More NSX dishonesty......

[NSXTC]

This kind of thing goes on all the time. It's frankly amazing that there is not more regulation in this industry. Seems it would be easy in today’s world to set up a nationwide database so titles cannot be washed the way they are with daily regularity.

We can complain, bitch and moan about this all day long, but until lawmakers pass adequate regulations and enforce those regulations, it's the Wild West all over again.

Caveat Emptor!


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All My NSX'es Live in Texas

 

[smoore]

o.k. i've got the scoop on the car.

this car was sent to N.N. to ERZ (whom most everyone knows, great guys by the way) and they fixed it. i spoke to them about 4-6 months ago when in the process of fixing it. people in Miami like to make people belive the car is there's so they advertize it on the web site (hense Ecocar) for a higher price. (not uncommon) the car did have a salvage/rebuildable title so one of two things has happened
1. the car sat somewhere with a fake work order, then put a mechanics lean on the car 30-60 days later saying the customer never paid blah blah blah...the state sends them a clean title (i beleieve this is the case in all states)
2. the car went from state to state to wash its title. the car needs to go through two diffrent states for it to get washed if it had Califonia salvage then went to New York the Georgia then Florida it also gets cleaned up
however i'm assuming it's the first case.
As for car fax not showing anything people in higher place with many strings to pull can hit delete for around $250- (i know that for a fact)
like i said it is to my understanding this car was fixed correctly as ERZ did fix it and Joe usally does'nt take short cuts.
This would be a car i would buy for the right price.

[This message has been edited by smoore (edited 17 July 2002).]

 

[D'Ecosse]

Why the anonimity Mr Bigglesworth? It's an amazing coincidence that you also hail from Lake Forest, same as Mr Richter!!!!!!
That last post beyond belief.

 

[NSXY]

Originally posted by mr bigglesworth:
I am simply a middle man. I did the carfax and it checked out. That's all I ever do when I purchase cars for myself or other people. If what you say about the car is true how come the title is clean. Maybe your friend never really had the car in the first place or someone decided to make the vin number match that of mine. That makes allot more sense than all of the records being wrong. I have read all of the little posts by people with nothing better to do than post messages about things they don't know about and I bet half of the members don't even own an NSX. Don't be nasty to me, if I wanted I could come after the person that contacted the highest bidder which is not legal. But I had already contacted him so for now our two worlds wont collide. . The buyer of the car will know the history of the car and just like any other of my auctions if they do not want it they don't have to keep it. I also am a Ebay square trader and Ebay can will and have been the middle man in a number of my auctions a number of years ago. In addition Ebay would help out the buyer with legal help or reimbursement if a problem should arise. Thats all for now Boys and Girls. Thanks for your (help) or threats whatever you want to call it

Dear Michael James Richter or Mr. Bigglesowrth, or whatever your real name is:

If you still think that the information made available to you above is simply fabricated, you're both dishonest and intellectually challenged. Now that you have clearly established an infamous reputation, we here at NSX Prime will be on the lookout for your ongoing ads, where ever they may be. You'll need lots o' luck to succeed in the Florida NSX sales business as long as honesty and free speech are still valued and legal. See ya around...

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NSXY
95 NSX-T, 5 sp, Red/Tan, Tubi exhaust, Dali street anti-sway bars, Dunlop SP9000s

 

[ANYTIME]

Carfax is god, RIGHT? I bought a brand new 4runner in 99 and 6 mos. later someone turned in directly in front of me and I T-boned that little punk driving. Damage total? 15,000 dollars and it went thru both mine and his insurance companies(different companies I might add). For kicks, I ran a carfax(joke) multiple times and it is clean as can be. The 4runner was over 30k, so no way was it close to being totaled. So, in closing, I believe IMHO, carfax only collects and documents info given to them. I doubt that they get into any investigations on accidents and or history of vehicles.
P.S. Blurr, Do you have any documents on your OLD car? Copy of title and or estimates of repair?

 

[nsxtasy]

Originally posted by NSXY:
It's pretty clear that Experian's CarFax report may not be worth the space it's printed on, becuase of these wrongly cleaned titles in FL.

CarFax is not always right, as noted in several posts above, but it's not necessarily caused by titles cleaned in Florida. I know someone whose NSX was totalled, and a year later he ran a CarFax on the VIN and it came out clean.

Originally posted by mr bigglesworth:
I have read all of the little posts by people with nothing better to do than post messages about things they don't know about and I bet half of the members don't even own an NSX. Don't be nasty to me

Thats all for now Boys and Girls. Thanks for your (help) or threats whatever you want to call it

Don't be nasty to YOU? After you toss insults at other forum members like the ones above???

You haven't been on these forums for very long. If you had, you would know that most of the members DO own an NSX, and many of the rest are here because they're actively shopping for one (and probably know more about them than the average owner!).

[This message has been edited by nsxtasy (edited 17 July 2002).]

 

[steveny]

Originally posted by NSXY:
It's pretty clear that Experian's CarFax report may not be worth the space it's printed on, becuase of these wrongly cleaned titles in FL.

I have been trying to convey this for a while now. Car fax is not going to catch every crook. I wonder if one bought this car if carfax woul;d have to pay the 5k if faced with the facts.

 

[blurr]

Originally posted by ANYTIME:
Carfax is god, RIGHT? I bought a brand new 4runner in 99 and 6 mos. later someone turned in directly in front of me and I T-boned that little punk driving. Damage total? 15,000 dollars and it went thru both mine and his insurance companies(different companies I might add). For kicks, I ran a carfax(joke) multiple times and it is clean as can be. The 4runner was over 30k, so no way was it close to being totaled. So, in closing, I believe IMHO, carfax only collects and documents info given to them. I doubt that they get into any investigations on accidents and or history of vehicles.
P.S. Blurr, Do you have any documents on your OLD car? Copy of title and or estimates of repair?

Yes, I have all the paperwork.

If a potential buyer visits this site before they buy the car I will be happy to share it with them. I would hope that research would be done before a purchase of this kind. This site is easy to find and has more info on it than any other car site I know of. I don't have any problems with the car being sold, I just hope the leg work is done by the buyer.

I am amazed how much attention this is getting as well.

 

[lemansnsx]

Originally posted by mr bigglesworth:
I am simply a middle man. I did the carfax and it checked out. That's all I ever do when I purchase cars for myself or other people. If what you say about the car is true how come the title is clean. Maybe your friend never really had the car in the first place or someone decided to make the vin number match that of mine. That makes allot more sense than all of the records being wrong.

"Mr. Bigglesworth": In your haste to sign up here and start defending yourself you obviously didn't take the time to read the terms of this private forum or make any attempt to understand this community. Your comments are offensive and your hostility is mis-placed. You are not the first to try this scam, unfortunately, you probably won't be the last but you should know that the NSX community will vigorously investigate every instance of this type of fraud to protect our member's interests.
Our friend never had the car in the first place? Right. Whatever.
Do the right thing: post the full story or pull the auction!
Finally - whatever you do with this car - don't come here attacking members and posting insults or your days here will be short. You've been warned.




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Andrew Henderson
The NSX Model List Page

"We have long acknowledged that enthusiasm for things automotive is a sure
sign of emotional instability if not outright dementia" - Brock Yates

 

[POWERED by HONDA]

Well "Mr. Bigglesworth?" How are you going to argue with the paperwork that Matt ("Blurr") can provide?

My advice to you? Give it up and be upfront. If you don't know, then you don't know. But the evidence in this topic should open your eyes. Carfax doesn't show anything. There can still be problems.

Even though the car has been rolled over, people may still want to buy the car. Be upfront, jeez, are you that greedy?

 

[Lofwyr]

"Don't be nasty to me, if I wanted I could come after the person that contacted the highest bidder which is not legal."

I wouldn't advise threatening legal action against a high income group like NSX owners. Doesn't exactly scare us.

FYI

 

[NSXY]

It is now Thursday, with 24 hours left for bidding, and the seller has not clarified his knowledge of the totalled and salvaged yellow NSX-T. In fact, the seller's more recent post on Ebay states just the opposite, as follows: "On Jul-17-02 at 13:41:31 PDT, seller added the following information: The Vin Number Is jh4na2169yt000265 this car was not from the Mt. Palomar light rollover. THE TITLE IS CLEAN CARFAX CHECKS OUT"

So, let's see...., if the seller actually were to come after one or more of us for informing an unknowing potential buyer that the subject vehicle was totalled and salvaged, and that the seller had information before the time of the sale which proved this conclusively, and that the seller instead represented the vehicle as having "all original paint indicating the fact that there is no accident history whatsoever!!" and that it's "not the Mt. Palomar rollover", what attorney would represent such a client whose case was so groundless, and what judge would spend more that 2 seconds before throwing the case out and assigning all court and defense attorney costs to the plaintiff?

Really Mr. Bigglesworth..., I suggest that you stick to the successful Ebay auctioning of cigar boxes and leave the NSX sales to reputable people.

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NSXY
95 NSX-T, 5 sp, Red/Tan, Tubi exhaust, Dali street anti-sway bars, Dunlop SP9000s

[This message has been edited by NSXY (edited 18 July 2002).]

 

[mr bigglesworth]

I APOLOGIZE FOR RESPONDING THE WAY I DID. I AM SURE YOU COULD ALL UNDERSTAND THAT IT WOULDNT BE FUN TO BE ME.

 

[NSXY]

Originally posted by mr bigglesworth:
I APOLOGIZE FOR RESPONDING THE WAY I DID. I AM SURE YOU COULD ALL UNDERSTAND THAT IT WOULDNT BE FUN TO BE ME.

We might beleive you, if you posted on Ebay that you now know the car's correct salvage and repair history that you'd describe, but you have not, so we don't believe you. It's not what you write here that matters, it's what you represent to unwitting buyers on Ebay that matters! You now have an opportunity to do the right thing, and there's little time left. It's plain and simple....., it's obvious and up to you and no one else.

