The Official 2010 F1 Megathread

[Jack Sparrow]

Re: More teams or more 3 car teams?

Did you catch the Speed boys saying that team orders are going to be legal? next year I think they said. I follow all the arguments about "pure racing" etc, but I dunno, it is a team sport and about so much more than a single driver. So the argument can be made that the WCC should actually be more important than the WDC and that team orders are an important tool to the team. If this race had been a couple of laps longer, Fred would've needed team orchestrated help from Flippy to block Seb. Guess I've been sipping the Matchett kool-aid, but I tend to not care (root) that much for individual drivers (those carpet baggers) and think the teams should prevail over drivers.


Checking my schedule now. :biggrin:

I actually did catch the Speed guys talking about the team orders rule becoming a thing of the past. I do believe they said the FIA would look into the rule and do something about it...I just dont remember when that would be executed.

If it is abolished, F1 might as well get rid of the WDC because I don't see how it would hold any weight with team orders being involved. It's not racing IMO and I would be very disappointed with F1 in general, as would others.

IF Singapore had been 10 more laps, Vettel would have taken out Alonso during an attempt to 'pass', Alonso & Ferrari would have cried to the high heavens, and Webber or Button would have been the benefactors of it all.

Hmmmm, in theory that would be a good thing to try. But, as we all know, nothing theoretical and straightforward happens in F-1. So, how does your idea fit with Ferrari wanting to run a 3rd car? Just supposing that this could be forced through without Ferrari, for example, leaving, how would Ferrari really manage 2 or 3 teams under the guise of being independent?

Wasn't Ferrari suggesting that the major teams be allowed to run a 3rd car instead of trying to bulk up the grid with hopelessly underfunded new teams who take forever, if ever, to get competitive.

I dunno what the answer is since, contrary to our hope for pure racing, it always gravitates back to the money and that is hopelessly mired in politics.

Kind of like big corporations and airlines; they get fewer, bigger, richer and stronger. :frown:

Although I ripped Sam Posey last debrief for his moronic 'psychic powers' argument, I have to agree with him after this weekends Monza debrief. F1 should stop regulating the costs and focus on bringing something that can directly influence commerical automobile design. Posey suggested fuel. Give all teams a limit and than see what can be done.

Single car teams would be no different than 3 car teams or 2.

 

[NSXrebel]

Money buys speed no doubt,but I'm sure that the backmarker teams look at what Brawn did with the old Honda team and that gives them hope.I hear the rules may radicaly change the formula in a few years..that may hurt the lower budget teams more trying to implement those changes compared to the top 4 teams.Team orders are a funny thing in F1 each driver has his own (micro team) that compete with each other within the broader factory effort.Plus with customer teams on an engine package that get lucky with the chassis and start to eclipse the factory...what happens then:wink:

why would it give new/backmarker teams hope?

Sure Brawn brings his expertise to the team, but have no doubt, that was a HONDA car that won the WDC. Honda spent some good coin to build a winning car, up to a 1 1/2 years in advance of the 2009 season. A new aerodynamicist was brough in, after that motorcycle aerodynamicist they brought in from MotoGP failed to improve the car.

Something about the data they had in their wind tunnel was also wrong, which explains why the Honda cars were so slow.

Just because Honda sold the team to Brawn for cheap, doesn't mean you can win or even race with little money. Don't forget Honda also provided Ross Brawn with some funds to run the team.

I have no doubts if Honda had stayed in F1, they still would have won.

 

[Sandro]

Guy's 4 races to the end.What are/is your opinion who's gonna be champ this year.As you know Alonso is my man but think that this year will be Mark's year.I'll think that Red Bull car is still most complete and fastest in any circuit.

 

[92 white 0650]

Re: Well, if I had to guess........

and it is definitely a guess, with Korea out (Jack's gonna owe me dinner) I'll take Fred..............no, Mark...................ummmm, wait, Fred, yes, Fred, unless, Mark gets the good tweaks, which he may not get with pouty Seabass not being a team player.................

However, if I'm wrong and Korea is run, I dunno, it could be any one of the 5. Hamo is the dark horse, but I'll still go with Mark..............no Fred, yes Fred, except his luck can be bad, then Mark's got it.

Yep, that's my final answer; Probably Mark or 'Fred but possibly Hamo. :wink:

Oh never mind; it's a crap-shoot.

 

[Jack Sparrow]

Re: Well, if I had to guess........

However, if I'm wrong and Korea is run, I dunno, it could be any one of the 5. Hamo is the dark horse, but I'll still go with Mark..............no Fred, yes Fred, except his luck can be bad, then Mark's got it.

NY Steak + parmesean truffle fries & a couple of drinks...thats my order at STK.:biggrin::biggrin::biggrin::biggrin:



Prediction:

• Alonso's engines will go and he'll be forced to take a grid penalty which takes him out of the equation.
• Webber and Vettel will butt heads once more and the infighting will take RB out of the race.
• It will be between Button or Hamilton. McLaren is the most reliable (barring any human error - i.e. Button @ Monaco).
• What I want: Jenson Button wins his second straight championship.
• What I think: Hamilton will regain his compsure and narrowly eek out the championship.

 

[Sandro]

Come on Ted.I'm waiting ,try.

 

[92 white 0650]

Re: OK, here it comes.........

Korea's dead. Bernie's saying they need to get lucky to make it. Sure, sure, Bernie says whatever he wants for whyever he wants. But in this case, the reality is obvious and not within Bernie's political control.

Buying my plane ticket for LA and dinner on Jack. :wink:

 

[SFNSXguy]

Don't understand talk of Korea being "dead"... please explain. Two friends toured the facilities a week ago and say all is A-OK. (I know about the crane falling on the grandstand.)

