F1 2009 megathread

Re: Can they be that stupid?

To let this "showdown" turn into an IRL/CART split scenario? I don't think the Bernie/Max team are about to let the wow factor of the major teams get away. By the same token, I don't think the major historical teams (Ferrari, McLaren at least) are ready to walk away from their F-1 brand.

This is a bunch of sabre rattling over the dramatic budget cuts that got sprung suddenly without the phased 3 year reduction that was expected. Both sides are working on a face saving compromise although I'm sure Bernie's working harder behind the scenes right now since he obviously didn't do enough homework before springing this deal.

They thought the world financial meltdown would have everyone cowering and thanking him for budget cuts. Heck, sounded reasonable enough back in December. $hit, he and Max probably brainstormed this up at a hooker party last August. :wink: :tongue:

OK OK, I'm putting the kaleidoscope and the pipe down..............now.
Two tier system means...

Teams staying with F1 mendaded budget will have handicap flexibility in such as flexable rear wings and more.

Teams opt to stay with current budget will not have that luxury.

This is funny. From PF1



Ferrari's start to the 2009 season has been nothing short of a disaster as the Scuderia seem to return to, in the words of Niki Lauda, the "spaghetti culture" that they were notorious for during the chaotic days of the 1970s and 1980s.

An underperforming F60 should have been the least of Ferrari's worries this season. However, the Italian marque - the most successful and longest-serving team in F1 - have compounded the situation with their own silly mistakes.

PF1 takes a look at Ferrari's 2009 cock-ups, one by one, race by race...

Australian Grand Prix
*The season starts badly. Very badly
* Felipe Massa retires with a steering problem, later admitting that the team opted for a "very aggressive strategy, which with hindsight turned out to be the wrong one."
* Team-mate Kimi Raikkonen soon joins him on the sidelines after crashing off. "It was my mistake," he concedes.
* It's the first time since 1992 that Ferrari have failed to score in the opening race.


Malaysian Grand Prix
* Massa, who was second fastest in Friday practice, is eliminated after the first round of qualifying after the team mistakenly judge his time to be good enough and keep him in the garage rather than sending him out for another flying lap.
* The team then cost Raikkonen any chance of scoring points when he is sent out on full wet tyres during the grand prix on a bone-dry track. "And that was where my race was pretty much over," says Raikkonen.
* Matters are almost as bad on the other side of the garage with Massa put on slicks while it was pouring with rain. A lap later, he has to return to the pits. "We definitely need to analyse our mistakes and understand how they can be avoided," he reports afterwards.
* Raikkonen, meanwhile, is seen helping himself to an ice-cream while the Ferrari press officer informs the world that he hasn't yet retired from the race.


Chinese Grand Prix
* A blatant lack of pace in the F60 sees Massa fail to make it into Q3 for the second successive race weekend.
* Raikkonen manages to qualify P8 despite a gearbox problem for the former World Champ.
* Massa puts aside his old issues in the rain to charge up to third place but on lap 21 his F60 lets him down and he's out of the race. He explained: "The accelerator would not work and the car went quiet."
* With Raikkonen finishing out of the points, it's the first time since 1981 that Ferrari have fail to score in the opening three races. The crisis deepens...


Bahrain Grand Prix
* Starting from eighth and 10th on the grid, Massa and Raikkonen collide, forcing Massa to return to the the pits for a new front wing. His race goes from bad to worse when his telemetry and KERS system malfunction. "Mamma Mia! Felipe dropped to the back of the pack and not able to do much," said team boss Stefano Domenicali. Yes, he really does say "mamma mia!".
* But the good news is that Raikkonen's three points from sixth place see Ferrari avoid their worst start ever to a F1 season. Just.