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NSXY
95 NSX-T, 5 sp, Red/Tan, Tubi exhaust, Dali street anti-sway bars, Dunlop SP9000s

 

[ub2slw]

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I originally found this car after Blurr wrecked and sold it. It Is the same car.
[/B][/QUOTE]

Blurr, did you actually receive a CHECK from your insurance company for your car? If so, then the did you buy the car back from the insurance company then sell it? Unless you've received a check from your insurance, the car would not be totaled. What I read from your previous post is that it appears that body shop gave you a quote that was greater that X% of the car's cash value. This does not total it.

 

[Tony Montoya]

Could someone bid an outrageous amount just to be the high bidder and then claim later they found out the car was rolled and therefore not carry though with the bid?

 

[blurr]

Blurr, did you actually receive a CHECK from your insurance company for your car?

I didn't owe much on the car when it was crashed. I retained the car from the insurance company as well as a check for the difference in what they were paying me and the deemed value of the car. I then sold the car to ERZ.

I hop no one is actually threatening the seller. He has the right to sell the car, I just wish he would tell the buyer to contact me. The car is probably worth close to what it is being sold for anyway.

[This message has been edited by blurr (edited 18 July 2002).]

 

[NSXY]

Originally posted by blurr:
I didn't owe much on the car when it was crashed. I retained the car from the insurance company as well as a check for the difference in what they were paying me and the deemed value of the car. I then sold the car to ERZ.

I hop no one is actually threatening the seller. He has the right to sell the car, I just wish he would tell the buyer to contact me. The car is probably worth close to what it is being sold for anyway.

[This message has been edited by blurr (edited 18 July 2002).]

Blurr, I've driven the Mt. Palomar run over and over again, and every time I think of you and your unfortunate experience. Like many of us here, the resurfacing of known wrecks in thier new clothes is of great interest. As far as I'm concerned, the car's essentially like a new NSX, except for it's top's damage history and repaint, so there's no reason to think it's a piece of crap or anything like that. In fact, that's not the question here. What's been questioned here is not his right to sell, or whether it's a good deal, but rather his lack of disclosure. It's an honesty/integrity thing, that's all.

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NSXY
95 NSX-T, 5 sp, Red/Tan, Tubi exhaust, Dali street anti-sway bars, Dunlop SP9000s

 

[D'Ecosse]

Originally posted by NSXY:
What's been questioned here is not his right to sell, or whether it's a good deal, but rather his lack of disclosure. It's an honesty/integrity thing, that's all.

[/B]

Exactly the issue, succinctly stated

 

[Slingshot]

Perhaps this link should be emailed to CarFax or the other History Search Companies.

 

[NSXY]

Originally posted by Slingshot:
Perhaps this link should be emailed to CarFax or the other History Search Companies.

I emailed Experian's legal dept. the entire case yesterday, and suggested that they'd get more credibility and maybe business, if thier disclosure made clear that at this time, state and federal legislation permits soiled vehicle titles to be legally cleaned, however dishonest and unfortunate. Maybe not surprisingly, I've gotten no response.


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NSXY
95 NSX-T, 5 sp, Red/Tan, Tubi exhaust, Dali street anti-sway bars, Dunlop SP9000s

 

[lemansnsx]

Originally posted by NSXY:

I emailed Experian's legal dept. the entire case yesterday,... Maybe not surprisingly, I've gotten no response.

I've also e-mailed the whole story to Experian. I'm going to give them a day or two before following up...



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Andrew Henderson
The NSX Model List Page

"We have long acknowledged that enthusiasm for things automotive is a sure
sign of emotional instability if not outright dementia" - Brock Yates

 

[lemansnsx]

Originally posted by lemansnsx:
I've also e-mailed the whole story to Experian. I'm going to give them a day or two before following up...

PS: I've also e-mailed Ebay (which is usually pretty pointless...) and asked for their views on this type of auction.


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Andrew Henderson
The NSX Model List Page

"We have long acknowledged that enthusiasm for things automotive is a sure
sign of emotional instability if not outright dementia" - Brock Yates

 

[D'Ecosse]

Originally posted by NSXY:
I have forwarded this page to the last bidder, Hendrix48, and asked for a reply. We'll see what happens.....

Did you get a reply from Hendrix 48 NSXY?
I am curious that since there was no bid retraction or comment Hendrix 48 either
a) didn't see it
b) doesn't care (which is OK)
c) is possibly affiliated to run the price up (no more bids since story broke -that's interesting however)

Originally posted by Mr Bigglesworth:
Don't be nasty to me, if I wanted I could come after the person that contacted the highest bidder which is not legal.

Incidentally, per threats regarding "illegal" interference, E-Bay's TOS states "Disciplinary action may result in the indefinite suspension of a user's account, temporary suspension, or a formal warning."
Shiver! - you might get busted by E-Bay police, NSXY & never be able to sell your NSX through that medium - bet you're crushed! (but not as crushed as Blurr's roof!)

 

[Jimbo]

I got an idea...

How about I (or someone I know) put in the high bid for the car and then after I or someone wins, bring appropriate legal action for not disclosing this information?

-Jim

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