massa is slow and really tough to pass and I think he was just frustrated. Obviously Massa gave up his position to Alonso immediately thereafter, which was good thinking for Ferrari but it made clear that he is happy with his subordinate position and therefore I've lost respect for him.
Great drive by Hamo. What was up with Webber pulling off immediately after the race? Was he having a mechanical issue or was he just having a childish outburst? Mercedes off to a bad start as well.
Great drive by Hamo. What was up with Webber pulling off immediately after the race? Was he having a mechanical issue or was he just having a childish outburst? Mercedes off to a bad start as well.
Re: Butt and team were hoping against hope...........
Enter the Ferrari fan boy...
I wouldn't put it past Ferrari either.
This is F1 no one like to lose possition.It is also fight between team mates,last year collision Vettel-Webber,and others Webber-Hamilton... no one wants to give up,it was obvious that Jason is faster than Massa.Thats racing you mast be fast,clever and have skills for overtaking(of course car is more important).For example Vettel passed Jason in 1/2 lap in Melbourn but we didin't see some good diffence from Jason.
I'm not sure why Button and his team watching on TV didn't realize they needed to give the position back immediately. There was no question in my mind at the time and again after I went back to look at it again.
Thank you for answering. He was asked by the team to stay out in front. When race control finally gave him the drive-thru, Ferrari reacted. Smart move on Ferrari's part letting Alonso get past Massa.
No doubt Jenson would have placed higher, possible podium, had he immediately given up position to Massa, but what are you gonna do? It was the team's decision, and the lag from race control, that's racing.
As for Webber, I think he had some kind of mechanical issue, brakes perhaps? I did see smoke coming from the front end.
Who's Jason?
It's Jenson Button, not Jason, or Jensen. :wink:
Re: Butt and team were hoping against hope...........
but..........
Take another look at the replay; they were side by side and JB had the inside line. The corner would have been his. Flippy knew that and left him a full car width at the apex expecting them to still be side by side through that 2nd turn. JB didn't need to bail and made a wrong decision.
But, lets give him the benefit of the doubt and agree that it was reasonable to believe that Flippy would wreck them both out. Why didn't he tap the brakes, give up 25 feet and let Flippy have the apex? We agree he could have done that and stayed on course, right? Going into the first (previous) corner on the outside, he should have that Plan B in his mind.
Anyway, Flippy was being defensive, but not blocking.
And after the fact, the Macca team, above all, should have seen that there was very little chance RC or the stewards would see it their way. They blew it when they failed to realize how Ferrari could come in and force a drive through. They should have cut their losses and realized that he had lost 2 places to the Red Cars, instead of 20 seconds in a drive thru.
Ferrari played that chess trap exactly right and JB and Macca walked right into it.
Hrant, you know how much we always see eye to eye on just about everything
but..........Take another look at the replay; they were side by side and JB had the inside line. The corner would have been his. Flippy knew that and left him a full car width at the apex expecting them to still be side by side through that 2nd turn. JB didn't need to bail and made a wrong decision.
But, lets give him the benefit of the doubt and agree that it was reasonable to believe that Flippy would wreck them both out. Why didn't he tap the brakes, give up 25 feet and let Flippy have the apex? We agree he could have done that and stayed on course, right? Going into the first (previous) corner on the outside, he should have that Plan B in his mind.
Anyway, Flippy was being defensive, but not blocking.
And after the fact, the Macca team, above all, should have seen that there was very little chance RC or the stewards would see it their way. They blew it when they failed to realize how Ferrari could come in and force a drive through. They should have cut their losses and realized that he had lost 2 places to the Red Cars, instead of 20 seconds in a drive thru.
Ferrari played that chess trap exactly right and JB and Macca walked right into it.
Re: Butt and team were hoping against hope...........
I'm gonna go watch the race again, brb.
Hrant, you know how much we always see eye to eye on just about everything
Take another look at the replay; they were side by side and JB had the inside line. The corner would have been his. Flippy knew that and left him a full car width at the apex expecting them to still be side by side through that 2nd turn. JB didn't need to bail and made a wrong decision.
But, lets give him the benefit of the doubt and agree that it was reasonable to believe that Flippy would wreck them both out. Why didn't he tap the brakes, give up 25 feet and let Flippy have the apex? We agree he could have done that and stayed on course, right? Going into the first (previous) corner on the outside, he should have that Plan B in his mind.
Anyway, Flippy was being defensive, but not blocking.
And after the fact, the Macca team, above all, should have seen that there was very little chance RC or the stewards would see it their way. They blew it when they failed to realize how Ferrari could come in and force a drive through. They should have cut their losses and realized that he had lost 2 places to the Red Cars, instead of 20 seconds in a drive thru.
Ferrari played that chess trap exactly right and JB and Macca walked right into it.
I'm gonna go watch the race again, brb.
Re: Butt and team were hoping against hope...........
I agree! Knowledge of how to play the rules in your favor is key in this sport. Perhaps JB/crew thought if he let Massa go he would have no choice but to also allow Alonso to pass and that would have been two positions. Hard to swallo. They gambled and lost.
As for JB tapping the brakes, it ain't going to happen at this level of competition. Heck even in HPDE we are seeing people's adrenalin take over their brains with dive bombing when specifically told not to do so ..... once you tighten those harnesses there is a neurological and chemcial reaction :tongue:
I agree! Knowledge of how to play the rules in your favor is key in this sport. Perhaps JB/crew thought if he let Massa go he would have no choice but to also allow Alonso to pass and that would have been two positions. Hard to swallo. They gambled and lost.
As for JB tapping the brakes, it ain't going to happen at this level of competition. Heck even in HPDE we are seeing people's adrenalin take over their brains with dive bombing when specifically told not to do so ..... once you tighten those harnesses there is a neurological and chemcial reaction
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Re: Butt and team were hoping against hope...........
I just rewatched the pass, Jenson didn't quite have the lead, even if there was a minuscule lead, wasn't enough. The team should have told Jenson to give up position, even if it was 2 positions. He could have taken Massa and Alonso further down the race.
I agree! Knowledge of how to play the rules in your favor is key in this sport. Perhaps JB/crew thought if he let Massa go he would have no choice but to also allow Alonso to pass and that would have been two positions. Hard to swallo. They gambled and lost.
As for JB tapping the brakes, it ain't going to happen at this level of competition. Heck even in HPDE we are seeing people's adrenalin take over their brains with dive bombing when specifically told not to do so ..... once you tighten those harnesses there is a neurological and chemcial reaction
I just rewatched the pass, Jenson didn't quite have the lead, even if there was a minuscule lead, wasn't enough. The team should have told Jenson to give up position, even if it was 2 positions. He could have taken Massa and Alonso further down the race.
Re: So, now it's the red mist, huh?
And of course you have to agree that he has the reactions and equipment to give up a car length. Giving Flippy the corner would have been almost routine and not worthy of comment. We've seen lots dicier moves pulled off by mid-pack wankers.
No one's ever accused JB of the red-mist.As for JB tapping the brakes, it ain't going to happen at this level of competition. Heck even in HPDE we are seeing people's adrenalin take over their brains with dive bombing when specifically told not to do so ..... once you tighten those harnesses there is a neurological and chemcial reaction
And of course you have to agree that he has the reactions and equipment to give up a car length. Giving Flippy the corner would have been almost routine and not worthy of comment. We've seen lots dicier moves pulled off by mid-pack wankers.
Looks like Vettel is the man to beat. He looks really fast again this year.
The team should have told JB to give the position back to Flippy right away.
Could have finished higher.
Perez was impressive for his first F1 start and only 1 tire change / pit stop.
Waiting to see what happens with the appeal.
What's the deal with the RB cars not using KERS ??
Maybe Seb did not need it but Webber surely did.
The team should have told JB to give the position back to Flippy right away.
Could have finished higher.
Perez was impressive for his first F1 start and only 1 tire change / pit stop.
Waiting to see what happens with the appeal.
What's the deal with the RB cars not using KERS ??
Maybe Seb did not need it but Webber surely did.
Of course NSXrebel,Jenson.I was dissapointed by Ferrari's speed and acussations about Massa.:frown:
Re: So, now it's the red mist, huh?
Are you calling JB a mid-pack wanker? He is the best British F-1 driver since Damon Hill, not including Lewis Hamilton. (D. Coulthard is Scottish, unfortunately):biggrin:
Massa was driving hard and JB isn't known as a passer. LH would have made it past, Vettel would have made it past (or crashed both of them), and Webber would have made it past.
Miner
Are you calling JB a mid-pack wanker? He is the best British F-1 driver since Damon Hill, not including Lewis Hamilton. (D. Coulthard is Scottish, unfortunately):biggrin:
Massa was driving hard and JB isn't known as a passer. LH would have made it past, Vettel would have made it past (or crashed both of them), and Webber would have made it past.
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