The NSX is not a torque monster, if you are used to driving cars with lots of torque then an NSX will always feel slow even if it's actually faster as it just pulls constantly but with a lesser amount of torque, where as other cars will pull to a certain point and then run out of air and the torque drops off...area under the curve could be the same but one will "feel" faster than the other.
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The NSX is not a torque monster, if you are used to driving cars with lots of torque then an NSX will always feel slow even if it's actually faster as it just pulls constantly but with a lesser amount of torque, where as other cars will pull to a certain point and then run out of air and the torque drops off...area under the curve could be the same but one will "feel" faster than the other.
All of us hard core owners and even those that just love their NSXs are not in them because they are a power house - how one drives the car is not the issue - sure anyone knows that if you just poot around in one it will seem docile. Step on it and it'll seem faster - get it into the VTECH range and it will seem even faster - till you run out of road - but it will not seem fast like some any V8 sports sedan or sports car - it's just older technology. They still seem fast to me - but they are not as fast as a new 911 - well duh - that's cause they don't have 400 +hp - and not like a turbo 911 - and stock 911Turbos don't have 700 hp - who would possibley need that anyway - the 911Turbo is amazingly fast in stock form. Even the GT2 doesn't have 700 hp. But that isn't the argument here.
If you want a lot of power - the NSX isn't the bird for you or anyone looking for lots of torque be it straight line or usable track power. The NSX can't keep up - it's still fast - you just have to want it because of WHAT IT IS. It's either a car for you or it's not.
I love the car - I would like to have lots of cars - and it may be that my own desire for faster and more powerful autos will eventually lead me away from the NSX - I don't know but it will always be a very unique and special car and will always be remembered as such. It may never get to be as famous or collectible as some - but so what. It's still a great car and I'm very thankful that it was made. I'm happy to be the steward owner as long as I have it - it will remain in good shape so if and when it is ever sold someone will be happy with what they get! That's what is important about preserving these cars. They are truly important cars! Cars that matter! Cars that should be preserved, owned and enjoyed!
If you want a lot of power - the NSX isn't the bird for you or anyone looking for lots of torque be it straight line or usable track power. The NSX can't keep up - it's still fast - you just have to want it because of WHAT IT IS. It's either a car for you or it's not.
I love the car - I would like to have lots of cars - and it may be that my own desire for faster and more powerful autos will eventually lead me away from the NSX - I don't know but it will always be a very unique and special car and will always be remembered as such. It may never get to be as famous or collectible as some - but so what. It's still a great car and I'm very thankful that it was made. I'm happy to be the steward owner as long as I have it - it will remain in good shape so if and when it is ever sold someone will be happy with what they get! That's what is important about preserving these cars. They are truly important cars! Cars that matter! Cars that should be preserved, owned and enjoyed!
And I guarantee YOU that if I drive a Z06 and barely touch the throttle, it will seem slow if I DON'T hit it.
Again - any car can be driven gently, so that it seems slow. That's what the OP was doing - he confirmed it - and that's my point. Since you can't understand what he wrote, then clearly you are the one who's slow.
I hate it when the boards get trashed by ignorant newbies who don't bother reading other people's posts, don't own an NSX, never drove one either, don't know what they're talking about, etc...
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I test drove it again, and it feels pretty good 4k RPM and UP.
There ya go.
Some good points here, but I think we need to clarify some things.
1) VTEC is not just Variable Valve Timing. It's full name is "Variable Valve Timing and Lift Electronic Control". The "Lift Electronic Control" is very important to the VTEC operation. Not only does the VTEC system control valve timing, but it also controls the activation of the 2nd set of cam lobes which change the lift and duration of the valves opening/closing at higher RPMs.
2) VTEC, on some Honda motors, does increase acceleration by increasing torque after engagement. The NSX is debateable as the peak torque happens just before engagement (some dynos show peak torque just after engagement). The B series DOHC VTEC and the S2000 motors are prime examples of inceased acceleration due to increased torque after VTEC engages. (Note the spike up in torque/horsepower).
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I believe the NSX system to be similar in function, but is less dramatic in the changeover as the S2000 and the B18Cs for example.
3) Some VTEC systems are designed for fuel economy (VTEC-E), used in the mid/late 1990s Honda Civic HX models.
Regardless of what happens, you are REQUIRED to shout out
"VTEC just kicked in YO!" once it is activated. Otherwise it doesn't work and the car feels slow. :smile:
My comments were about a stock NSX, not about other cars. Here is the horsepower/torque curve for a stock NSX with the 3.0-liter and 3.2-liter engine; as you can see, there is no significant increase in torque at the VTEC crossover point (although when the engine gets louder it can sometimes be perceived as an increase in acceleration):
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My 911TT isn't stock, but then again neither is my NSX. It's not about "needing" the power - it's about "wanting" it. Once you experience a high power car you can't help but want to get that feeling over and over again. If it were all about "need" we would all be driving a Prius or Yaris because who really needs more than 100 HP to go 60 mph? As has been mentioned by yourself and others in this thread the NSX is not a power machine when compared to newer cars today. In my opinion the NSX was overhyped for years by a "honda friendly" media. I know now that some magazines that I read who raved about the car were also receiving big dollar advertising campaigns. All the hype is what leads people like myself to become really disappointed on a first test drive. I expected so much more than what was delivered. I suspect that is the same for the Lazyboy.
For the same money as an NSX today you could get a 996 Turbo, Z06, Viper, etc. Each of these cars would eat a stock NSX alive in a straight line. So don't buy a stock NSX if you want a power machine - you will find modded SRT-4's and stock Mustangs that will hand you your lunch. Buy an NSX if you like the looks, the sound, the exclusivity and reasonable performance. That is why I got mine.