 

[Jack Sparrow]

Don't understand talk of Korea being "dead"... please explain. Two friends toured the facilities a week ago and say all is A-OK.

Bernie recently stated he didn't think it was looking like there would be a Korean GP. Their inspection date occured some time back in sept and they failed. The track is supposed to pass 90 days prior to the race. Their re-test is comin up during the Japanese GP weekend.

 

[92 white 0650]

Re: AC needs cure time

They are way behind on the FIA and/or FOM inspection schedule (like by 70+ days).

They would have to be laying AC now round the clock for the surface to be 1/2 way acceptable by race time. And they'd have to get it right the first time; not a slam dunk by any means if you've ever been involved with even city street paving. Race tracks are another level up in terms of quality control.

Not looking good for the project managers.

 

[oscar_driver]

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[Jack Sparrow]

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That was great, are there more for previous races? Where did you get it from?

 

[ChopsJazz]

What is with the current trend of attacking the number-two grid driver off the start lately? Alonso had no business driving Vettel into the wall to driver's left as he needed to to swing back over to his right for turn one. It was just a blatant attack.

 

[SFNSXguy]

What is with the current trend of attacking the number-two grid driver off the start lately? Alonso had no business driving Vettel into the wall to driver's left as he needed to to swing back over to his right for turn one. It was just a blatant attack.

+1 Schumacher started this way back and the FIA should have put an end to it right away. Racing is racing, but eventually this is gonna hurt a driver or spectator. Besides, when a healthy competitor is eliminated at the first corner (or before) it kills the rest of the race for me.

 

[Sandro]

Move like that is normal in F1 racing(since I'm following F1 early 90).But what Shumy don that was very stupid.

 

[92 white 0650]

Re: Bet on meaningless trivia, anyone?

Well, since no one seems to want to comment on, let alone predict the outcome of the no-holds-barred, team-orders-be-damned, barn-burning alley fight for the WDC over the final 3 races, let's argue and bet on something no one cares about anymore; will Mikey be back in 2011?

Here's the stage being set;
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/motorsport/formula_one/9037790.stm

Of course, a new car design and totally different tires as well as he's got nowhere left to go but up could be enough reason to give it one more season.

So, anyone care or have an opinion? (we'll see if this brings Shawn out of the shadows)

 

[SFNSXguy]

Re: Bet on meaningless trivia, anyone?

Of course, a new car design and totally different tires as well as he's got nowhere left to go but up could be enough reason to give it one more season.

With MB busting their hump to give him a car he likes, yes, of course he'll be back. AND he will be faster. A lot faster. (Don't get me wrong, I'm about as far away from a Schumi fan as one can get, but crap he IS good in the right car.)

My personal position: anyone who runs into a competitor on purpose or pulls outlandish stunts to win races doesn't deserve to be World Champion -- no matter how good their driving skills. Racing involves morals for me.
So, Ayrton, Schumi and Alonso do not meet my standards -- but their skills are appreciated.

 

[Sandro]

My opinion MS will never be fast as he was.It's not easy to turn back and be fast but his team mate is not Lewis or Fernando he is beaten most of the races by Nico who is IMO not top driver.

 

[SFNSXguy]

Button never looked too good until he got a car that suited him.

 

[lightguy]

Guy's 4 races to the end.What are/is your opinion who's gonna be champ this year.As you know Alonso is my man but think that this year will be Mark's year.I'll think that Red Bull car is still most complete and fastest in any circuit.

The Gods look down upon Webber favorably;


http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/87023

 

[lightguy]

Re: Bet on meaningless trivia, anyone?

Well, since no one seems to want to comment on, let alone predict the outcome of the no-holds-barred, team-orders-be-damned, barn-burning alley fight for the WDC over the final 3 races, let's argue and bet on something no one cares about anymore; will Mikey be back in 2011?

Here's the stage being set;
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/motorsport/formula_one/9037790.stm

Of course, a new car design and totally different tires as well as he's got nowhere left to go but up could be enough reason to give it one more season.

So, anyone care or have an opinion? (we'll see if this brings Shawn out of the shadows)

Mercedes is too cheap to pay someone to sit on their behind.
MS drives till the contract expires.
Besides, he doesnt have to be The Best.
All he has to be is slightly luckier than his team-mate. If they are in The Best car.

 

[lightguy]

Button never looked too good until he got a car that suited him.

Rubens looked quite fashionable as well.

PS;
It ALL about the car.

 

[MetalSpikeRacing]

Rubens looked quite fashionable as well.

PS;
It ALL about the car.

You're right.

Oh, a Mexican will be back to a Formula one race for 2011, Sauber just signed Sergio Perez!!
I hope he can hang around for a while, I saw him winning at Hockemheim this year, he is pretty fast.

-MSR

 

[Sandro]

Rubens looked quite fashionable as well.

PS;
It ALL about the car.

It is about car but there are no major changes for next year cars like it was for passed year.So think that will be no big difference next year.

 

[lightguy]

You're right.

Oh, a Mexican will be back to a Formula one race for 2011, Sauber just signed Sergio Perez!!
I hope he can hang around for a while, I saw him winning at Hockemheim this year, he is pretty fast.

-MSR

For the most part Mexican (and American) drivers have never really impressed me.
S Speed was as good as Liuzzi (sp?) but when he was replaced with Vettle we actually saw what could be wrung out of that car as SV was substantially faster than Liuzzi.
I did watch Perez in GP2 and while not stellar like Hami or Nico R he did handle himself very well.
I'll be watching him next year and good luck to him.