F1 2009 megathread

[Sandro]

Re: Have you let Ross in on that secret yet?

We'll just hold that thought until later; say October. A young stud may be in the car next year, but that doesn't mean Ruby wasn't the best choice this year with a new unknown car.

I agree whit you partially we will see in October,but my opinion is that he would not be in first 3 places.

 

[docjohn]

I am so impressed with the balance of the brawn cars.The seem to have great mechanical grip,and are easy on the tires, meaning the whole package is perfectly balanced.It is amazing what this team has done with the chassis and mercedes engines.I mean Mclaren must be begging Brawn for data,on thier chassis tuning.

 

[Ponyboy]

I am so impressed with the balance of the brawn cars.The seem to have great mechanical grip,and are easy on the tires, meaning the whole package is perfectly balanced.

And this is with an engine the car wasn't designed with. So the car would have been lighter (in F1 terms). Barcelona should have some updates to the BGP cars too.

That said, Honda was going to implement KERS technology and it doesnt' seem to be the most embraced technology in the paddock. In fact, FOTA wants it banned. So who knows if the Mercedes would be the better powerplant.

Man, Honda sure screwed the pooch. Of course, all of the money they saved is paying dividends in all the performance cars they're bringing to market. At least Honda fans have that.

 

[NSXrebel]

And this is with an engine the car wasn't designed with. So the car would have been lighter (in F1 terms). Barcelona should have some updates to the BGP cars too.

That said, Honda was going to implement KERS technology and it doesnt' seem to be the most embraced technology in the paddock. In fact, FOTA wants it banned. So who knows if the Mercedes would be the better powerplant.

Man, Honda sure screwed the pooch. Of course, all of the money they saved is paying dividends in all the performance cars they're bringing to market. At least Honda fans have that.

what performance cars?

 

[Ponyboy]

what performance cars?

Exactly.

 

[NSXrebel]

Exactly.

 

[92 white 0650]

Re: Well, Reb, not your day..........

McLaren got off and not even a little tiny $10 mill fine or anything for that rascal Hamo. :frown: Sorry. :wink:

 

[92 white 0650]

Re: Not Ferrari's or McLaren's day today..........

FIA (and Bernie) spins the Rules Wheel of Fortune again. And we thought the rules changes this year were a big deal.

Kudos to Peter Windsor for having this G2 well in advance and being perfectly positioned; applications deadline in less than a month. :wink: ROFLMAO

Well, they don't call it the Circus for nothin'.

 

[NS2000]

WOW check this out

Max Mosley: F1 could live without Ferrari


http://www.motorauthority.com/max-mosley-f1-could-live-without-ferrari.html

 

[92 white 0650]

Re: Max on a roll

Yeah, isn't that something? Spanky must be feeling pretty sporty these days after humbling McLaren once again and getting rid of his rules nemisis Ron D. as a bonus. That couldn't have worked any better for him, right? To celebrate, he probably threw one hell of a hooker party (with a different theme of course). :wink:

He's got the budget thing going his way for sure. I doubt any of the big spenders are gonna chance it and not sign up for the budget cap and the trick $hit they get with it.

And with all that F-1 talent getting pink slips, the mythical "new teams" will have their pick for staffing up.

I don't know whether all this will turn out to be a , or a :frown:, or a :smile: or more , but it's sure gonna be different. As Bob Dylan probably still says; "The times, they are a changin'." And it still occurs to me that old fart and Bernie could die of almost anything any day. Does anyone see any evidence of a succession plan? Then the politics will get real interesting.

 

[myhui]

budget cap details

Quoting http://www.formula1.com/news/headlines/2009/4/9290.html

A new Costs Commission will monitor and enforce the budget-cap regulations. Those teams accepting the cap will be able to run constantly adjustable wings, engines with no rev limit, more powerful KERS systems, and - in theory - four-wheel drive. They will also be allowed unlimited out-of-season track testing with no restrictions on the scale and speed of wind tunnel testing.​

But that's it? What about the numerous restrictions on almost all the hard dimensions of the car, and what surface features are allowed? Wheel sizes? Ground effects? Innovative damping systems? Dual fuel tanks? There's not a whole lot of difference between the two sets of rules.

 

[CKS Papa]

vindictive, greedy ………..



F1: Brawn GP Will Not Receive Honda RevenueWritten by: SPEED Staff / GMM 05/03/2009 - 09:37 AM
London (GBR) The Brawn GP team will have to go without the commercial revenue that was promised to Honda (LAT)

The Brawn GP team will not receive the commercial revenue that would have been owed to Honda in 2009, Bernie Ecclestone has confirmed.