Maybe your being delusional with the hype part and you want the car to be something its not. The performance specs are out in the open for everyone to see. The NSX is a solid 13 second car stock, your coming from a 700hp car. How did you expect it to feel compared to that? Also the only thing the NSX really lacked stock was the brakes, but they never bragged about that in mags unless your talking about a 91 review when pretty much all car's brakes sucked.
Again I have never read any magazine hyping the NSX to be a straight line monster. But the car is very quick for the power it has, it can run neck to neck with a stock C5 vette ( which makes over 300whp stock by the way ) but its built eleventy billion times better hence why it still commands a premium over a standard C5 today.
Ha the Z06 isn't really a "real" exotic and I think the NSX is way more exotic (still love the Z06 though), go back to 1992 and even the straight line performance is very good for that time period...
I touch the throttle on the Z06 (the car is FAST!), thats mostly the feel of powerful low end torque, for example if I were to touch the throttle on a faster straight line car with a lower displacement V8, V12, turbo, etc. it probaly won't "feel" as impressive...
The NSX isn't a powerhouse and its really made for tracks with curves, correct, but I don't think it could ever be called slow even in a straight line to this day. The truth is, that it is under powered for -2011- yes but its still not SLOW, 168-175 MPH is not slow for a road car! But as alot of owners here have stated they have bought the car for exotic status and timeless looks, all around performance, reliability, etc. :biggrin:
I kind of find it funny how some here consider the NSX an exotic when its not. Sure its rare, but its no exotic. I am getting one because they are really nice cars and yes, rare. I would be embarrased to consider it an exotic though.
But yes, the NSX in closer to being an exotic than a Z06 and only...just only because of limited production.
OP, bottom line as all of us here can agree is the NSX is more of a symbol to Hondas racing background and how it handles around the track. Dont expect to go the the drag strip with this. Most people here including myself like these cars because od the exclusiveness and timeless beauty that they represent and I don't think anyone can disagree on that. Want a fast car of the bat? Go elsewhere. Want art on wheels? Get a NSX.
OP, bottom line as all of us here can agree is the NSX is more of a symbol to Hondas racing background and how it handles around the track. Dont expect to go the the drag strip with this. Most people here including myself like these cars because od the exclusiveness and timeless beauty that they represent and I don't think anyone can disagree on that. Want a fast car of the bat? Go elsewhere. Want art on wheels? Get a NSX.
All aluminum, mid engine design, hand built, design and handling input from arguably the best F1 driver of all time, motor revs to 8000 rpm, limited production ultra rare, as capable or better than most exotics when it was released (including Ferrari), revered in its country of origin. All this in showrooms in 1990.
Yes, it is an exotic.
And lets not forget, Jeremy Clarkson said it was a supercar. That's a stamp of approval right there.
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Sorry, you brought that on yourself . . .
I'm afraid I did....
So let me ask... is the nsx slow and not an exotic? Or is it just slow but it is at least an exotic? Or is it fast but not exotic... or maybe its fast AND an exotic? I mean.... Can I get a straight answer here?
COUNTLESS auto mags from all around the globe called the NSX an exotic; contrary to a clueless noob who says otherwise. As NSXTASY has already stated, I GET TIRED of reading inaccurate statements by people who have never even owned an NSX, read about or researched the car:frown:
Why wouldn't it be an exotc? Want to know the reason why some people don't consider it an exotic. If its cause its not as fast as some compact cars of today then you need to recheck what makes a car an exotic. Some argue weather its a supercar or not, but never heard anyone deny the fact the NSX is an exotic.
And I guarantee YOU that if I drive a Z06 and barely touch the throttle, it will seem slow if I DON'T hit it.
Again - any car can be driven gently, so that it seems slow. That's what the OP was doing - he confirmed it - and that's my point. Since you can't understand what he wrote, then clearly you are the one who's slow.
I hate it when the boards get trashed by ignorant newbies who don't bother reading other people's posts, don't own an NSX, never drove one either, don't know what they're talking about, etc...
Ouch!
"Exotic", like "slow", is merely a word, and its definition may vary depending on who's using it. So it's just a matter of semantics, and it's all subjective. One person says it's exotic, another doesn't, and what's to argue?
However, a bone stock '91-94 NSX is capable of accelerating from a stop to the end of a quarter mile in about 13.8 seconds. Maybe you consider that to be slow, maybe you don't, but that is its capability. (Just don't take twice as long to do the quarter mile in that car and then complain that it's slow!)
However, a bone stock '91-94 NSX is capable of accelerating from a stop to the end of a quarter mile in about 13.8 seconds. Maybe you consider that to be slow, maybe you don't, but that is its capability. (Just don't take twice as long to do the quarter mile in that car and then complain that it's slow!)
Weight reduction??? I saw like 10kg of added weight on the floor of the passenger side alone...
I think what you meant to say was: "pretty impressive run considering the increased weight the NSX was having to haul!" :biggrin:
Sounds awesome!
NSX owners,
Just go for a drive and enjoy your cars. Why even bother whether it is considered an exotic or not by the people who don't even own one?
Yeah... it is really a personal preference. If the NSX appeals to you for whatever reason, buy it and enjoy.
As for me, there are very few cars in the similar price range I would trade the NSX for.
Well now, since you mentioned there are "few" cars - what would they be? Just curious. That's in the same price range....
LOL... :wink: You got me there. There are just two more toys that I want to add to my garage - Porsche 997 S and Ferrari 360. Not to say that they are better or worse than the NSX, I just like them. And no, they are not in the same price range.
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