The Official 2010 F1 Megathread
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Re: "Catching them is one thing............
Passing them is quite another" as the old saying goes.
You know perfectly good and well why. Once Fred had the lead, the drama was over. JB didn't have quite enough car for Fred that day. But he didn't put a wheel wrong all day that I saw. I have been pleasantly surprised with his cool under pressure. :smile:
Damn, those tires are lasting forever. Vettel goes the whole race on softs????
WTF?
Passing them is quite another" as the old saying goes.
C'mon Jack, that was tongue in cheek, right?
You know perfectly good and well why. Once Fred had the lead, the drama was over. JB didn't have quite enough car for Fred that day. But he didn't put a wheel wrong all day that I saw. I have been pleasantly surprised with his cool under pressure. :smile:Damn, those tires are lasting forever. Vettel goes the whole race on softs????
WTF?
Re: "Catching them is one thing............
Do you think Alonso would have passed Button if he had held onto the lead after his pit? I honestly do not think so.
I think both cars were equal. After Button's pit crew messed up, Button and Mclaren realized it was going to be almost impossible to get the position back seein as how both cars were basically equal (in lap times).Passing them is quite another" as the old saying goes.
C'mon Jack, that was tongue in cheek, right?
Damn, those tires are lasting forever. Vettel goes the whole race on softs????
Do you think Alonso would have passed Button if he had held onto the lead after his pit? I honestly do not think so.
Re: Fred's equipment was better
Yes, JB would have held onto the lead. But Fred would've been on his ass all the way and he would have passed if JB made just a teensy little mistake.
However, IIRC, Fred basically walked away from JB when his tires came up to temp after the pit stop. (like up by 2 seconds within 2 laps and typically 4+ seconds spread thereafter). Fred could've made a semi-serious mistake and JB would not have been close enough to do anything. In fact Fred did cut the chicane very late in the race, but JB was nowhere to be found, so no penalty or challenge from JB.
So, if you're correct that the equipment was equal, are you saying JB just gave up and that's why he did not pressure Fred?
Yes, JB would have held onto the lead. But Fred would've been on his ass all the way and he would have passed if JB made just a teensy little mistake.
However, IIRC, Fred basically walked away from JB when his tires came up to temp after the pit stop. (like up by 2 seconds within 2 laps and typically 4+ seconds spread thereafter). Fred could've made a semi-serious mistake and JB would not have been close enough to do anything. In fact Fred did cut the chicane very late in the race, but JB was nowhere to be found, so no penalty or challenge from JB.
So, if you're correct that the equipment was equal, are you saying JB just gave up and that's why he did not pressure Fred?
Re: Fred's equipment was better
IIRC, Button was given some message over the radio about car/engine settings after Alonso passed him after the pitstop.
Also, Alonso was able to catch up to Button before he pitted due to some traffic.
Either way good race by the top 3 putting down fastest lap after fastest lap.
IIRC, Button was given some message over the radio about car/engine settings after Alonso passed him after the pitstop.
Also, Alonso was able to catch up to Button before he pitted due to some traffic.
Either way good race by the top 3 putting down fastest lap after fastest lap.
Re: "Catching them is one thing............
I agreed whit all.
Passing them is quite another" as the old saying goes.
C'mon Jack, that was tongue in cheek, right?
Damn, those tires are lasting forever. Vettel goes the whole race on softs????
I agreed whit all.
Travis County Commisioners meeting discussing the 2012 US Grand Prix.
http://jalopnik.com/5640308/county-commissioners-laugh-at-us-grand-prix-lawyer
Ouch...
http://jalopnik.com/5640308/county-commissioners-laugh-at-us-grand-prix-lawyer
Ouch...
Re: No surprises there
http://www.nsxprime.com/forums/showthread.php?t=136828&highlight=Austin+Formula+Track
Red flags from this "cardboard dummy" presentation:
1) the County Commission is just hearing about this now; no skids greasing necessary?
2) the design team is not in place yet. :redface:
3) cost/benefit analysis??? You mean Austin may not pay the entire bill and give Bernie all the income??? Oh, Bernie's not going to like that !!!
4) using terms like "we think" and "it's going to work" thru some "uncoventional process" County staff are going
5) "we think traffic can be handled with an (one) additional lane and traffic management." ROFLMAO (stop it you're killing me)
6) no mention of killing all the lawyers (that's the only way to expedite) :tongue:
7) I wonder if the Ron Paul guy was on his staff??? :biggrin:
Curmudgeon Central....... over and out
the script is playing out pretty much as expected. Just 4 months ago, we were having this discussion
http://www.nsxprime.com/forums/showthread.php?t=136828&highlight=Austin+Formula+Track
Red flags from this "cardboard dummy" presentation:
1) the County Commission is just hearing about this now; no skids greasing necessary?