Amid Flavio Briatore's recent rant about Ross Brawn and the Brackley based team, the Renault boss - also in charge of FOTA's commercial arm - said he will be proposing to the F1 teams alliance that millions in Honda prize money not be released to its new guise.

The Independent newspaper claims that the funds in dispute amount to 20m pounds sterling.

New teams are usually not immediately eligible for F1 commercial revenue, but before the Brawn buyout was finalised, it was reported that the current teams were happy that Honda's new owners could receive the 2009 income.

Subsequently, however, the FIA ruled thatBrawn was in fact not simply Honda's renamed guise, but an entirely new entry.

Speaking to The Independent, Ecclestone reportedly revealed that the Honda money "will not be paid to Brawn" and actually might not "be paid out at all".

"We can keep it," said the F1 chief executive, referring to a scenario where the other teams do not unanimously agree what to do with the disputed money.

In the same interview, 78-year-old Ecclestone revealed that he opposed the application to change Honda's official team name to Brawn GP. The Briton said it is "not a good name, doesn't mean anything to the public".

 

[NSXrebel]

vindictive, greedy ………..



F1: Brawn GP Will Not Receive Honda RevenueWritten by: SPEED Staff / GMM 05/03/2009 - 09:37 AM
London (GBR) The Brawn GP team will have to go without the commercial revenue that was promised to Honda (LAT)

The Brawn GP team will not receive the commercial revenue that would have been owed to Honda in 2009, Bernie Ecclestone has confirmed.

Amid Flavio Briatore's recent rant about Ross Brawn and the Brackley based team, the Renault boss - also in charge of FOTA's commercial arm - said he will be proposing to the F1 teams alliance that millions in Honda prize money not be released to its new guise.

The Independent newspaper claims that the funds in dispute amount to 20m pounds sterling.

New teams are usually not immediately eligible for F1 commercial revenue, but before the Brawn buyout was finalised, it was reported that the current teams were happy that Honda's new owners could receive the 2009 income.

Subsequently, however, the FIA ruled thatBrawn was in fact not simply Honda's renamed guise, but an entirely new entry.

Speaking to The Independent, Ecclestone reportedly revealed that the Honda money "will not be paid to Brawn" and actually might not "be paid out at all".

"We can keep it," said the F1 chief executive, referring to a scenario where the other teams do not unanimously agree what to do with the disputed money.

In the same interview, 78-year-old Ecclestone revealed that he opposed the application to change Honda's official team name to Brawn GP. The Briton said it is "not a good name, doesn't mean anything to the public".

Well if that money is owed to Honda, than it should be given to Honda. They in turn can do whatever they want with that money, even handing it over to Brawn GP

 

[92 white 0650]

Re: Rules & Details

Well if that money is owed to Honda, than it should be given to Honda. They in turn can do whatever they want with that money, even handing it over to Brawn GP

That would be nice but......even though I don't know the exact wording or even a link to this part of the issue, I'm pretty sure the rules are written that teams have to return to the series to get the money from last year.

If Brawn had continued under the Honda name, Honda would've gotten it and could have passed it on, but since Honda is totally out, they have forfeited last year's earnings. Now IIRC, Bernie had implied early in the year that he would bend the rules to help Brawn make the series this year, and maybe he would have if that brat Briatore hadn't been such a whiner. I think I've just become a Flaming Flavio hater. :wink:

 

[NSXrebel]

Re: Rules & Details

That would be nice but......even though I don't know the exact wording or even a link to this part of the issue, I'm pretty sure the rules are written that teams have to return to the series to get the money from last year.

If Brawn had continued under the Honda name, Honda would've gotten it and could have passed it on, but since Honda is totally out, they have forfeited last year's earnings. Now IIRC, Bernie had implied early in the year that he would bend the rules to help Brawn make the series this year, and maybe he would have if that brat Briatore hadn't been such a whiner. I think I've just become a Flaming Flavio hater. :wink:

Well I hope Brawn GP do take WDC and WCC this year, and next year I hope they do it again, or at least finish way better than Renault.

 

[92 white 0650]

Re: Just sitting around, waiting.........

for this weekend.........and some signal from Shawn that he hasn't abandoned us.

So, if you're waiting too, check these pics out

http://www.boston.com/bigpicture/2009/05/2009_formula_one_season_wet_dr.html

 

[Ponyboy]

Re: Just sitting around, waiting.........

for this weekend.........and some signal from Shawn that he hasn't abandoned us.

