NSX-R 24h race car

NSXGOD said:
Yup, it sure is a "hack job" if I ever saw one. Do you hate every car that isn't yours or what?

sigh - this forum is amazing.

I wouldn't say it's a "hack job" but that front bumper look really out of place.
 
NSXGOD said:
Yup, it sure is a "hack job" if I ever saw one. Do you hate every car that isn't yours or what?

sigh - this forum is amazing.

Is your level of professionalism really that low? Have you seen a real factory works race car? Good thing this NSX-R race car wasn't built by Honda, otherwise it would be a real disgrace to Honda engineering. M3 GTR wing, are you kidding me?!

What are you so worked up about anyway? Just because the car sports a few parts supplied by you--which you didn't design anyway, so I don't see how you can take credit for them--doesn't mean everyone has to like it.
 
Yeah George, whats up with that? I remember a black nsx a while back that got hacked unhacked hacked unhacked if I can recall. :P And it never raced.

NSXGOD said:
Yup, it sure is a "hack job" if I ever saw one. Do you hate every car that isn't yours or what?

sigh - this forum is amazing.
 
NSX-R

Hi guys,

surely as all in the world its a question of taste.
Please remember that this 24h project starts this year in february.
You all can imagine, how difficult it is getting parts (body parts) in this short time.
For the Type R spec its nearly impossible,

The car was parked by each manufacturer for long time, because the most of these parts are prototypes like the exhaust system.
Each manufacturer produced his part and got an article in the magazine after. Thats sponsoring.

So, the wing is incredible huge, maybe too huge.
But the NSX-R was in wind tunnel for two days
(FORD in Cologne, because HONDA Germany has no air tunnel) and all parts worked very well, also this wing has a much better aerodynamic and an incredible downforce like the OEM one.
Sounds incredible but its true,

Also the front bumper is nearly OEM style, only with some round adds for the brake cooling system.
It looks a little bit different, because the black silicone stripes between the parts (close the body gaps for a better aerodynamic) are too dominant.

At the pictures you cant see, hear and feel that car.
After a test drive your opinion about all would be different.
Than you would know why the car is like he is.
I saw that car last weekend and I was very impressed.
All this cf stuff is very nice.

I would take the car at once.

P.S. The german Honda R&D boss ( an japanese guy) said to the
team manager, that he did a great job.
And surely this man knows about what he speaks.

So, lets have fun to know tha this car exist.

I'll take my HONDA cap and jacket and I'll visit the race.
I know there is something special.
 
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kenjiMR said:
Yeah George, whats up with that? I remember a black nsx a while back that got hacked unhacked hacked unhacked if I can recall. :P And it never raced.

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Hi Detlef,

Forget about the comments on the car's looks. It is ment for racing and not for show. If the best looking car finishes last nobody will take a look any more while vice versa the most ugly car will win everybody will want one.

Thanks for the full list of specs. Since you mention they have not touched the engine I suppose this means that a standard NSX-R engine wll have 320HP. That's quite an up from the 280 HP as mentioned in all the factory paperwork. I'm not suprised it does so well then.
I read the suspension and swaybars have been changed. I thought the NSX-R already had excellent suspension ?? Or are some modifications more because of the added sponsoring or lost weight than for pure performance.
One more about those wheels. Are these not the same wheels that Armin Hahne always gets broken in his NSX in the DTM races ?

Anyway, I surely hope they will finish good. The competition is realy strong so it will be up to the driver and the car.
 
MvM said:
Forget about the comments on the car's looks. It is ment for racing and not for show. If the best looking car finishes last nobody will take a look any more while vice versa the most ugly car will win everybody will want one.

Well said !
 
NSX-R

Hi guys,

thx for your response.
Seems that you understand the sense.

Nevertheless the car got more power with the special racing exhaust system, a very special ECU from HONDA Japan
and the complete DaliRacing Air Intake, contents all what is good.
(More isnt possible without open the engine)
But HONDA Japan's wish was don't touching the engine.

For the BBS magnesium wheels they use a special centric system (A special hub with + 30mm lenght leads the wheel)
and special wheel studs (5x)
So that system seems to be durable.

For the SPA-Francorchamps experts:
Best lap time last monday at 1th roll out was: 2.38 minutes

The OEM suspension is tuned for the OEM unspringed measures.
Now all is bigger and heavier.
Also the slick tires have about 20% more grip level than OEM.
So the OEM suspension is overcharged very soon....
especially at northern loop

That means they need a stronger damper with an special ground
ventil, also the springs are much higher in rate.
The swaybars actually reached ~25 mm.