Spanish Grand Prix
* Raikkonen fails to make it through Q1 as for the second time this season Ferrari assume their pace is better than it is and their driver is bumped out of the final 15 as he idles in the garage.
* Raikkonen starts the race with his KERS device already causing problems while a "hydraulic problem linked to the control of the accelerator" puts him out of the grand prix on lap 19.
* Massa, who didn't have a single issue the whole weekend and looked set to finish in the third place, finally crosses the line P6 after
a) Ferrari put him on a long final stint meaning he has to spend too much time on the far-slower harder Bridgestone tyres. It costs him valuable seconds on every lap and allows Mark Webber to overhaul him...
b) Ferrari realise too late that he is a lap short for fuel due to a problem with their rig. As a result, Massa has to coast through the final laps and is overtaken by Seb Vettel and Fernando Alonso.
* Massa's three points see Ferrari seventh in the Constructors' Championship, 62 points behind Brawn GP and only two ahead of Toro Rosso.
 
from speedtv.com:

A few weeks ago I told you about how the Ferrari mechanics call Michael Schumacher ‘the owl’, because he hangs around and brings bad luck, specifically to Raikkonen. And guess who was on the pit wall all through the Barcelona weekend...
 
I can't figure out what Schumacher is supposed to be doing? It isn't like their drivers are young and need the mentoring. He seems to hang around doing nothing productive with a "I'm very, very cool" vibe. I'm sure Kimi and Felipe want him out of the picture. Schumacher's time is now over and Ferrari should let their drivers have the spotlight uncontested.
 
Okay, Tedroe. I'm on Twitter now...who's this cat you want me to follow again?
 
Re: One good use for Twitter

Okay, Tedroe. I'm on Twitter now...who's this cat you want me to follow again?
good for you since you're on the run so much

James Allen

If you follow his tweets while watching the delayed race, be careful you don't get too far ahead as he could be a spoiler for you. :frown:
 
Re: Massa leading........

in the For Sure Championship
All that said, I have to ask: is anyone else getting a little "tired" of the Brawn dominance?
Yeah, I sure am and have started to follow this "race"; the number of times a driver says "For Sure." Here's the current season standings

FIA Formula One Drivers World Championship 2009
Pos Driver Team Events For Sure FS/Ev*
1 Massa Ferrari 1 4 4.00
2 Button Brawn GP 10 27 2.70
3 Hamilton McLaren 3 8 2.67
4 Raikkonen Ferrari 2 4 2.00
5 Alonso Renault 3 4 1.33
6 Buemi Toro Rosso 1 1 1.00
- Piquet Renault 1 1 1.00
8 Heidfeld BMW Sauber 2 1 0.50
- Kubica BMW Sauber 2 1 0.50
10 Barrichello Brawn GP 5 2 0.40
11 Vettel Red Bull 9 3 0.33
12 Trulli Toyota 5 1 0.20
13 Bourdais Toro Rosso 1 0 0.00
- Fisichella Force India 1 0 0.00
- Kovalainen McLaren 1 0 0.00
- Nakajima Williams 1 0 0.00
- Rosberg Williams 1 0 0.00
18 Glock Toyota 3 0 0.00
19 Webber Red Bull 5 0 0.00
20 Sutil Force India

The fine print
* The RealBrawnGP.com For Sure Championship monitors the official FIA press conferences. The Thursday, Friday, Qualifying and Race conferences from each Grand Prix weekend are counted, but only for driver appearances. An 'event' is defined as one such press conference, and the total usage of 'for sure' over the season will be divided by the total number of events a driver has participated in to produce a For Sure per Event figure. In the event of a draw, the driver with the least 'events' will take the lead, they having been given fewer opportunities to use the vital phrase.

there ya go: The New F-1; something for everyone :rolleyes:
 
Re: Can they be that stupid?

When you're working under pressure, things do go wrong. The problem with Ferrari is that they think the solution is to bring out all their senior management to look sternly upon their poor employees, thinking that will make them work better. It turns out the effect is opposite. They screw up even more.
 
Re: Somerset, UK : birthplace of both Jenson Button and Ariel Atom

Put your big Powered By Honda sticker on the intake snorkel and you can imagine you are driving a close relative to the BAR Honda F1 car.

$10 says it's quicker than the RA108. Nah...make that $20! :wink:
 
Yup.

Honda's guy waltzes in ... thinks "if I can design motorcycles, I can design race cars", and proceeds to completely mess up the aero and lots more on the RA108. And still goes back to Japan to sit pretty as a V.P.
 
