Ferrari makes this and we get the ASCC

[TC]

1250 kg is ~2,755 lbs! That would be a true marvel of engineering, I should say. Where are they finding 200 kg/400 lbs to trim off the standard F430? That makes no sense...

Here's the Ferrari press release with full details of the car:

http://aussieexotics.com/forum/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=432.0;attach=2573

It lists the dry weight (no fluids) at 2,775 lbs. The kerb weight is also listed: 2,975 lbs. The kerb weight is what most manufacturers list in their specifications, so an NSX coupe at 3052 (or whatever the exact number is) is only slightly heavier.

 

[nsxotic911]

1250 kg for the Scuderia F430? I find that very hard to believe. While researching it I found several articles which stated something such as "The F430 Scuderia will have 100kg less than the F430 bringing it to 1250kg..."

From Wikipedia:

...the Scuderia will be unveiled by Michael Schumacher at the 2007 Frankfurt Auto Show. Aimed to compete with cars like the Porsche RS-models, it is 100 kg (220 lb) lighter than the standard F430...

From Jalopnik:

...thanks to a low dry weight of just 1250 kg - 100 kg less than the standard F430...

From AutozInsight:

...The new Scuderia is essentially the CS model in everything but its name, having shed up to 100kg through an extensive weight saving program...

Well folks, the curb weight of the standard F430 is 1450 kg/3,197 lbs. I think this is a typo or someone is missing something. The articles I'm seeing are reading "100kg less & 1250 total kg" which makes no sense. The 1350 kg number sounds much, much more realistic. Come on--the Superleggera is 1330kg and it's bare bones!

1250 kg is ~2,755 lbs! That would be a true marvel of engineering, I should say. Where are they finding 200 kg/400 lbs to trim off the standard F430? That makes no sense...

That makes me feel better :biggrin: I know Ferrari fudges their numbers a bit. I have a target weight of low 2900 lbs (w fluids), maybe even high 2800 for a T..

Took out all the 'non-essentials' + lightened aftermarket pieces. Starting to take out the AC so that should get me there

 

[WingZ]

If I decide to sell, my GT-One exhaust and R parts are all wanted items on this board.

I'll be waiting..LOL Your finnicky ass is the reason I haven't bought any headers yet..LOL

 

[6spdterror]

Here is the video of it.

http://www.edmunds.com/insideline/d...Id=121804?tid=edmunds.il.home.photopanel..2.*

I guess that 997 turbo is EVERYONE'S benchmark!!

 

[NSSEX91]

Turbo2go,

I guess you didn't click on my link

Tesla, ZERO MAINTENANCE. Ok tire rotations just to be fair.

Exotic? The Tesla has a carbon fiber shell
Rare? Only sold 400 so far. 1000 in 2008
Performance? Tesla hands down in all catagories.

Ok back to what I was saying, just thought I would mention that by 2020 when the NEW NSX comes out, their will be much better deals. I can think of 3 currently. I would just rather be driving now then later I guess.

I want to get a T NSX but I won't be driving it thinking "damn this is the best thing out there for my 90k lol.

 

[BioBanker]

Well, if youre willing to pay $90k for an NSX, ANY NSX, you'll have plenty of friends PMing you here offering to give you a hand. Even brand new, from the dealer, these things sold for low $70ks. The car didnt sell at its $90k MSRP.

What happens if the Tesla battery goes south?

 

[Liquid]

Turbo2go,

I guess you didn't click on my link

Tesla, ZERO MAINTENANCE. Ok tire rotations just to be fair.

Exotic? The Tesla has a carbon fiber shell
Rare? Only sold 400 so far. 1000 in 2008
Performance? Tesla hands down in all catagories.

Ok back to what I was saying, just thought I would mention that by 2020 when the NEW NSX comes out, their will be much better deals. I can think of 3 currently. I would just rather be driving now then later I guess.

I want to get a T NSX but I won't be driving it thinking "damn this is the best thing out there for my 90k lol.

I think the Tesla is an interesting case but you'd be dropping $100 g's on a car that can only drive a maximum of 200 miles on a charge (and each charge takes 4 hours or more). That just isn't practical at all for the vast majority of people.

 

[TURBO2GO]

Well, if youre willing to pay $90k for an NSX, ANY NSX, you'll have plenty of friends PMing you here offering to give you a hand. Even brand new, from the dealer, these things sold for low $70ks. The car didnt sell at its $90k MSRP.