All in all we must wait to see the result.
But remember that the sport auto drivers are not really professional drivers.
So, the result will be never as good as it could be with some famous drivers.

But Armin Hahne shouldnt race with this car, he has killed to many NSX with his way to drive in the past.
The NSX-R is made for soft fast driving (round style), not for
drivers with the knife between the teeth.

P.S. One japanese technican inspected the cf side vents before installation.
He removed the OEM vents ( weight 1.150 g each and installed the Dali ones with 210 g each)
So....... question ?
What parts is worth to call it Type R ?

I bet that we will see that stuff at next NSX-R generation....
 
Guys, I wasn't saying the car is not "pretty." I thought it's obvious that no one is going to comment on how cute or pretty a race car looks. There have been many successful race cars that are plain ugly, Porsche 935 comes to mind. What I was commenting on was that the car was put together unprofessionally(especially when looking only at the first picture posted), something like I could have done in my garage. Like I said, if this was a factory works car, it would definately be a lot more professional in construction(just compared this NSX-R to a Porsche GT3R which I believe is in the same class and built with similar budget). But anyway, I never said the car is slow, and I do wish it will obtain success in the race.

If my saying "hack job" offended any of you, I offer my apology.
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class certification

NSX-R

This car will race in group A6, the Porsches will be in A7 and higher.
The Porsches GT3R and the biturbos are nearly 1 minute faster.
but they have 100-250 HP more. They are real GT cars,
the NSX-R is a N+ car.

The link for the 24h race is:
www.24h-rennen.de
Link: Starterliste

The main concurrents are a wild pack of BMW M3 3.2l with simular power. 1 Honda against ~25 BMW's.

The newest technical changes are:
Slotted rotors at the Brembo brake kit (the drilled version collapsed) The rotors wrenched until to the hubs.

Eibach must deliver a new, stronger damper and spring kit.

The tire choice for the race is BF Goodrich (sponsor), not Michelin.

Engine and gearbox (stock) works perfect. Typical HONDA.

The clutch is rebuild by SACHS, with a lighter flywheel and a special face.

The unknow factor is if the gearbox will survive all the stress.
They need to built in a gearbox oilcooler, temperatures were
125°C during the last race.

But we all know that HONDA dont must fear high temperatures.
 
I really enjoy the messages about the progress of the car - 1st because I called Mr. Severich who coordinates the project some months ago and gave him the hint for DaliRacing (of which I'm a proud and satisfied endorser), 2nd because the car has some components I use too in different versions (e.g. Mov'it Brembo brakes, Sachs Race clutch, Dali sway bars).

Just a little comparison: I drove 1'50,88 at Spa in april with 4 degrees Celsius and some snowflakes - about 12 seconds slower than the NSX-R at 1st rollout there (don't know about the weather conditions, Detlef may know).

Bummer that the next NSX club event in Magny-Cours collides with the 24-h-race-date...
 
NSX-R

yes, thats right.

Georg Severich is an ambitious man.
With his superb team he has very much experience with 24h races and the last few years, he did a perfect job with several projects. (Usual with BMW's)
As race driver he's also very successful, best result by 24h race some years before was 2th place overall with an STW BMW 320i.

Do you know that Georg drived the Altschach NSX (ex Kremer NSX) in one of pratices before the 24h race last year.
At a very fast track point (Flugplatz-Schwedenkreuz... ~250km/h)
the NSX loosed one wheel and..... with alot of luck Georg could catch the car without a terrible crash. But he told me after that incident he refused to drive this car again.
Armin Hahne didnt make this and loosed a lot of wheels
after .-))

He should be one of the actual NSX-R drivers, but some reasons dont allows that. Pity, but as team-manager he can do also a lot.
I think all is in good hands and in 3 weeks, we all know more.

I would like to own this NSX-R, but I hate the RHD.
Its a pity that this car isnt available in Europe.

But another white NSX-R in OEM style exists, its the parts carrier for car No1. Its a prototype with alot of japanese marks and surely the first NSX-R, HONDA shipped to Germany for the development at Nürburgring.
I've alot of pictures from this car too.
I remember that this car looks very hard drived, some typical tracks shows that.
Its a pity too, that the fantastic Bridgestone RE050 tyres are not availabe. Its an intermediate tire, very racy.
Georg told me, that this tire is nearly a slick....with an inbelievable high grip level.
Thats probably the main reason why the NSX-R was so fast at the northern look. With the standard tires like S03PP, this would be impossible.
At last its a pity that HONDA dont sell all this good stuff around the Type R for the usual NSX community.