So, if you're waiting too, check these pics out

http://www.boston.com/bigpicture/2009/05/2009_formula_one_season_wet_dr.html

Tedroe, I'm still here. Just busy w/ work (Windpower Conference). Took a pick of the biggest brake setup I've ever seen and had a nice talk w/ the rep on why they should use carbon carbon brakes. They stop windmills on a horizontal and vertical axis.

That's about as much F1 as I've been involved with the last couple of weeks. Oh, but I did see Prost's old Ferrari F1 car this weekend.

 

[92 white 0650]

Re: Oh, I see where you're goin'.......

Windpower conference; how green. You pitching sponsorship of a new green, cost sensitive F-1 team? Pretty smart. :wink:

Well, with the showdown shaping up in the FOTA with the budget cap/2 tier scenario, you just might be welcomed in personally by Bernie when McLaren, Ferrari and who, else, BMW? pack up and get out next year. Max told James Allen:

“We may have a very damaging conflict, it’s possible, but we are prepared for that. We’d tough it out. We’ve got very little room to negotiate.”

Damn, I can see it all now; you and Peter Windsor being interviewed on the grid by ...............??? Wait, that could be me; I should apply for Windsor's reporting job.

$hit, never mind this weekend, now I can't wait for next year !!!!

 

[Ponyboy]

Wow, you inspired (or shamed) me to read up on the latest F1 news. Max Mosley's son found dead?

Whoa...

 

[92 white 0650]

Re: How weird will this look?

I wish the photographer would've taken the time to get a head-on shot so we could see just how asymmetric these side pods are, but it's safe to say they are not the same size/shape. Kind of like how your cheeks feel after the dentist shoots up one side only.

http://twitpic.com/4qiuu

 

[NSXrebel]

Wow, you inspired (or shamed) me to read up on the latest F1 news. Max Mosley's son found dead?

Whoa...

Unfortunately for the sport, the wrong Mosley passed away. :redface:

 

[92 white 0650]

Re: Pretty dicey.........

this budget cap/2 tier system. Patrick Head put it all quite clearly:

“If you are able to move your rear wing and lower your drag level going down the straights it has a number of interesting effects on your lap time but also on your fuel consumption, ” he said.

“I don’t think anyone thinks that a two tier championship is a good idea. Even on the basis of being able to adjust the rear wing alone..you are going to be talking about a second and a half to two seconds per lap..No amount of expenditure anywhere else will make up for that difference. It’s a difficult environment at the moment.”

The general feeling seems to be that if any of the current teams ran under cost capped conditions against the rest of the current field uncapped, the cost capped car would have a massive advantage, probably two to three seconds per lap, so it is unworkable for the current field to be divided and everyone recognises that.

There is one school of thought going around this weekend that if all the current teams, collectively as FOTA, were to choose to run uncapped, accepting that the three new teams would run capped, it might work out that the balance would not be destroyed because the three new teams would not be able to build a state of the art car in their first year, which was within three seconds a lap of a current top team anyway. This would buy some time to get the budget cap negotiated better and eliminate the two tier system for 2011, while not preventing the new teams from coming in next year.

This is all theoretical, because no-one knows yet what is going to happen before the window for entry to the 2010 world championship opens later this month. ..........

I understand that two teams, Lola and USGPE have paid deposits on a supply of Cosworth engines, so they appear to be serious about coming in. .......

"three new teams would not be able to build a state of the art car in their first year,".

That is a mighty bold statement after what Brawn has done and what he just said about 2-3 seconds advantage with the moveable wings etc. Some high stakes on the table. who knows, maybe Bernie's house of cards will come crashing down and F-1 will return to pre-90's tech and rules; shoe string racing on a wing and a prayer. Might be good. :smile:

 

[NSXrebel]

The Terminator partners with the Killer Bees.
http://www.brawngp.com

http://www.formula1.com/news/headlines/2009/5/9318.html

 

[NSXrebel]

http://current.com/items/90026412_lost-vegas.htm?xid=

I just saw this video, and I don't see F1 going to Las Vegas any time soon, if F1 ever comes back to the U.S.

It's gonna be Indianapolis most likely. :frown: , but a USGP is better than no GP.

 

[92 white 0650]

Re: And the dream continues...........

’the best pole I have ever had’

Yeah. And partly due to some setup help from Ruby's team. But Button's boys got the job done by solving "some problems" and being quick in low fuel trim to boot. Impressive.

But the dream may be over, at least for a little while, if he loses the battle for the first corner either to Vettel or Flippy.

Good to see the Red Cars still know how to phuque up. :biggrin: