More NSX dishonesty......

[NSXTC]

Originally posted by Jimbo:
I got an idea...

How about I (or someone I know) put in the high bid for the car and then after I or someone wins, bring appropriate legal action for not disclosing this information?

-Jim

Then you or your friend would be buying it with the advance knowledge of its history. If you knew about it in advance, you won’t be able to claim that you were deceived by the dealer’s failure to disclose.

At the risk of coming across as a social Darwinist, and fan of the laze-faire, I think it’s pretty pointless for us take these types of matters into our own hands. It is a sad fact of life that there are shady people out there who do these types of things.

The best we can do as enthusiasts is spread the word about these “washed” and rebuilt cars by spreading word of the affected VIN numbers:
http://www.nsxprime.com/FAQ/Reference/totalledvin.htm

Im not sure why “Mr Bigglesworth” thinks that he can “come after” anyone who informs any bidder / potential buyer of the car’s actual history. If the statement to the potential buyer is truthful, “Mr Bigglesworth” has no basis to form a complaint.

We can draw our own conclusions about him from the fact that he has not disclosed, and that he is upset with anyone telling his potential buyer the truth.

Our little war with “Mr Bigglesworth” will ultimately be a loser im afraid, as he will eventually find an unsuspecting buyer either on or off the internet.



[This message has been edited by NSXTC (edited 19 July 2002).]

 

[lemansnsx]

Here is the reply received from AutoCheck (Experian) Customer Service:

Hello,
All of the information that is posted to our website is verified
documentation from the State or DMV. There currently is no law requiring
insurance companies to report accident information to the State or DMV. If
you wanted this accident information on our vehicle history report, you
would need to contact the insurance company that handled this matter and
have them report it to the State. The State can then fax us documentation on
their letterhead of the accident that occurred. We then may be able to post
this information to the report. Our fax number is (847) 944-3074. Thank you!

Customer Support

As for the comment about taking things into our own hands being pointless - the last time someone tried this we were successful in getting him to withdraw the auction. That's one in the "win" column in my book.

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Andrew Henderson
The NSX Model List Page

"We have long acknowledged that enthusiasm for things automotive is a sure
sign of emotional instability if not outright dementia" - Brock Yates

 

[NSXY]

D'Ecosse wrote:
Did you get a reply from Hendrix 48 NSXY?
I am curious that since there was no bid retraction or comment Hendrix 48 either
a) didn't see it
b) doesn't care (which is OK)
c) is possibly affiliated to run the price up (no more bids since story broke -that's interesting however)

D'Ecosse:

After emailing him twice, Hendrix48 did not reply, which I do think is suspicious. If I were an unsuspecting bidder in this case, I'd be VERY grateful for such info, but no response suggests something else is going on here, and you and I are thinking the same...
Also, after my second email, I recived the following mail delivery subsystem message:
**********************************************
** THIS IS A WARNING MESSAGE ONLY **
** YOU DO NOT NEED TO RESEND YOUR MESSAGE **
**********************************************

The original message was received at Wed, 17 Jul 2002 10:48:46 -0700
from mxpool04.ebay.com [66.135.197.10]

----- Transcript of session follows -----
<[email protected]>... Deferred: Connection refused by mx15.hotmail.com.
Warning: message still undelivered after 4 hours
Will keep trying until message is 5 days old

I don't know what these "[email protected]" and "mx15.hotmail.com" addresses are about, but maybe someone else here does know.

In any case, this is all quite amazing, isn't it? I mean potentially one level of fraud layered upon other levels of fraud. Where have people's values gone anyway? It's like anything goes to get the dollar. Even when I had only $25 to my name years ago, I never even came close to considering makng money by cheating others. I just knew one thing: a hard days work for a hard day's pay. What's my problem? Anyway, it certainly is good to have a clear conscience about dealing with others, doesn't it?


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NSXY
95 NSX-T, 5 sp, Red/Tan, Tubi exhaust, Dali street anti-sway bars, Dunlop SP9000s

[This message has been edited by NSXY (edited 19 July 2002).]

 

[wilsonp]

Originally posted by NSXY:
I don't know what these "[email protected]" and "mx15.hotmail.com" addresses are about, but maybe someone else here does know.

I didn't see rodd46 in your posting, I assume you saw it in some other part of the warning?

In any case, mx15.hotmail.com is a mail server at hotmail.com. eBay is attempting to send the email message to hotmail (presumably [email protected]) and mx15 is refusing to receive the message, possibly because it is down for maintenance.

eBay's communication form created a message with your email address as the from address, which is why eBay's mail server sent the warning to you, revealing Hendrix48's email address. (Nice security breach!)

Roddie appears to be a guy into music, which may explain his eBay alias.

 

[NSXY]

Originally posted by NSXY:
D'Ecosse wrote:
Did you get a reply from Hendrix 48 NSXY?
I am curious that since there was no bid retraction or comment Hendrix 48 either
a) didn't see it
b) doesn't care (which is OK)
c) is possibly affiliated to run the price up (no more bids since story broke -that's interesting however)

D'Ecosse:

After emailing him twice, Hendrix48 did not reply, which I do think is suspicious. If I were an unsuspecting bidder in this case, I'd be VERY grateful for such info, but no response suggests something else is going on here, and you and I are thinking the same...
Also, after my second email, I recived the following mail delivery subsystem message:
**********************************************
** THIS IS A WARNING MESSAGE ONLY **
** YOU DO NOT NEED TO RESEND YOUR MESSAGE **
**********************************************

The original message was received at Wed, 17 Jul 2002 10:48:46 -0700
from mxpool04.ebay.com [66.135.197.10]

----- Transcript of session follows -----
<[email protected]>... Deferred: Connection refused by mx15.hotmail.com.
Warning: message still undelivered after 4 hours
Will keep trying until message is 5 days old

I don't know what these "[email protected]" and "mx15.hotmail.com" addresses are about, but maybe someone else here does know.

In any case, this is all quite amazing, isn't it? I mean potentially one level of fraud layered upon other levels of fraud. Where have people's values gone anyway? It's like anything goes to get the dollar. Even when I had only $25 to my name years ago, I never even came close to considering makng money by cheating others. I just knew one thing: a hard days work for a hard day's pay. What's my problem? Anyway, it certainly is good to have a clear conscience about dealing with others, doesn't it?

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NSXY
95 NSX-T, 5 sp, Red/Tan, Tubi exhaust, Dali street anti-sway bars, Dunlop SP9000s

 

[NSXY]

Originally posted by wilsonp:
I didn't see rodd46 in your posting, I assume you saw it in some other part of the warning?

In any case, mx15.hotmail.com is a mail server at hotmail.com. eBay is attempting to send the email message to hotmail (presumably [email protected]) and mx15 is refusing to receive the message, possibly because it is down for maintenance.

eBay's communication form created a message with your email address as the from address, which is why eBay's mail server sent the warning to you, revealing Hendrix48's email address. (Nice security breach!)

Roddie appears to be a guy into music, which may explain his eBay alias.

Wow! This is even more wierd than I can imagine.
As you say, the "<[email protected]>..." part of my posting above is not showing up on the post, but when I go into that post to edit, it's actually there! It's right before "...Deferred: Connection refused by mx15.hotmail.com." It should read "<[email protected]>...Deferred: Connection refused by mx15.hotmail.com."

I don't get this at all. Maybe Lud or one of you webbies can figure it out. Could it's invisibility mean anything to this case? Too weird...

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NSXY
95 NSX-T, 5 sp, Red/Tan, Tubi exhaust, Dali street anti-sway bars, Dunlop SP9000s

 

[NSXY]

Hey you guys, I didn't post that quote of myself above, and you can see that every time I try to add that other email address, it's invisible. Someone's screwing with this website.

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NSXY
95 NSX-T, 5 sp, Red/Tan, Tubi exhaust, Dali street anti-sway bars, Dunlop SP9000s

 

[lemansnsx]

Originally posted by NSXY:
Hey you guys, I didn't post that quote of myself above, and you can see that every time I try to add that other email address, it's invisible. Someone's screwing with this website.

Sounds like you are not displaying the headers of the message in your mail client. Security breach on Ebay's part for revealing the other party's e-mail address!
Don't know how the other post happened but highly doubt that anyone is messing with this site...



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Andrew Henderson
The NSX Model List Page

"We have long acknowledged that enthusiasm for things automotive is a sure
sign of emotional instability if not outright dementia" - Brock Yates

 

[wilsonp]

Originally posted by NSXY:
Wow! This is even more wierd than I can imagine.
As you say, the "<[email protected]>..." part of my posting above is not showing up on the post,

The email address had < > delimiters which caused it to be mis-interpreted by the browser...

I manually put in the & lt ; and & gt ; to fix it.

BTW, when I editted this post, the edit box had the real characters again - looks like a bug in the forum code.

[This message has been edited by wilsonp (edited 19 July 2002).]

 

[NSXY]

Originally posted by wilsonp:
The email address had < > delimiters which caused it to be mis-interpreted by the browser...

I manually put in the & lt ; and & gt ; to fix it.

BTW, when I editted this post, the edit box had the real characters again - looks like a bug in the forum code.

[This message has been edited by wilsonp (edited 19 July 2002).]

Hey, thanks for the tech help, which I don't really understand, but Lud will appreciate it.

In any case, according to the Ebay ad, the auction is over, and yellow NSX was apparently purchased this morning by Henrix48 this morning.

End of story,... for the time being....????

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NSXY
95 NSX-T, 5 sp, Red/Tan, Tubi exhaust, Dali street anti-sway bars, Dunlop SP9000s

 

[lemansnsx]

Here is the (non)response received from Ebay investigations:

Hello,
I appreciate you notifying SafeHarbor with your concern with the title
status of the Acura NSX T- Targa listed by richterenterprises.
Due to the extensive research needed to investigate this case, I will
not be able to disclose the outcome of my actions at this time. You can
rest assured that I will take appropriate action based on the results of
my findings.
I wish you the best with your future transactions.
Kind regards,
Autumn
eBay Motors
SafeHarbor Investigations Team

First off I'm not sure I trust anyone named "Autumn" to protect me against fraud but that's neither here nor there. Obviously Ebay could give a rat crap about fraud.

Regarding the suspicions posted above about hendrix48: I agree that it seems a bit odd. To my certain knowledge three of the bidders on this auction were contacted. Only one responded and none withdrew their bids. Very strange. If I'd been bidding on this car and someone contacted me with the information about its' past history I'd have been all over it. Weird.
BTW, hendrix48 did bid on another NSX the other day, a 2002 that had less than 1000 miles on it.

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Andrew Henderson
The NSX Model List Page

"We have long acknowledged that enthusiasm for things automotive is a sure
sign of emotional instability if not outright dementia" - Brock Yates

 

[NSXTC]

Come on, let's get real here.

Neither Experian, Ebay, or the dealer who purposely fails to disclose a washed title car is really interested in the truth.

What all these people are interested in is simply making a buck.

This is, depending on who you talk to what makes this country great, or what has put us in the predicament we find ourselves in today.


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All My NSX'es Live in Texas