2) the design team is not in place yet. :redface:
3) cost/benefit analysis??? You mean Austin may not pay the entire bill and give Bernie all the income??? Oh, Bernie's not going to like that !!!
4) using terms like "we think" and "it's going to work" thru some "uncoventional process" County staff are going
5) "we think traffic can be handled with an (one) additional lane and traffic management." ROFLMAO (stop it you're killing me)
6) no mention of killing all the lawyers (that's the only way to expedite) :tongue:
7) I wonder if the Ron Paul guy was on his staff??? :biggrin:
Ya know, I think I better back off from the 2016 date; too optomistic.
Curmudgeon Central....... over and out
I agree some testers were horrendous racers & vice versa (i.e. Looka-How-Bad-You-Are) but I would say more often than not, good development drivers are generally good racers (schumi, alonso, just to name a few).Haha, that's a good one Jack. Sounds like some plausible BS I try to blow by the uninitiated in my race reports. :biggrin: But, hey, always up for a good conspiracy theory. :wink:
How do you know Heidfeld is a better development driver? Did James, Joe, Will or someone say that and more importantly that Grosjean would be crap for testing? Some of the best testers were crap racers and vice-versa.
But let's just go with the assumption that Nico is better. Then that leads to this: Heidfeld pulled a fast one on Pirelli or even the FIA by getting out of the contract.
Of course, I'm so old and slow, I just think he wants to race and Sauber needs some speed. I never would have figured Pirelli would be so bold in their debut. But, in this day and age, something that simple couldn't possibly be the real reason, right?
JMHOWTFDIK :smile:
Heidfeld pulled a 'ninja vanish' on his contract with Pirelli and I agree, Sauber needed speed+Heidfeld wanted back into F1. I just find Pirelli's choice in development drivers to be horrid.
Re: So, just to clarify
1) Grosjean was indeed terrible as a racer and the fact that he had a crap car and crap team is no excuse.
2) He is documented to definitely not be a Luca or Pedro (excellent test drivers kept by the top teams for years, but crap racers)
or you are just betting the odds that say a crap racer is also a crap tester?
Just asking.
Do I understand this correctly..... that you believe that
1) Grosjean was indeed terrible as a racer and the fact that he had a crap car and crap team is no excuse.
2) He is documented to definitely not be a Luca or Pedro (excellent test drivers kept by the top teams for years, but crap racers)
or you are just betting the odds that say a crap racer is also a crap tester?
Just asking.
Re: So, just to clarify
I do believe option one and have heard rumblings of optin 2. I got sick over the weekend so I haven't had the chance to find the article.
Re: OK..................
I await further details and amplification. There is more.............right? :wink:
I await further details and amplification. There is more.............right? :wink:
Re: Where's the excitement?
The WDC is closer than it's been for almost 50 years (1962) and all your faves are in the hunt, but hardly a peep from this crowd. What happened, everyone move on to something else?
(And I say this, not having seen today's Q session yet.)
The WDC is closer than it's been for almost 50 years (1962) and all your faves are in the hunt, but hardly a peep from this crowd. What happened, everyone move on to something else?
(And I say this, not having seen today's Q session yet.)
Glad to see Red car ahead.Again FA did a great job.Tomorrow will be interesting race.
Side Note:
Great vid of Jenson and Lewis finding Senna's MP4-4.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6tQCXE7DDuc
Great vid of Jenson and Lewis finding Senna's MP4-4.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6tQCXE7DDuc
Very interesting race, Kubica was rather exciting to watch. Sure he was on fresh tires, nontheless, I pronounce him F1 driver of the year. It seems that Ferarri is finally able to take on the Red bulls. I really wanted Vettel to grow some balls and attempt a pass, since he was faster but, I suppose he has bigger plans. Too bad the McLarens was simply outclassed. Kudos to Alonso for driving the hell out of that Ferarri. It was sad to see Kobayashi and Hamilton crash out, Senna also but I guess it wouldn't have mattered. Oh, and Heiki was rather brave trying to keep his Lotus intact. I know Sandro's delighted, I await White0650's take on the current situation. Can't wait to see how things unfold in Japan.
You right 69XSN,but sure my friend Jack isn't.Alonso prove that he is one of best.Sorry for Lewis it was nice try but we all know Webber.I agree Kubica's
driving is fantastic wish to see him in faster car.Very interesting to see Heiki's Lotus in flame.
driving is fantastic wish to see him in faster car.Very interesting to see Heiki's Lotus in flame.