Well, when they got rid of Geoff Willis for "gardening duty," that's when they really started suffering.

Did the motorcycle guy and Willis' exit coincide?
 
Re: Now that's smug

Spanky really knows how to get his digs in, doesn't he?

........During the interview, Mosley also mentioned that he would be happy to sanction a breakaway series if the contesting teams wished to take that route.

"They could write their own rules and we would check them over for safety. And that would be it," he declared.

The Briton also suggested that the breakaway teams might again find Bernie Ecclestone on their path when they begin discussing with promoters for their new series.

http://en.f1-live.com/f1/en/headlines/news/detail/090518180700.shtml
 
My favorite to win the race at Monaco

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Although the person I hope would win is Rubens Barrichello.

From http://www.jamesallenonf1.com/
It will be Rubens Barrichello’s 17th Monaco. He’s never won it either, although like Button he has finished second. The one I remember best was 1997 when he followed Michael Schumacher home in the rain, not in a Ferrari but in a Stewart-Ford.

I remember interviewing Jackie Stewart for TV at the end of that race and he was in floods of tears, he totally lost it. That clip appeared on a few highlights rolls over the years!

From http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/f1-infor...ns-barrichello-stewart-ford-monte-carlo-1997/
Rubens Barrichello driving Stewart-Ford in 1997 at Monaco:

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Monaco is all about mechanical grip if dry,this will be a fun race for us Brawniacs!!
 
I can't figure out what Schumacher is supposed to be doing? It isn't like their drivers are young and need the mentoring. He seems to hang around doing nothing productive with a "I'm very, very cool" vibe. I'm sure Kimi and Felipe want him out of the picture. Schumacher's time is now over and Ferrari should let their drivers have the spotlight uncontested.

Odd that MSC's presence did seem to be an issue over the last 2 seasons. Ferrari is no different than any other high profile sports team, the breaks are beating the boys and people (internal and external) are looking to assign blame. As evidenced by McLaren, BMW and Ferrari, last year's major teams competed for a championship and are suffering. McLaren and Ferrari have been in the business long enough to know how to do things right and with the luxury of their budgets, will be more competetive as the season goes on. As Matchet points out periodically, the cars get faster as the year goes on. Will McLaren and Ferrari's pace of improvment exceed that of Brawn and Red Bull. I think it will.
 
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I'm sure Fezza and Macca's pace will come close to the Brawns by the time the season ends. However, I don't think they'll surpass the Brawn car. Adding bandages to an ill-handling and unreliable cars will certainly help but their cars are inherently inferior (too strong a word?) and after another 5 or 6 more races (especially if Brawn keeps winning races), teams will be looking to develop next season's cars. Provided Fezza, Renault, Toyota, and maybe BMW are actually participating next year. ;)

I'm hoping for Rubens Monaco win. Though my gut says Button is going to wipe the field clean. Whoever qualifies on pole though, will likely be the winner.
 
Re: MS; the mystery continues

Odd that MSC's presence did seem to be an issue over the last 2 seasons.
Yeah, I've been in a quandry as to what exactly Michael actually does, what he has planned, and how satisfied he is with "retirement". I had previously thought he was pretty smart in the team building/internal motivation game. And maybe he is still doing that behind the scenes for many of the crew (and maybe Flippy too). If so, good for him.

If not, what the hell is his use? Well for one, he could just be a Ferrari show piece, like the big bodacious motorhomes.

They say he's working some at the factory on road car development.......maybe but I doubt it. Probably just a cover to keep from saying that's he's just a show piece.

On the other hand, they offered him Jean Todt's job or some major management position, did they not? and he turned it down, so maybe he does have a good grip on his limitations?

I still think he might surprise and do something big. I half expected him to throw some money or more importantly sponsorship draw behind Ross Brawn back in, say, December or January when things were just coming together for the team.

I'm neither a Schumi lover or hater; I'm just fascinated by what the real story is with celebrated high profile people who manage to keep some secrets.
 
