OP-
That appears to be one hell a a "crown" on that entrance ramp. Maybe 10% or 6% at the least... a crown is the peaking in the middle of the roadway with a gradual slope off to the sides to prevent standing water. This proves that even with the severe crown this must have been a substantial amount of water. We have sprinklers every 3 feet here in Florida so I understand all too well about broken heads allowing water to enter to roadway.
The camber of an NSX being somewhat aggressive can lead to this feature of a road being more noticeable than with other cars. Going from lane to lane on an older semi-truck driven highway can seem like a roller coaster on the best of days and downright scary on others.
I don’t even see lane markings on this roadway. It appears to be blacktop which is basically a giant, BLACK OIL slick. If it was dry sunny conditions for some time prior to the water being applied, this would be a very dangerous situation do to the oils being left by cars accelerating heavily as they prepare to enter the highway, at speed. Over a period of time this residual buildup, once wet, can become like ice.
The attitude of the scene officer and a few posters here (wont call names) not give you the benefit of the doubt is quite upsetting to me. It’s not like this is even a 1g decreasing radius cloverleaf onramp anyway. This was a turn off of a sub street with a fairly straight lead-out onto the highway. This was no 40MPH 1G turn, IMHO “chips” mentioned prior.
Chips-
Sweeping left hand turn???????....I think he turned to the right, if I am not mistaken.
It would be fairly easy for us to think that after all the comments and rebuttal you wrote that you didn’t even understand the fundamentals of this scene. Isn’t this true? Also, the two cars behind his car might well have been all-wheel drive ACURA MDX models or possibly another type of car which is not quite as susceptible to unexpected water hazards as an NSX is to that type of situation. But they weren’t, but they WERE front-wheel drive cars which are extremely good at keeping control of such a water encounter due to the fact they are pulling the car along, NOT pushing the rear end around after such a sudden loss of traction under acceleration. The NSX would act very differently being a mid-engine with a large %-age of weight nearest the propelling wheels having very wide tires, with possible low tread remaining, encountering a large amount of constant source of water spread across a heavily crowned, slightly uphill road while accelerating to highway speeds in an attempt to enter a freeway. From just that sentence it seems like it would be a no brain-er to determine that only a small % of drivers would be able to come out of that one ok while piloting the same vehicle.
This scene is WAY off the 1g skid pad, teen-angst, wild-ride you had him on a couple of posts ago. Factors such as the ones I listed above should always come in to account when determining if a driver was at fault, in any situational one vehicle accident. Have you just seen too many crashes and just assume lots of info to shorten your time on-scene and subsequent report writing and don’t really see the facts sometimes clearly? I just dished those observations out from 10 seconds of looking at a poor poor iphone night taken photo. Let me have a crack at surveying the actually scene for 15 minutes and he will be getting a key to the city.
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OK.... I get it now..... i have been on this site since 2002 and it just finally hit me.....
1. whatever is typed on these posts is taken quite literally..... (my 1 g thru the corner analogy) (my looking a gift horse in the mouth comment) etc..
2. if you make a mistake and type right instead of left, it will be assumed you are an idiot... not simply a typo when typing....
3. it is demonstrated here on this site time and time again.... when someone does something wrong.... or makes a mistake... or is involved in an unfortunate circumstance... that we as a society want to BLAME someone or something else for what happened..... excuses and reasons WHY someone or something esle was the cause for what happened (now dont get confused here... i AM making a reference in general here).
4. hard headed people just dont get it sometimes..... STANDING WATER DOES NOT CAUSE COLLISIONS !!!!!!!! IT CAN BE A CONTRIBUTING FACTOR, BUT NOT A CAUSE!!!!!COLOR="Black"][/COLOR][/B][/B] Scorp was going too fast for conditions in a car that is not prepared to drive in the wet in this collision.....what part of that is hard to see????? if the water here CAUSED this collision, then no car could drive thru it and not crash.........