Re: Well, if you didn't like that one........
how about this one? Supposedly this is Branson
how about this one? Supposedly this is Branson
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Re: Mother's Day is coming up
At the risk of being ostracized for having too much fun, I submit this idea for the little woman's day.
http://www.firewirestudios.co.uk/project_images/gp_toaster.html
I'm getting the iron myself........:redface:
At the risk of being ostracized for having too much fun, I submit this idea for the little woman's day.
http://www.firewirestudios.co.uk/project_images/gp_toaster.html
I'm getting the iron myself........:redface:
Re: Mother's Day is coming up
lol, those are good. if it means more R&D/funds for Brawn GP, I'd buy a couple of those!
lol, those are good. if it means more R&D/funds for Brawn GP, I'd buy a couple of those!
Seems that Vettel has good chance for another victory.
I'm hoping so. Should be a good race.
Congrats to Toyota for their 1-2 qualifying performance.
Re: And now for the real test
The Killer B's definitely have their work cut out for them, as other teams have figured out some major improvements. Weight corrected they are still 4th and 6th. And they are on the dirty side of the track with Hamo and Fred behind them respectively on the clean side with KERS available to kick in before the first corner. They will likely be 5th (or 6th) and 7th out of the first corner if they have their typical dodgy starts. :redface:
They need some brilliant Ross
strategy, amazing tire management and luck to be on the podium this time. :wink:
Hope they get some real smokin' go-fast parts for Spain.
Anyone see it differently?
The Killer B's definitely have their work cut out for them, as other teams have figured out some major improvements. Weight corrected they are still 4th and 6th. And they are on the dirty side of the track with Hamo and Fred behind them respectively on the clean side with KERS available to kick in before the first corner. They will likely be 5th (or 6th) and 7th out of the first corner if they have their typical dodgy starts. :redface:
They need some brilliant Ross
strategy, amazing tire management and luck to be on the podium this time. :wink:Hope they get some real smokin' go-fast parts for Spain.
Anyone see it differently?
Congrats to Brawn GP and Jenson Button! Another win!
Great race! I can hear the shit hitting the fan right now at Toyota...1st and 2nd qualifying and couldn't translate them to wins
Great race! I can hear the shit hitting the fan right now at Toyota...1st and 2nd qualifying and couldn't translate them to wins
Congrats to Brawn GP and Jenson Button! Another win!
Great race! I can hear the shit hitting the fan right now at Toyota...1st and 2nd qualifying and couldn't translate them to wins
YES!! Go Button!
Button ran a good race, though Barrichello was a little bit further back then one might expect. Both of my favorite drivers did well this weekend...Vettel got a solid 3rd and Raikkonen finally had a decent performance with the Ferrari, which is good to see.
Two weeks waiting for Spain is going to feel like a long time I anticipate.
Two weeks waiting for Spain is going to feel like a long time I anticipate.
Vettel came in 2nd, Jarno Trulli was 3rd.
Rubinho came in 5th. That Hambone character came in 4th, had nothing on Jenson.
During Qual, they compared Jenson Button's racing line to Lewis Hamilton's, their cars superimposed on each other. Button had a much better entrance and exit than Hamilton. Once they straightened out, Hamilton had an advantage with KERS, but even then he couldn't do anything against Button. Jenson Button is for sure a smoother/better driver than Hamilton.
Re: And now for the real test
I wouldn't worry too much about Brawn's pace.
They were half a second ahead per lap during the opening race, usually that will translate to about 8-ish races for other teams to catch up, that is if Brawn made zero progress during that period. Today is the perfect prove that Brawn is still the best team, with the best strategy.
If you recall 1991 season, Senna bagged the first four races, and the rest of the season, all McLaren did was hold their points lead to won the championship. Brawn can do the same and they will.
Ross Brawn is known for his strategy as well as his ability to rally the team to work miracles. There is a good reason why he won something like 10 constructors championship with Beneton and Ferrari since 1994.
I am a little disappointed with Rubens, he should be right up there with Button. I like to see him won some races again, and perhaps a championship, but his time is running.
The Killer B's definitely have their work cut out for them, as other teams have figured out some major improvements. Weight corrected they are still 4th and 6th. And they are on the dirty side of the track with Hamo and Fred behind them respectively on the clean side with KERS available to kick in before the first corner. They will likely be 5th (or 6th) and 7th out of the first corner if they have their typical dodgy starts. :redface:
They need some brilliant Ross
Hope they get some real smokin' go-fast parts for Spain.
Anyone see it differently?
I wouldn't worry too much about Brawn's pace.
They were half a second ahead per lap during the opening race, usually that will translate to about 8-ish races for other teams to catch up, that is if Brawn made zero progress during that period. Today is the perfect prove that Brawn is still the best team, with the best strategy.
If you recall 1991 season, Senna bagged the first four races, and the rest of the season, all McLaren did was hold their points lead to won the championship. Brawn can do the same and they will.