But also the Type R model is improvable.
I believe that we'll see a lot more of carbonfiber parts at the next spec R generation.
Weight about 1.100 kg is the next destination.

So, lets push the thumbs.
 
Hey I love seeing and hearing about other folks race cars!keep up the reports.Hopefuly I won't have to wait a year to see speed ch coverage of the ring.personaly I aplaud anyone who dedicates the time and $ to amateur racing,only glory and pride.I think they did what could be done within a reasonable budget.I do think this could be moved to our racing track forum,since we fought to keep it alive and this thread is a perfect fit.
 
Detlef Welsch:

I thought the oem nsx-r uses Bridgestone RE070?

Its a pity too, that the fantastic Bridgestone RE050 tyres are not availabe. Its an intermediate tire, very racy.
Georg told me, that this tire is nearly a slick....with an inbelievable high grip level.

Did I read that correctly? A street tire with grip level like slicks?
 
Personally, I'm happy when ANYONE tracks their NSX, let alone races it. I'm sure a Honda "works" team would have a little bit better engineering of the various parts but indeed they should...it would be a "works" effort.

I applaud you Detlef. I think it looks great and wish you the best of luck with your NSX.
 
hi Detlef,

Love to hear about all these details.
Do you know what caused the wheel to brake of with mr. Severich. Was it a design-flaw or was the wheel damaged because of something on the road. Must be a very scary thing happening to you on a track.

You mention the NSX-R is ment for 'soft' driving. What exactly do you mean by that. I remember that you yourself are able to run the Ring at something like 8 minutes flat with your own NSX. Have you been able to improve on those times yet?
And in what way is the NSX-R or this modified NSX-R racer different and/or better than the NSX you are running yourself.
 
Some answers

Hi again,

sorry, I made a mistake.
Surely the Bridgestone tires for NSX-R are the RE070's.

Mr. Severich was one of the drivers of the Altschach NSX (ex Kremer NSX) of the last year. He only was 3 seconds slower that Armin Hahne at the northern loop.

Mr. Altschach (the team-manager) used old Tecnomagnesio rims. The same ones Kremer used in LeMans in year 1994.
These rims should be checked after each race, after a season they have to be tested with X-ray and after 5 years using,
they must be throw away. (End of maturity date)
All of this never happened......
Thats the reason why all these rims collapsed last year,
a wonder that no pilote was hurt.

Before the 24h race project at last year, Altschach bought new rims (ATS DTM 18''), but these rims dont fit exactly with the centreboring.
They fly away again in practice and Mr. Altschach retired the NSX from the race.............. a real story...... and a shame.

NSX-R
Soft driving means that all around the suspension (only dampers system and swaybars are changed) is HONDA standard (OEM)
A lot of loading per wheel will stress the complete suspension system. The drivers have to be very careful if the car should
survive the 24h torture.
That means to avoid most of the curbs. (Round style driving)

It exists a parts list from HONDA R&D, where all parts are listed, Mr.Severich shouldnt change.
If he would do that all the same.....he would have the joker if something would happen during the race.


My NSX (powered by DaliRacing)
Since now I dont feel able to update my best laptime, because
I have too many projects and no time to prepare my NSX.
But the new parts package with alot of cf goodies and a better
brake system I'll install next wintertime.
So next year I should be able to try it again.
The car is getting better and better, but the driver is getting older.......
All lap times under 8.00 minutes with Honda NSX and standard tires are a case for professional drivers.
Surely I'm not this man.
Nevertheless I finished 3 times at the 24h race with my Honda and got some nice class victories at the Veedol Langstreckenpokal.




:)
 
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Detlef Welsch,

Its a pity too, that the fantastic Bridgestone RE050 tyres are not availabe. Its an intermediate tire, very racy. Georg told me, that this tire is nearly a slick....with an inbelievable high grip level.
Thats probably the main reason why the NSX-R was so fast at the northern look.

you mind asking your friend Georg to compare the new Bridgestone RE070 tires to some R compound tires, ie. Dunlop D01J, Yoko 032, Yoko 048, Michelin Pilot Sport Cup, etc etc? I'm very interested in them.
 