The Ferrari of Alonso is looking strong and in the class of the field, Massa not so much, but he did drive a solid race and it was the car that let him down. I think Weber drove a bit rough and should have been given some kind of penalty. For once Vettel drove a smart race.
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Re: Still a cliff hanger
Well, this season is still on a roller coaster ride that makes the stock market look predictable. I think it'll be a cliff hanger....... especially when we think back to the old days when Schumi had the title wrapped up before now. A few random possibilities:
Fred and Ferrari are looking strong now but they've been lost before and could be again if Fred's old engines don't hold up for 3, or is it 4? more races. Or if more tranny problems befall as they did this weekend.
RB come and go; you never know which RB is going to show up. The one who's 1/2 second up on the field all weekend or the one who suddenly can't manage Q3 traffic. Or the one whose car is "dying" on one lap and sets fast lap on the next. Webber dodged a bullet with his dust up with Louise, er, I mean Lewis, but it was a racing incident, so I agree with no penalty. He got the job done today with a 5th place car. He's still the odds on fave.
Macca's got some more aero tricks coming, so don't count them out yet. If they keep their nose clean while the others struggle with reliability or on-track judgment, either one of them could pull a rabbit out of the hat. Remember Kimi's WDC? Who would have predicted that?
Or it could be about the stewards; they're handing out cutting chicane penalties after the race is over???? WTF?? what's so difficult about those decisions? That's some juicy $hit for the conspiracy theorists.
Still could be any of the top 5 drivers if Korea happens. But I'm betting dinner and drinks in Sacto that it's not happening, so if there's only 3 more races Fred and Mark should be the show.
As Matchett keeps harping; if all else fails it'll be about reliability.
Anything can happen. :tongue:
Ok that's it for predictions. Were you all as impressed as I was with the emergency crews today? Pretty awesome, huh? They were so polite responding to Heiki's request for a .................FRIGGING FIRE EXTINGUISHER !! 
Well, this season is still on a roller coaster ride that makes the stock market look predictable. I think it'll be a cliff hanger....... especially when we think back to the old days when Schumi had the title wrapped up before now. A few random possibilities:
Fred and Ferrari are looking strong now but they've been lost before and could be again if Fred's old engines don't hold up for 3, or is it 4? more races. Or if more tranny problems befall as they did this weekend.
RB come and go; you never know which RB is going to show up. The one who's 1/2 second up on the field all weekend or the one who suddenly can't manage Q3 traffic. Or the one whose car is "dying" on one lap and sets fast lap on the next.
Webber dodged a bullet with his dust up with Louise, er, I mean Lewis, but it was a racing incident, so I agree with no penalty. He got the job done today with a 5th place car. He's still the odds on fave.Macca's got some more aero tricks coming, so don't count them out yet. If they keep their nose clean while the others struggle with reliability or on-track judgment, either one of them could pull a rabbit out of the hat. Remember Kimi's WDC? Who would have predicted that?
Or it could be about the stewards; they're handing out cutting chicane penalties after the race is over???? WTF??
what's so difficult about those decisions? That's some juicy $hit for the conspiracy theorists. Still could be any of the top 5 drivers if Korea happens. But I'm betting dinner and drinks in Sacto that it's not happening, so if there's only 3 more races Fred and Mark should be the show.
As Matchett keeps harping; if all else fails it'll be about reliability.
Anything can happen. :tongue:
Ok that's it for predictions. Were you all as impressed as I was with the emergency crews today? Pretty awesome, huh?
They were so polite responding to Heiki's request for a .................FRIGGING FIRE EXTINGUISHER !!
Re: Still a cliff hanger
JACK SPARROW'S LIST OF DRIVERS TO WIN RACES IN F1:
If BUTTON cannot win than>
JACK SPARROW'S LIST OF DRIVERS TO WIN RACES IN F1:
If BUTTON cannot win than>
HAMILTON>
If HAMILTON cannot win than>
WEBBER>
If WEBBER cannot win than>
KUBICA>
If KUBICA cannot win than I hope the rest of you crash and burn!
Re: Still a cliff hanger
I hated the start (Alonso bullying his way to 1st + Webber conceding so easily + Hamilton getting past Button), was intrigued to see if the Webber/RB pit stop strategy would work, sadened to see Kobayashi crash out, annoyed with Webber for taking out Hamilton + Button's lack of eagerness to get a spot on the podium, cheered for Kubica, LOL'd @ Heiki's future as a fire-fighter, and towards the end, an enemy of my enemy was a friend to me....I actually prayed for Seb to beat Alonso.