What happens if the Tesla battery goes south?

I don't know Dave, I never saw any new NSX's going for any less than 77K in 05. Most were between 77 and 82K that I saw. Now I have seen the prices go up slightly on what is left.

I like the Tesla, but its chassis is essentialy an elise... and comfort is... nonexistant. I think it is one cool car, I would definitely buy an electric one next time, this or that Ariel Atom electric thing...

I disagree that even now, there are a lot of better cars out there than an NSX for 80K (all being new). There is some competition, but the NSX is a competitive car still and one I personally found more appealing than anything else. Of course I drove all of them, most people look at some 0-60 numbers and make their conclusions (not incluidng NSSEX91 in this category).

 

[TURBO2GO]

I think the Tesla is an interesting case but you'd be dropping $100 g's on a car that can only drive a maximum of 200 miles on a charge (and each charge takes 4 hours or more). That just isn't practical at all for the vast majority of people.

That and it rides like an Elise...

 

[NSSEX91]

Lots of competitive cars from the 90s. Competitive means what?

The NSX is for the crowd who still wants a sporty looking 2 seater. You could not convince a BMW guy or Porche guy to like driving an NSX more then his own brand. To each their own

Ya 0-60 times arent important why did you even bring that up? Let me ask you this, who would drive this car it looked like a ford probe? Then would you be bragging about how great the frame and engine is? Didnt think so. You will all grow up and out of the old 90's sporty looking 2 seater some day. Look at my friends neighber. Can't let go of his 70's transam. I don't want my kids to look at me like that when I'm 50.

BTW your figures on the Tesla are all wrong. You don't have to fudge the numbers to down play my oint. First off the mileage is at LEAST 200 not at the most. Just read the site. Also, the battery is suppose to last at least 100k miles before noticeable decrease in performance. ( Don't quote me ) And if it doesent? Wow those batteries should be pretty damn cheap by then and mileage should have at least doubled due to the huge increase in developement. It's bigger then the elise and is a better ride then the elise.

 

[Liquid]

BTW your figures on the Tesla are all wrong. You don't have to fudge the numbers to down play my oint. First off the mileage is at LEAST 200 not at the most. Just read the site. Also, the battery is suppose to last at least 100k miles before noticeable decrease in performance. ( Don't quote me ) And if it doesent? Wow those batteries should be pretty damn cheap by then and mileage should have at least doubled due to the huge increase in developement. It's bigger then the elise and is a better ride then the elise.

I didn't "fudge" any numbers. The 200 mile range is straight from their website and it may be less depending upon how the car is driven. Even if it were 250 miles (which it isn't because they would rather put 250 on their website rather than 200), my point still stands. Some other things to consider from the practicality (or more accurately stated, the lack thereof) angle:

-There is currently nowhere to have the car serviced. Tesla plans to open the first Tesla Stores in Northern California, Southern California, Chicago, New York, and Florida. If you aren't in those markets (once they even open them), there is nowhere to service your car. This also dramatically impacts the resale market, which is already likely to be minimal at best.

-How long has Tesla Motors been in business? Who will service the car or stand by the car if the company goes under?

Like I said, the Tesla is an interesting case study, but at $100k it is a novelty and not a serious alternative for the vast, vast majority of sports car buyers.

 

[Ski_Banker]

Lots of competitive cars from the 90s. Competitive means what?

The NSX is for the crowd who still wants a sporty looking 2 seater. You could not convince a BMW guy or Porche guy to like driving an NSX more then his own brand. To each their own

Ya 0-60 times arent important why did you even bring that up? Let me ask

Clearly, there aren't many people that will spend $80+k on a new NSX -- about 250 per year in NA since 97 to be exact. So, when track numbers are a bit worse than other sports cars in the price range, what else could entice people to buy new ones? Here's a few reasons, take 'em or leave 'em.

- Rarity. There are more Ferrari F40s than 02+ NSXs. I'll pay a premium for that.
- Reliability. Cheaper to own and put miles on than any other car in the class.
- Craftsmanship. 911s are pretty good there too, but aren't hand assembled, which I think is cool and will pay a little more for.
- Fun factor. 911 ain't even close, unless you're on a track. I'll pay a little more for fun.
- History. The NSX was a revolutionary car. I think owning a piece of history is cool, and I'll pay extra for one of the last ones.