Re: Ferrari not 'hottie' but haughty

http://www.ferrari.com/English/News/Pages/090520_F1_Formula_1.aspx

Formula 1 or Formula GP3?

Maranello, 20th May - They couldn't almost believe their eyes, the men at women working at Ferrari, when they read the papers this morning and found the names of the teams, declaring that they have the intention to race in Formula 1 in the next year. Looking at the list, which leaked yesterday from Paris, you can't find a very famous name, one of those one has to spend 400 Euros per person for a place on the grandstand at a GP (plus the expenses for the journey and the stay..). Wirth Research, Lola, USF1, Epsilon Euskadi, RML, Formtech, Campos, iSport: these are the names of the teams, which should compete in the two-tier Formula 1 wanted by Mosley. Can a World Championship with teams like them - with due respect - can have the same value as today's Formula 1, where Ferrari, the big car manufacturers and teams, who created the history of this sport, compete? Wouldn't it be more appropriate to call it Formula GP3?

They say they have more downforce on their cars and that will be needed this weekend or those scuba divers rumored to be standing by in the water may be needed. :eek:
 
Did my LH post about getting married, get deleted? :confused:
 
Nope.

It's over in the Indycar thread.

DOH!


wait, Indy what?? :biggrin:








And in other F1 related news, Hambone is getting married, and doesn't even know it! :biggrin:

http://www.aceshowbiz.com/news/view/00024369.html

May 19, 2009 07:19:05 GMT

Making no attempt to hide her willingness to settle down with boyfriend Lewis Hamilton, Nicole Scherzinger says she would probably get engaged to the F1 racing driver in late July.
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"Would I get married? For sure and, yeah ... But I have to get engaged first. Late July is looking good," Nicole Scherzinger says when she is asked to spill the beans on the future of her romance with boyfriend Lewis Hamilton. "Marriage is a seal of love. On my solo album I have sung about how much I love that and what the whole process would mean to me. Who needs a reason to seal their love?" she gushes.

Opening up about what she has in mind regarding her wedding plans, The *****cat Dolls' lead singer expresses her willingness to have her bandmates involved in the process. "The Dolls can be the bridesmaids," she states.

Back in early November last year, Nicole Scherzinger was forced to deny false reports that she already got engaged to Lewis Hamilton, whom she began dating in May the same year. "I want some 'us' time before we do all that!" she insisted.

Most recently, Nicole said she wanted to duet with Lewis, who is an F1 racing driver. "He thinks he can sing - I think that's my fault! We will probably end up in the studio together. That will be great," she was quoted as saying.



I'm sure that Mrs and Mr Scherzinger will settle down and have a wonderful life. :D
 
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Re: Hamo-who; doesn't need a mood ring

Just a few days ago he was singing the workingman blues and later even suggesting he could bag F-1 for something else:

"It doesn’t feel so good,” he said, “Getting up in the morning and knowing you can’t win that weekend no matter how hard you drive or how good a job you or the team does.

“It’s hard to take but it’s a fact and you have to deal with it. You just have to adjust your expectations and find new goals.”

Now today, he forgets all that and is all sunshine and fluff when he finds a little speed and is 2nd quick in the initial "no-account" practice sessions.

Driving around Monaco is a spectacular sensation – you can’t compare it to any other circuit," enthused Hamilton. "You get such a huge buzz here; I love this place – it reminds me how much I love this sport, why I love racing and why I love Formula One.”

{Pssst, hey Reb, how am I doin'? }:wink:
 
I'm hoping for Rubens Monaco win. Though my gut says Button is going to wipe the field clean.
Notice how Button never praises the car now. He's always down on the car: "we're getting slower, slower, slower ... we need upgrades now!" ... etc. He probably learned that trick from his father.

One thing that may happen is for Rubens to win in Monaco, and JB trying his hardest to overtake but has to settle for 2nd place. That'll light a fire under Rubens, and the team will have to pay more attention to his side of the garage from now on.

For old time's sake, since Brawn knows Rubens a lot better than he knows JB, he'll be obliged to not have team orders at all and let both sides race to their fullest potential.
 
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