Ross Brawn is known for his strategy as well as his ability to rally the team to work miracles. There is a good reason why he won something like 10 constructors championship with Beneton and Ferrari since 1994.
I am a little disappointed with Rubens, he should be right up there with Button. I like to see him won some races again, and perhaps a championship, but his time is running.
Oops, my bad...got dyslexic with Vettel's qualifying and finishing positions.
I saw that thing with the superimposed lines (really neat, they should do it more often) and I was happy to see Button outperforming Hamilton...I was also smiling when Mr. "amazing rain driver" Hamilton couldn't handle the new McLaren in the wet in China and Vettel didn't have so much as a bobble. That was fun.
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Re: A well deserved win
That race showed that the Killer B team can get it done when they don't have the obviousl clear aero advantage. It wasn't easy, but a few key elements helped Jensen make it look easy.
First, perfect execution; I don't think he put a wheel wrong and the crew was spot on during stops. An excellent start and getting by Hamo to enjoy clean air most of the day was key to JB throwing down consistent lap times and minimizing the overheating concern.
Also, they showed that in normal (warm to hot) conditions, they make the tires work better and longer than the competition. The Toyotas suffered on that count and actually were remarkably slow at times.
And lady luck. For far too many laps, Vettel was just flat stuck; behind Hamo in the first stint and Trulli in the 2nd stint. He was held up so bad, he said that was the reason he couldn't get the most out of the tires (like enough heat in them?) He would have had something for Jens if he hadn't wasted so much time in traffic.
But on the other hand, I think Ruby got screwed by lady luck. I was happy to see him hold station against the KERS boys on the start, but he spent too much time being held up behind Trulli, Vettel and Kimi after his first stop. That plus the overheating that comes from being last in a 4 car train were probably the 2 reasons they called him in and changed to a 3 stop strategy. Unfortunately, that didn't work, but sticking with the original strategy may have been worse. He did a heckova job for 5th on 3 stops.
On another note, did anyone believe Varsha when he said they had one spare front wing and one spare diffuser between them. I doubt it's that bad, but compared to the big spenders, they are flying high on a wing and a prayer, that's for sure.
Anyway, it should be even more interesting in Spain with everyone getting significant updates.
That race showed that the Killer B team can get it done when they don't have the obviousl clear aero advantage. It wasn't easy, but a few key elements helped Jensen make it look easy.
First, perfect execution; I don't think he put a wheel wrong and the crew was spot on during stops. An excellent start and getting by Hamo to enjoy clean air most of the day was key to JB throwing down consistent lap times and minimizing the overheating concern.
Also, they showed that in normal (warm to hot) conditions, they make the tires work better and longer than the competition. The Toyotas suffered on that count and actually were remarkably slow at times.
And lady luck. For far too many laps, Vettel was just flat stuck; behind Hamo in the first stint and Trulli in the 2nd stint. He was held up so bad, he said that was the reason he couldn't get the most out of the tires (like enough heat in them?) He would have had something for Jens if he hadn't wasted so much time in traffic.
But on the other hand, I think Ruby got screwed by lady luck. I was happy to see him hold station against the KERS boys on the start, but he spent too much time being held up behind Trulli, Vettel and Kimi after his first stop. That plus the overheating that comes from being last in a 4 car train were probably the 2 reasons they called him in and changed to a 3 stop strategy. Unfortunately, that didn't work, but sticking with the original strategy may have been worse. He did a heckova job for 5th on 3 stops.
On another note, did anyone believe Varsha when he said they had one spare front wing and one spare diffuser between them. I doubt it's that bad, but compared to the big spenders, they are flying high on a wing and a prayer, that's for sure.
Anyway, it should be even more interesting in Spain with everyone getting significant updates.
Passed good for Button,how time is passing advantage of Brawn's is getting
smaller.Hope that they also keep improving cars and stay little bit forward.
Rubens time is passed,like to see B.Senna instead.
smaller.Hope that they also keep improving cars and stay little bit forward.
Rubens time is passed,like to see B.Senna instead.
We get the BBC feed here in Canada and one interesting comment heard from Martin Brundle was that Brawn is running totally different strategies in both cars to maximize collected data on the setups. This is in response to their limited test time over the winter when they went through the Honda abandonment debacle.
I guess so far Rubinho is getting the short end of the stick, but life is making the most of what you've been given.
I guess so far Rubinho is getting the short end of the stick, but life is making the most of what you've been given.
I thought it was an ejoyable race to watch. The results were never quite locked-up until the end. Was JBs car going to suffer heat related issues or would SV catch him when he went to the prime tires.
Given the 3 stop that Rubens went to, 5th was the best he could have hoped for. It seems thaat all season long, he has ended up on the short end of the stick. I really would like to see what he can do with a clean track ahead of him.
It was interesting to see just how quickly the cars divided into 2 groups. The front runners established themselves after just a few laps.
I can't wait until Spain.