These are just a few footnotes you can add to your Road & Track statistics table. Not copyrighted, so feel free to share with your friends. :wink: :biggrin:

 

[Patricio]

Ive seen a couple pics of this mule.

But.... God the front dimensions really shows off the Love Handles on this FAT PIG.
And a rear seat? its going to be 2+2 from what I've read and see on the mule.
Look at the thickness of the body its disgusting. looks like they added 6 inches
to the hood line and the wheel gap is still 3-4 inches above the wheel just to
show how bigger it is than s2k body.

The hood alone is going to be around our roof line in the NSX. Whoever buys
this Acura/vette piece, just dont side-swipe me in my Lovely NSX.

NSX replacement come-on... I hope honda separates this thing from its NSX
and puts into a GT class. In that case they can call it the ASP (Acura Sports
Pig)


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<img src="http://images.leftlanenews.com/content/april2007/1-spied-acura-nsx.jpg" alt="(updated) 2009 Acura NSX spied at Nürburgring" title="" /></iframe><br />

 

[TURBO2GO]

The NSX is for the crowd who still wants a sporty looking 2 seater.

I see... and we here on prime are pretty much in this "crowd"?

You could not convince a BMW guy or Porche guy to like driving an NSX more then his own brand. To each their own

Is there a point here? I am not understanding what you are trying to say.

Ya 0-60 times arent important why did you even bring that up?

LOL... what do you mean? I brought it up because I said what you are repeating... that it is not an important factor in determining car quality.

Let me ask you this, who would drive this car it looked like a ford probe?

Would I pay $80K for my NSX if it was the same car but looked like a 20 year old Ford? Is this the hypothetical question you are asking?

I don't know. Maybe...

Then would you be bragging about how great the frame and engine is?

So you are saying that basically I am clinging to a relic.

Right?

You will all grow up and out of the old 90's sporty looking 2 seater some day.

Who is "you all"? All NSX owners? a group who you do not belong to anymore since you sold your 1991? We are all clinging to a relic because we are not grown up?

Look at my friends neighber. Can't let go of his 70's transam. I don't want my kids to look at me like that when I'm 50.

So... your neighbor has a fondness for his 70's Trans Am. And if I am understanding you correctly, NSX owners, and your neighbor basically fall into the same "can't let go" category. Somehow, something may be wrong with me for example as there is with that guy (since he likes an old T/A)... right? Is this what you are saying?

It's bigger then the elise and is a better ride then the elise

How do you know this? Did you read that it rides a lot better somewhere? The chassis is the same tub they use for the elise. Its very light, and it rides terrible and insulates nothing. Good on the track, bad on the road. Having a larger plastic nose than the one on the Elise doesn't really make it "bigger" in my book. I cannot see a car based on that chassis riding well at all. But I don't really know. We will see I guess.

 

[NSSEX91]

Turbo2go,

Sorry man I'm not gona spend 30 minutes breaking up your post into quotes.

I will say that my post was simple to read and answer. You don't have to play stupid.

And the Tesla is just 1 of many. BTW I only got 220 MPG in the NSX on the way to TX from CA. What point are you trying to prove? Any cars mileage will decrease if you drive it hard.

Build quality? Plastic pieces, interior pieces and other crap breaks so often in my NSX that I feel like I'm being nickled and dimed to death. It's not any better then other 80-90k cars. Wasn't the C6 hand built?

 

[WingZ]

Turbo2go,

Sorry man I'm not gona spend 30 minutes breaking up your post into quotes.

I will say that my post was simple to read and answer. You don't have to play stupid.

And the Tesla is just 1 of many. BTW I only got 220 MPG in the NSX on the way to TX from CA. What point are you trying to prove? Any cars mileage will decrease if you drive it hard.

Build quality? Plastic pieces, interior pieces and other crap breaks so often in my NSX that I feel like I'm being nickled and dimed to death. It's not any better then other 80-90k cars. Wasn't the C6 hand built?

I didn't respond to your original post but your just getting worse the more you type. We have plenty of guys who switched from the M3 to the NSX so apparently people do change brands. Your constantly quoting NSX sticker pretty much shows you never investigated buying a new one because if you did you'd know they weren't selling for that. Also at the time I was looking for the money the NSX was a good deal. The C5 Z06 was nice for performance ,but had the resale value of worn shoes. The Viper in my mind was like a guy trying to compensate. The Elise was just to small and reliability was a big concern for me. The F360 wasn't in my mind worth 2.5 times the NSX as the performance was close and No EVO and STi's never crossed my mind.

Next you buy a 91 NSX and are surprised that stuff is breaking???? Dude it's how old?? Thank goodness it's a Honda, had you bought a Ferrari or Porsche that old forget about it.

Lastly your saying you don't want to be like your neighbor who drives a car famous for having a "screaming chicken" on the hood if you keep your NSX for to long?? Some how I don't see that happening and no the C6 is not handbuilt.

 

[WingZ]

I don't know Dave, I never saw any new NSX's going for any less than 77K in 05. Most were between 77 and 82K that I saw. Now I have seen the prices go up slightly on what is left.

Dave the reason you saw this higher price was based on two things. First Honda didn't offer the incentive ( Manufacturers rebate ) on 05 NSXs. Second once it was announced that 05 was the last year dealers used that to boost prices and reject hagglers.

 

[TC]

...and no the C6 is not handbuilt.

FYI, the engine of the C6 Z06 is handbuilt by a single person and a name plate of the engine builder is affixed to the engine.

 

[WingZ]

FYI, the engine of the C6 Z06 is handbuilt by a single person and a name plate of the engine builder is affixed to the engine.

Thanks bro I know that ,but he stated just "C6". I also know that the Viper is all hand built and assembled:biggrin:

 

[TC]

I also know that the Viper is all hand built and assembled:biggrin:

That, I didn't know. You do learn something new everyday... Thanks.

 

[TC]

Exotic? The Tesla has a carbon fiber shell
Rare? Only sold 400 so far. 1000 in 2008
Performance? Tesla hands down in all catagories.

The Tesla hasn't even been performance tested, so how can you say that it is better in all categories? The Tesla website estimates 0-60 in 4 seconds, so the F430 Scuderia (and other cars) will likely be faster. Quarter-mile - it might be faster. Top-speed, the Tesla doesn't have the power to compete in that contest. Handling and road course lap times - no one knows.

 

[TC]

Clearly, there aren't many people that will spend $80+k on a new NSX -- about 250 per year in NA since 97 to be exact. So, when track numbers are a bit worse than other sports cars in the price range, what else could entice people to buy new ones? Here's a few reasons, take 'em or leave 'em.

How about "... I just like it better..."? I'm not sure why so many NSX owners feel the need to justify or rationalize their decision to buy the car that they did. Let's face it, the NSX is a luxury item - and luxury items aren't purchased on totally rational and objective basis.

About a year ago, I was with a friend in his 06 Z06 at a gas station. An NSX pulled up to the adjacent pump and we all started chatting. A 4th person walked up and asked a basic folksy question - "... so which is faster...?" Both the Z06 owner and I point to the Z06. The NSX owner starts into a litany of rationalizations - "... it's not all about speed...", "... the NSX is more reliable..." and on and on.

I have no problem admitting that lots of cars are faster and/or better in many/most objective ways in comparison to my NSX. I admire the products that Ferrari makes, as well as cars like the Vette and 911. It doesn't matter to me, I simply like my NSX better. And I don't need a reason to like it better.

 

[TURBO2GO]

Turbo2go,

Sorry man I'm not gona spend 30 minutes breaking up your post into quotes.

I will say that my post was simple to read and answer. You don't have to play stupid.

Then I would check my ego a bit and not say things like "you all need to grow up" or telling all NSX owners they belong in a certain "crowd" which obviously, you are too smart to be a part of anymore.

You owned a high mileage 1991 NSX that you sold for $23,000. You somehow compare that car to a new NSX.

You should try talking more about the subject here, the cars; and making fewer judgments about everyone else around you. I asked how you decided the Tesla has a much better ride than the Elise, being the car is not even made yet. How about just answering the question instead of calling me stupid?

 

[WingZ]

That, I didn't know. You do learn something new everyday... Thanks.

Hey we keep each other sharp. A fellow primer clued me in after I put my foot in my mouth

 

[fannsx]

Honda should just wait until 2011 and then release a 20th Aniversary Edition NSX. By then hopefully they'll get their heads out of their a$$e$.

In that case, Honda better start now. 2011 is not too far in the future.

Why is it that MB can sell cars ranging from $30,000 C-class to over $150,000 AMGs? And Honda can't do that?

Can Lexus sell >$100,000 vehicles and how many?