Very interesting to read about 24-h rennen and the project.
I’m curios about lap times BTG with a standard 1991 coupe, your highly modded and ring-tuned NSX, NSX-R and of course this race car.
Some time ago you mentioned that you have in-car video from the Nordschleife, is it possible to share these videos with us?
 
NSX-R

I've a inboard video with my Civic SiR from the last 24h race.
I've a video with my NSX too, but the quality is poor,
because there was too much sun and light at the front mirror.

An actual, professional video with my NSX was planed together with the NSX-R end of april (A japanese TV chanel was interested to make a video with the NSX-R racecar.)
Its a pity that this intention must be cancelt, because the NSX-R wasnt ready prepared for that date.

The laptimes at Nürburgring can change all the times.
If sportauto rent the track (together with some car manufacturers), they start at the old start line.
Its the point before the 1th Hatzenbach left corner.
The finish line is 150m before.

If people like me use the track (not at the race)
we have to start and to finish in the middle of Döttinger Höhe,
a really long straight with topspeed about 250 km/h.
You can imagine that there is always a time difference between.
If I have a 'good' slipstream at Döttinger Höhe, I can be faster for 5 secondes.

So by all lap times we heard, we never know under what conditions they were rised.

The NSX-R was also 'special prepared' for that track test as the most of the cars they tested there.
I know the points but please, I can't betray the details.

More news about NSX-R next week.
 
maomaonsx said:
Is your level of professionalism really that low? Have you seen a real factory works race car? Good thing this NSX-R race car wasn't built by Honda, otherwise it would be a real disgrace to Honda engineering. M3 GTR wing, are you kidding me?!

What are you so worked up about anyway? Just because the car sports a few parts supplied by you--which you didn't design anyway, so I don't see how you can take credit for them--doesn't mean everyone has to like it.

Didn't see any Dali stickers on the car...Guess it's cause there a non profit company and couldn't afford to supply them with any???
 
Stickers ?

Most of the supporters paid for the stickers, sure.

DaliRacing mustnt do this.
As I'm informed, the Honda guy ordered some of these very special parts directly from MJ.
Reason: Maybe they like the quality of his parts.

Also some technical datas from the LMGT cars were transfered.

Mr Severich saw the most of these parts installed at my NSX and after a test drive it was a clear situation.
The complete cf air intake with airbox ( comes directly from the vacuumstove) with APEXI airfilter is a real performance part, also the sway bars are much better than the thin OEM stuff.
Some other prototype parts surely too.
As the drivers said , the car feels much better at the track.
Lot of difference to the test car.

The japanese guy from Honda R&D was surprised too and I think that he will take some ideas back to japan for the next Type R generation.

The NSX-R will be prepared with special stickers for the 24h race,
a professional factory actually does it.
Surely we can see some DaliRacing stickers too.
But stickers are not the most important thing.
The worth inside counts more.
 
Detlef Welsch said:
Stickers ?

Most of the supporters paid for the stickers, sure.

DaliRacing mustnt do this.
As I'm informed, the Honda guy ordered some of these very special parts directly from MJ.
Reason: Maybe they like the quality of his parts.

I forgot Dali doesn't manfacture parts. They just sell them, so the real credit should 2 those special manufactures who made them. Guess the D word is of no importance and that's why I saw no representation (STICKERS) on the NSX-R.
 
NSX-R

The most difficult thing is to get some specific mod parts, will update the NSX-R. (and make him faster)

1.) It is quite difficult to get more power, because the car came special prepared to Germany.

2.) Some suppliers dont feel able to produce all special parts.
(P.S: Eibach couldnt produce some special sway bars, the dampers they copied only and let them be a little bit stronger with a changed ground valve)
So, DaliRacing had these sway bars in stock.....and 3 days later, this stuff was here in Germany. Even with adjustable end links..
The guys were amazed.

3.) Good cf parts are rare. The most of them aren't produced very well. At installation latest, the differences in dimension accuracy
comes up.

4.) I think for the new NA2 there are not so much parts available as for the old version. And for the NSX-R its difficult twice, because the most of the OEM stuff is extremly light and very well produced with a giant effort.

I'm very proud that our japanese toy with name NSX maybe will get a better status because most people in Europe dont know that car. One of 4 or 5 inboard cameras will be installed at the car (TV is DSF) So, the european spectators will see a lot of action.
 
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