I'm preaty satisfied whit resoult of the race.Alonso brought home some points,but most important is that RB cars don't have advantage like before.It was race without lot of overtaking but it was interesting race.
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Actually Vettel has not set very many fastest laps this year [or last year if I remember correctly]. Not that it matters too much, you only need to go as fast as you have to to make sure you win :biggrin:
Anyway so far this year -
Australia: Massa had fastest lap, and Webber was quicker than Vettel.
Malayasia: Webber fastest, Vettel only 6th fastest.
China: Webber again, Vettel down in 8th place.
Turkey: Webber, Vettel 3rd fastest behind Alguersuari!!!
Spain: Hamilton, Vettel 4th Webber 5th.
Monaco: Webber from Vettel [both on lap 78]
Canada: Button from Vettel, Webber 8th.
Europe: Vettel from Alonso and Webber.
Britain: Alonso, Massa Vettel and Webber.
Germany: Hamilton, Webber Vettel.
The real surprise is how infrequently Alonso appears near the top. Some drivers just like to pace themselves, to good effect I might add :wink:
I think having the fastest lap during the race means very little. It all depends on race strategy, and race position.
If a driver does not need to push push push, they will not for fear of stuffing it into a wall (unless you are Lewis Hamilton)...Also, if you are on a newer set of the option tire for the last stint in the race, your times will be quicker since you have much less fuel, hence why J.Alge had a very quick lap that one race...
In the end, the only thing that matters is finishing position. In terms of ultimate pace, looking at qualifying would be a much better indicator of who is actually quick and who is less so. I think S.Vettel wins that battle coupled with his RB7.
If a driver does not need to push push push, they will not for fear of stuffing it into a wall (unless you are Lewis Hamilton)...Also, if you are on a newer set of the option tire for the last stint in the race, your times will be quicker since you have much less fuel, hence why J.Alge had a very quick lap that one race...
In the end, the only thing that matters is finishing position. In terms of ultimate pace, looking at qualifying would be a much better indicator of who is actually quick and who is less so. I think S.Vettel wins that battle coupled with his RB7.
Oy Vey.
Conspiracy theorists unite !
Does anyone else find the Mclarens and Ferraris sudden competitiveness vs RBR odd ?
Especially since Hami said they "knew" they were going to be uncompetitive this race.
Does anyone else find the Mclarens and Ferraris sudden competitiveness vs RBR odd ?
Especially since Hami said they "knew" they were going to be uncompetitive this race.
Not that odd.
Firstly different tracks suit various cars so you will always get some variation in competitiveness.
Secondly F1 developments come thick and fast, and it would seem RB are dragging their feet on development.
Thirdly the Pirelli tyres are changing in characteristics as the season progress, along with how they react to ambient temperatures. This will suit some cars/driver more than others. Webber has made no secret that he has struggled on the Pirellis this year, but is finding the lastest tyres more to his liking.
Lastly while the RB cars have been unbeatable in qualifying, their race pace has been closer to the hounding pack in the races. And now that they have to run the same engine mapping in qualifying as they do in the races, expect the RB cars to have a harder time in qualifying from now on too.
Firstly different tracks suit various cars so you will always get some variation in competitiveness.
Secondly F1 developments come thick and fast, and it would seem RB are dragging their feet on development.
Thirdly the Pirelli tyres are changing in characteristics as the season progress, along with how they react to ambient temperatures. This will suit some cars/driver more than others. Webber has made no secret that he has struggled on the Pirellis this year, but is finding the lastest tyres more to his liking.
Lastly while the RB cars have been unbeatable in qualifying, their race pace has been closer to the hounding pack in the races. And now that they have to run the same engine mapping in qualifying as they do in the races, expect the RB cars to have a harder time in qualifying from now on too.
From the BBC commentary, they mentioned Pirelli saying that the tires are the same compound, no change.
Perhaps you heard something out of context?
http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/93174
Pirelli wil try out a new version of its soft tyre in Friday practice at the German Grand Prix.
The tyre firm's motorsport boss Paul Hembery said the revised compound was part of efforts to make the Pirelli range slightly more durable to ensure the number of pitstops in races did not become excessive.
"It's not a big change from the current specification, but it is designed to fit in line with our latest versions of the P Zero Silver hard tyre and P Zero White medium, both of which are a little harder than their original specification in order to reduce degradation," he said.
Hembery added that the tyre was still being evaluated at present and there were no firm plans for its introduction.
"There's no decision yet on when we might use the new tyre yet, but it will be very interesting to hear all the feedback from the teams," he said.
They may not have used a "new"compound during that race, but it doesn't mean the tyres have not changed during the season.
http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/93174
Pirelli wil try out a new version of its soft tyre in Friday practice at the German Grand Prix.
The tyre firm's motorsport boss Paul Hembery said the revised compound was part of efforts to make the Pirelli range slightly more durable to ensure the number of pitstops in races did not become excessive.
"It's not a big change from the current specification, but it is designed to fit in line with our latest versions of the P Zero Silver hard tyre and P Zero White medium, both of which are a little harder than their original specification in order to reduce degradation," he said.
Hembery added that the tyre was still being evaluated at present and there were no firm plans for its introduction.
"There's no decision yet on when we might use the new tyre yet, but it will be very interesting to hear all the feedback from the teams," he said.
They may not have used a "new"compound during that race, but it doesn't mean the tyres have not changed during the season.
funny how all the teams were despising the harder white lettered tire saving it for the bitter end ,yet Hamo was pretty quick on it. The last lap pit stops were pretty cool.From what I can gather RB is most likely developing next years car while the other teams are still perfecting their current designs to try and catch up.RB has a pretty stout cushion for both sets of points.
A very interesting race today. I think Button drove one of his best races, and he earned it today. Tough day for the red cars, but they brought them home.
Miner
Miner
I really love wet race you never know who will finish first(if Senna wasn't driveing).Lewis got some good pace today but unfortunately tire degradation and wrong choice put him out of podium.Ferrari could done even better if afther first turn wasn't behind Mercedes.
Congrats to Jenson win for his 200 GP.
Congrats to Jenson win for his 200 GP.
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Button is really a top notch F1 pilot of the current generation. People talk about Vettel, Hamilton, and Alonso being better, I beg to differ.
I still remember Button's 2004 season, when he came in second in Driver's championship, behind the all conquered MS/Ferrari. He's got skills; in fact, he reminded me to Alain Prost with his smooth driving style.
I still remember Button's 2004 season, when he came in second in Driver's championship, behind the all conquered MS/Ferrari. He's got skills; in fact, he reminded me to Alain Prost with his smooth driving style.
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He is probably the most underrated of the current drivers. Haters said he was gonna get schooled and mopped by Hamilton. He's only 12 points behind Hamilton, and that's with 2 DNF's, thanks to his pit crew. I say he's doing a pretty damn good job so far. I wish he could have been champion for Honda while they were still around. If only Honda would have stuck around for just one more season....
I am so happy to see Button win today.
At this point of the season, Hamilton and Button have each won twice for McLaren. They are indeed a well matched pair of drivers.
F1 is simply having too many races in the season. This pace is unsustainable.
At this point of the season, Hamilton and Button have each won twice for McLaren. They are indeed a well matched pair of drivers.
F1 is simply having too many races in the season. This pace is unsustainable.
A driver needs 237.6 points to win the world championship. Vettel has 234 points now.
Re: Yeah, it's been over for awhile
money says it's gonna be Fred now, because;
1. he makes the fewest mistakes and the Red Cars have the pace now.
2. Hamo and crew have shot themselves in the foot too many times.
3. And someone has apparently bought off Butt's crew.
4. And since Webb hasn't learned how to start by now, not much chance he'll learn this season.
Anyone wanna put up a $20 on someone besides Fred?
I've been cogitatin' on who's gonna be 2nd. Smart (my :biggrin
money says it's gonna be Fred now, because;1. he makes the fewest mistakes and the Red Cars have the pace now.
2. Hamo and crew have shot themselves in the foot too many times.
3. And someone has apparently bought off Butt's crew.
4. And since Webb hasn't learned how to start by now, not much chance he'll learn this season.
Anyone wanna put up a $20 on someone besides Fred?
What makes you think this? I'd like 20 races spread over 40 weeks, every other weekend, and no summer break. Winston Cup is 36 races in about 40 weeks and those teams have been able to support it. I understand the racing is global and there is lots of international travel, but it is F1.
Miner
Re: Yeah, it's been over for awhile
I'm with you. Maybe Bernie will change the points mid-season to add some drama.
Miner
I've been cogitatin' on who's gonna be 2nd. Smart (my :biggrin
1. he makes the fewest mistakes and the Red Cars have the pace now.
2. Hamo and crew have shot themselves in the foot too many times.
3. And someone has apparently bought off Butt's crew.
4. And since Webb hasn't learned how to start by now, not much chance he'll learn this season.
Anyone wanna put up a $20 on someone besides Fred?
I'm with you. Maybe Bernie will change the points mid-season to add some drama.
Miner
???
I understand that is half the points possible, but at this point, I don't think ~238 would gaurantee the championship.
You are right. What I said only applies to a driver starting with no points now and having to win every race. But the current session is certainly not like that.
Re: Yeah, it's been over for awhile
Are you offering the field? If so, I'll take you up on that.
Are you offering the field? If so, I'll take you up on that.
Lewis Hamilton says, eloquently:
http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/93630
I think, finally, the battle has been joined. The real fireworks starts now.
http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/93630
"We're about to visit some really special venues: Spa-Francorchamps, Monza, Suzuka and Interlagos are some of the greatest tracks in the sport. You really feel their soul and their history."
I think, finally, the battle has been joined. The real fireworks starts now.
Re: Fred's gonna beat Hamo, Webb and Butt
But just for fun, not that it makes a difference to the bet, make a guess on who you think will be 2nd.
You're on. I'll pay you $20 if Fred is not 2nd and I'll collect $20 if he is.
But just for fun, not that it makes a difference to the bet, make a guess on who you think will be 2nd.
http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2011/08/06/sebastian-vettel-history-books/
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Driver Wins % of races won for every race entered
1 Michael Schumacher 91 32.62
2 Alain Prost 51 25.63
3 Ayrton Senna 41 25.47
4 Nigel Mansell 31 16.58
5 Jackie Stewart 27 27.27
6 Fernando Alonso 27 15.98
7 Jim Clark 25 34.72
8 Niki Lauda 25 14.62
9 Juan Manuel Fangio 24 47.06
10 Nelson Piquet 23 11.27
11 Damon Hill 22 19.13
12 Mika Hakkinen 20 12.42
13 Kimi Räikkönen 18 11.54
14 Stirling Moss 16 24.24
15 Sebastian Vettel 16 21.92
16 Lewis Hamilton 16 19.51
17 Graham Hill 14 8.00
18 Jack Brabham 14 11.38
19 Emerson Fittipaldi 14 9.72
20 Alberto Ascari 13 40.63
21 David Coulthard 13 5.28