Given the 3 stop that Rubens went to, 5th was the best he could have hoped for. It seems thaat all season long, he has ended up on the short end of the stick. I really would like to see what he can do with a clean track ahead of him.
It was interesting to see just how quickly the cars divided into 2 groups. The front runners established themselves after just a few laps.
I can't wait until Spain.
I don't see them running totally different strategies. The reason Rubens pitted was he was coming up on traffic. If I recall correctly, he was also lighter than Button but Button outqualified him.
Regarding the Hamo and Button overlay, I didn't see it but keep in mind they are driving different cars and therefore driving different lines may be getting the best out of each car. I am not taking anything away from Button, who I think had his best race of the season so far (especially getting by Hamo in the first lap, which turned out to be crucial). I also think Hamilton has driven incredibly well given his less than competitive platform thus far. He's been way better than Kovalainen which is the most direct comparison.
Terrible, abysmal result for Bordeais, wonder what is going on with him? Another disappointment for Nakajimi, who one would think is getting closer and closer to losing his ride. Horrible day for BMW as well.
A nice drive by Vettel again, who looks to be the rising superstar. Button really making the most of his platform and I'm anxious to see whether the new bits due to be added to the car in Spain re-establish their competitive advantage.
Regarding the Hamo and Button overlay, I didn't see it but keep in mind they are driving different cars and therefore driving different lines may be getting the best out of each car. I am not taking anything away from Button, who I think had his best race of the season so far (especially getting by Hamo in the first lap, which turned out to be crucial). I also think Hamilton has driven incredibly well given his less than competitive platform thus far. He's been way better than Kovalainen which is the most direct comparison.
Terrible, abysmal result for Bordeais, wonder what is going on with him? Another disappointment for Nakajimi, who one would think is getting closer and closer to losing his ride. Horrible day for BMW as well.
A nice drive by Vettel again, who looks to be the rising superstar. Button really making the most of his platform and I'm anxious to see whether the new bits due to be added to the car in Spain re-establish their competitive advantage.
Re: Ruby
He may be #2, but he's as good a #2 as a team could want. This may be his last year, but it'll be a good one, I'm sure.
I'll second that. Brake problems in China for 19 laps. And Sunday, he was constantly staying out of the slipstream (and sacrificing any tow) to avoid overheating. Jens would've had to do the same thing if he was in traffic. And how much time do they lose in a pit stop? 25 seconds? Since he was 37 seconds behind Button at the end, he would've been 4th easily and possibly 3rd if he hadn't had to make 3 stops. Considering that they don't have a spare car and a shoe string budget, I'm sure Ross is thinking Ruby will keep it on the track better than Bruno or any rookie.
He may be #2, but he's as good a #2 as a team could want. This may be his last year, but it'll be a good one, I'm sure.
just came across this thread....
here are some pics i took at the race... the weather was stupid!!
3 hours sitting in the rain watching cars go by. i couldn't think of a way to spend a better sunday afternoon :biggrin:
pic #6 shows actual race conditions.. the others were edited to get rid of the rain.
here are some pics i took at the race... the weather was stupid!!
3 hours sitting in the rain watching cars go by. i couldn't think of a way to spend a better sunday afternoon :biggrin:
pic #6 shows actual race conditions.. the others were edited to get rid of the rain.
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here's a link to the full gallery and full size pics.
http://weedwhackers.smugmug.com/gallery/7965500_cEAAR/1/517343173_qHGnr
http://weedwhackers.smugmug.com/gallery/7965500_cEAAR/1/517343173_qHGnr
For guys who love Honda 2 days ago L.Di Montezemolo said about Brawn's cars
at f1.com.
at f1.com.
Re: Ruby
I think you're exactly right on all counts. First is that Ruben's performance, while not up to par, has not been terrible enough to warrant a midseason switch. After the season, Ross is probably going to look at his options though.
Second, great point about a rookie driver and potentially damaging the cars and the resultant impact to cost. I hadn't thought of that but it makes good sense aswell.
One point is that it isn't just a straight 37 seconds behind - 25 seconds in the pits, since presumably you make up some time with the fresh rubber before the tires go off, and also, the reason why he pitted was he was coming up to traffice which would have slowed him too.
I think you're exactly right on all counts. First is that Ruben's performance, while not up to par, has not been terrible enough to warrant a midseason switch. After the season, Ross is probably going to look at his options though.
Second, great point about a rookie driver and potentially damaging the cars and the resultant impact to cost. I hadn't thought of that but it makes good sense aswell.
One point is that it isn't just a straight 37 seconds behind - 25 seconds in the pits, since presumably you make up some time with the fresh rubber before the tires go off, and also, the reason why he pitted was he was coming up to traffice which would have slowed him too.
Sorry guys but Rubens time passed away like D.Coultard who don't race f1 any more, he is not quick like few younger drivers who if they have his car could be done better.
Re: Have you let Ross in on that secret yet?
We'll just hold that thought until later; say October. A young stud may be in the car next year, but that doesn't mean Ruby wasn't the best choice this year with a new unknown car.
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