I fully believe that Alonso's engines will go and he will be taken out of the running within the next two races.
Fully agree and Singapore was no different.
I hated the start (Alonso bullying his way to 1st + Webber conceding so easily + Hamilton getting past Button), was intrigued to see if the Webber/RB pit stop strategy would work, sadened to see Kobayashi crash out, annoyed with Webber for taking out Hamilton + Button's lack of eagerness to get a spot on the podium, cheered for Kubica, LOL'd @ Heiki's future as a fire-fighter, and towards the end, an enemy of my enemy was a friend to me....I actually prayed for Seb to beat Alonso.
I still can't get over the idea that there are rules in Forumla 1 against team orders...without Ferrari screwing over Massa, Alonso would not be in the WDC fight. Yes, this could be taken as a direct argument FOR the abolishment of the team orders rule but IMO, that would not racing.
I fully believe that Alonso's engines will go and he will be taken out of the running within the next two races.
Definitely Webber's fault for DNF'in Hamilton but apparently Martin Brundle didn't wanna upset his buddy.RB come and go; you never know which RB is going to show up. The one who's 1/2 second up on the field all weekend or the one who suddenly can't manage Q3 traffic. Or the one whose car is "dying" on one lap and sets fast lap on the next.
Of the two McLaren drivers, we all know it will be Button who keeps a level head. If he can get podium finishes on the next three races, I think he will win again. Reliability doesn't seem to be as big of an issue with McLaren as the other teams.
Definitely a load of crap.Or it could be about the stewards; they're handing out cutting chicane penalties after the race is over???? WTF??
I'll take that bet in SoCal and say Korea does happen. :biggrin:Still could be any of the top 5 drivers if Korea happens. But I'm betting dinner and drinks in Sacto that it's not happening, so if there's only 3 more races Fred and Mark should be the show.
Heiki is a badass for sticking it out in the car for as long as he did and than putting out the fire himself. That's dedication.As Matchett keeps harping; if all else fails it'll be about reliability.
Anything can happen. :tongue:
Ok that's it for predictions. Were you all as impressed as I was with the emergency crews today? Pretty awesome, huh?
Re: FIA gives in on Team Orders
Did you catch the Speed boys saying that team orders are going to be legal? next year I think they said. I follow all the arguments about "pure racing" etc, but I dunno, it is a team sport and about so much more than a single driver. So the argument can be made that the WCC should actually be more important than the WDC and that team orders are an important tool to the team. If this race had been a couple of laps longer, Fred would've needed team orchestrated help from Flippy to block Seb. Guess I've been sipping the Matchett kool-aid, but I tend to not care (root) that much for individual drivers (those carpet baggers) and think the teams should prevail over drivers.
Checking my schedule now. :biggrin:
How about 1 car per team. Get a few more teams in there, or split up the ones we have already.
Re: More teams or more 3 car teams?
Wasn't Ferrari suggesting that the major teams be allowed to run a 3rd car instead of trying to bulk up the grid with hopelessly underfunded new teams who take forever, if ever, to get competitive.
I dunno what the answer is since, contrary to our hope for pure racing, it always gravitates back to the money and that is hopelessly mired in politics.
Kind of like big corporations and airlines; they get fewer, bigger, richer and stronger. :frown:
Hmmmm, in theory that would be a good thing to try. But, as we all know, nothing theoretical and straightforward happens in F-1. So, how does your idea fit with Ferrari wanting to run a 3rd car? Just supposing that this could be forced through without Ferrari, for example, leaving, how would Ferrari really manage 2 or 3 teams under the guise of being independent?
Wasn't Ferrari suggesting that the major teams be allowed to run a 3rd car instead of trying to bulk up the grid with hopelessly underfunded new teams who take forever, if ever, to get competitive.
I dunno what the answer is since, contrary to our hope for pure racing, it always gravitates back to the money and that is hopelessly mired in politics.
Kind of like big corporations and airlines; they get fewer, bigger, richer and stronger. :frown:
Money buys speed no doubt,but I'm sure that the backmarker teams look at what Brawn did with the old Honda team and that gives them hope.I hear the rules may radicaly change the formula in a few years..that may hurt the lower budget teams more trying to implement those changes compared to the top 4 teams.Team orders are a funny thing in F1 each driver has his own (micro team) that compete with each other within the broader factory effort.Plus with customer teams on an engine package that get lucky with the chassis and start to eclipse the factory...what happens then:wink:
