348 or NSX thread on Ferarri chat

[ediddynsx]

I rode in JChoice's 360 F1 and that thing was fast. Braking is way superior to NSX. Acceleration was fast all across the board. I think a SC NSX with Brembo GT brakes will be equal to a stock 360 with a muffler to about 160mph. After that the 360 will win in top speed and aerodynamics. But what do you expect from a V8 3.6L versus V6 3.0 or 3.2.

I love our cars but with the 360 and up is when the NSX was surpassed. But our cars will still give it a good run for its money when modded. :smile:

 

[BD]

I rode in JChoice's 360 F1 and that thing was fast. Braking is way superior to NSX. Acceleration was fast all across the board. I think a SC NSX with Brembo GT brakes will be equal to a stock 360 with a muffler to about 160mph. After that the 360 will win in top speed and aerodynamics. But what do you expect from a V8 3.6L versus V6 3.0 or 3.2.

I love our cars but with the 360 and up is when the NSX was surpassed. But our cars will still give it a good run for its money when modded. :smile:

Perhaps if you drive my car, you will change your mind about that statement:biggrin:

i have learned most of the NSXers complaint about the brake on their car. Close examination shows that many of the complaints came from early NSXs, if you replace the brake line (OEM or Micro Mesh), you will find big improvement with the braking.

 

[ediddynsx]

Perhaps if you drive my car, you will change your mind about that statement:biggrin:

i have learned most of the NSXers complaint about the brake on their car. Close examination shows that many of the complaints came from early NSXs, if you replace the brake line (OEM or Micro Mesh), you will find big improvement with the braking.

I am sure yours is a big improvement Vance and your car is awesome :wink: .....btw I have steel braided lines, crossed drilled rotors and aftermarket pads and it does brake way better than stock. But my car does not have carbon ceramic brakes.

Like I stated I love my car and will never give it up. But I will add other toys to my collection just as many others have. :smile:

Vance you going to the meet tommorrow?

 

[satx]

I think a SC NSX with Brembo GT brakes will be equal to a stock 360 with a muffler to about 160mph. After that the 360 will win in top speed and aerodynamics.

I highly doubt the 360 can match the aero of an 02+ NSX.

 

[Angelo08]

to quote myself ...

"The 355 had many mechanical improvements over the 348 but aesthetically it was just the 348 with new door skins and new taillight panel and a few minor other changes."
:smile:

-j

i apologize, whoops must have missed that. Been buried in the books for days straight. Sorry. :smile:

 

[ediddynsx]

I highly doubt the 360 can match the aero of an 02+ NSX.

Well top speed on a stock 02+ nsx is 176 mph and top speed on the 360 is 185mph so they are pretty close in top speed.

 

[UnhuZ]

well.....some thoughts:

- if NSX looks like a used civic.....then 348 looks like a used Fiat Uno

- NSX has Honda on the back....no matter what Fguys do, Ferraris have FIAT on the back

:biggrin: :biggrin: :biggrin: :biggrin: :biggrin: :biggrin: :biggrin: :biggrin:

mans... in my country we have a expression for the FIAT brand...i'll put the portuguese version and translate it:

Foste (you've been)
Intrujado (scammed)
Agora é (now is)
Tarde (too late)

what really pisses me off is guys trying to be better by the things they have...if you're not a true good man, it's not a car that's gonna make you one...

and...

ihihihihihi

.... Ferrari was the top cars all arround....then appeared the McLaren F1.... Ferrari guys are still trying to understand what appened....and more then a decade after....even with the enzo...they still didn't figured it out

well....keep trying....that's all that they can do....

PS - i had a dispute with a 360 modena....from 20mph to 180mph...always side by side, with a lane between us .....i only had no cats....the Fguy was pissed all over....

 

[WingZ]

Compiled 1/4 times HERE

Thanks this continues to affirm the NA2 was indeed on par with the 360 in 0-60 and 1/4 mile.

It's surprising how many NSX guys don't know how close/almost identical performance of the NA2 is to the 360 model Ferrari. Oh w/o leaving you stranded or paying for you mechanics kid to go to an ivy league school..LoL sorry Ferrari guys that was just a joke 360 is a nice piece.

 

[NetViper]

Thanks this continues to affirm the NA2 was indeed on par with the 360 in 0-60 and 1/4 mile.

It's surprising how many NSX guys don't know how close/almost identical performance of the NA2 is to the 360 model Ferrari. Oh w/o leaving you stranded or paying for you mechanics kid to go to an ivy league school..LoL sorry Ferrari guys that was just a joke 360 is a nice piece.

They are close on paper, but again, you have to think real world. In the real world, the 360 has 7-10MPH on the NSX by the 1/4 mile. In the real world, the 360 would easily pull away from 60-120.

On roebling road, I have been in a NSX, CTSC NSX and 360 Spyder and here is how each finished the straight in MPH. I don't have NA2 experience unfortunately.

NSX (93) 132
CTSC NSX (92) 140
360 spyder 155

Now, exit speeds might not have been identical in turn 9, but you can see it is a large difference.

If you realyl want to know power, the M5 came out of the corner slower than all 3 cars and still hit 150MPH in the straight.

I got going to a Ferrari event today, I will see how fast some of the other cars are.

 

[BioBanker]

Some real world comparison between my autorotor CTSCd 02 on the track with a F430 down the back straight showed that the two cars were very equal, to about 120mph, at which point the Fcar pulled away noticeably.

Lets say no car lengths to 120mph, and 3 from 120mph to 145mph.

Same straight with my car and a F360CS showed the cars about equal all the way.

 

[|Adeel]

Thanks this continues to affirm the NA2 was indeed on par with the 360 in 0-60 and 1/4 mile.

NA2 NSX-T or NSX coupe?

 

[s14_tat]

you can't look at just the 1/4 mile times. a good 1/4 mile time usually relies on a very very good 60 foot time. a true indication of horsepower is the mph that the car crosses the finish line at.

as stated the nsx na2 averages around 106-108 with the exception of a few factory freaks that finishes at 110mph.

almost every F360 that i saw finishes at 112 mph on average. now if you want to compare, just look at how fast a EVO or STi finishes the 1/4 mile in. Both of them will run a 13.2-12.7 bone stock, but they trap at 101-103mph. which means a high 13 second na1 can keep up with them from a roll and pass them on the top end. those cars manage to get a good 1/4 mile time because of their awd. people who knows how to drive them would usually pull a 1.6-1.8 second 60 foot time on the drag strip.

like what everyone said, if you were to race a na2 and a 360 from like a 80mph roll, the F360 would just walk the nsx na2 hard even though they run similar 1/4 times.

also the top speed of the F360 is 185mph ( REDLINE LIMITED) which means it runs out of gears, not power unlike the na2 nsx's, and a 10mph difference in top speed is huge. to give you an example, i forgot the formula, but it takes approximately 8 x the hp to double your speed. so for example, it might take 15 hp to hit 60 mph, but will require 120 hp to hit 120mph and 960 hp to hit 240mph.

just by finishing the 1/4 mile at a 4 mph shows that the f360 is atleast has 40 more hp giving that if they weight the same.

 

[Ski_Banker]

you can't look at just the 1/4 mile times. a good 1/4 mile time usually relies on a very very good 60 foot time. a true indication of horsepower is the mph that the car crosses the finish line at.

as stated the nsx na2 averages around 106-108 with the exception of a few factory freaks that finishes at 110mph.

almost every F360 that i saw finishes at 112 mph on average. now if you want to compare, just look at how fast a EVO or STi finishes the 1/4 mile in. Both of them will run a 13.2-12.7 bone stock, but they trap at 101-103mph. which means a high 13 second na1 can keep up with them from a roll and pass them on the top end. those cars manage to get a good 1/4 mile time because of their awd. people who knows how to drive them would usually pull a 1.6-1.8 second 60 foot time on the drag strip.

like what everyone said, if you were to race a na2 and a 360 from like a 80mph roll, the F360 would just walk the nsx na2 hard even though they run similar 1/4 times.

also the top speed of the F360 is 185mph ( REDLINE LIMITED) which means it runs out of gears, not power unlike the na2 nsx's, and a 10mph difference in top speed is huge. to give you an example, i forgot the formula, but it takes approximately 8 x the hp to double your speed. so for example, it might take 15 hp to hit 60 mph, but will require 120 hp to hit 120mph and 960 hp to hit 240mph.

just by finishing the 1/4 mile at a 4 mph shows that the f360 is atleast has 40 more hp giving that if they weight the same.

True, but the 360 and NSX will have similar traction issues off the line, compared to the STI. I guess I don't care all that much - when an AMG saloon car can run about the same times - who cares? 10+ years ago, speed is what differentiated the best sports cars from anything else, but not anymore.

 

[s14_tat]

the nsx's lower weight, and lower tq helps it off the line compared to the ferrari. weight is a big issue from a complete stop and becomes less relavent when your moving a freeway speeds.

plus now that i think about it, the average na2 nsx 1/4 times are in the mid 13's with a two exceptions where they hit a 12.9 where as the F360 almost always ran a 12.7 in the 1/4 so right there showed a difference of .5 second + in their 1/4 mile times and up to 6 mph difference in trap speed.

and yes those amg's are truely beastly. but they also pack atleast 469hp so that helps a ton.

 

[BD]

the nsx's lower weight, and lower tq helps it off the line compared to the ferrari. weight is a big issue from a complete stop and becomes less relavent when your moving a freeway speeds.

plus now that i think about it, the average na2 nsx 1/4 times are in the mid 13's with a two exceptions where they hit a 12.9 where as the F360 almost always ran a 12.7 in the 1/4 so right there showed a difference of .5 second + in their 1/4 mile times and up to 6 mph difference in trap speed.

and yes those amg's are truely beastly. but they also pack atleast 469hp so that helps a ton.

It is a shame that we didn't get the better NSX models here. In BMI, a NSX-S Zero pulled 12.4xxx on 1/4 miles on multiple tests. That's pertty remarkable.

 

[my1stnsx]

It is a shame that we didn't get the better NSX models here. In BMI, a NSX-S Zero pulled 12.4xxx on 1/4 miles on multiple tests. That's pertty remarkable.

Dam honda!!! Maybe next time they'll bring it over when they make the new NSX!!!:biggrin:

 

[2slow2speed]

Thanks this continues to affirm the NA2 was indeed on par with the 360 in 0-60 and 1/4 mile.

It's surprising how many NSX guys don't know how close/almost identical performance of the NA2 is to the 360 model Ferrari. Oh w/o leaving you stranded or paying for you mechanics kid to go to an ivy league school..LoL sorry Ferrari guys that was just a joke 360 is a nice piece.

You are probably only comparing 1/4 mile times, in every other performance measurement the 360 is better.

As I quoted in a different thread a stock 360 Modena pulled a 2:07's laptime at Thunderhill Raceway and a stock NA2 was running in the 2:14's on the same day on the same course, 7 seconds on a 3 mile roadcourse is huge .

 

[WingZ]

They are close on paper, but again, you have to think real world. In the real world, the 360 has 7-10MPH on the NSX by the 1/4 mile. In the real world, the 360 would easily pull away from 60-120.

On roebling road, I have been in a NSX, CTSC NSX and 360 Spyder and here is how each finished the straight in MPH. I don't have NA2 experience unfortunately.

NSX (93) 132
CTSC NSX (92) 140
360 spyder 155

Now, exit speeds might not have been identical in turn 9, but you can see it is a large difference.

If you realyl want to know power, the M5 came out of the corner slower than all 3 cars and still hit 150MPH in the straight.

I got going to a Ferrari event today, I will see how fast some of the other cars are.

Actually on paper their not , I was just referring to magazine tests. How did the Ferrari event go?

NA2 NSX-T or NSX coupe?

NA2 NSX C vs 360 then 360 Spyder vs NSX-T and the 360CS vs NSX-R

 

[WingZ]

They are close on paper, but again, you have to think real world. In the real world, the 360 has 7-10MPH on the NSX by the 1/4 mile. In the real world, the 360 would easily pull away from 60-120.

On roebling road, I have been in a NSX, CTSC NSX and 360 Spyder and here is how each finished the straight in MPH. I don't have NA2 experience unfortunately.

NSX (93) 132
CTSC NSX (92) 140
360 spyder 155

Now, exit speeds might not have been identical in turn 9, but you can see it is a large difference.

If you realyl want to know power, the M5 came out of the corner slower than all 3 cars and still hit 150MPH in the straight.

I got going to a Ferrari event today, I will see how fast some of the other cars are.

Actually on paper their not , I was just referring to magazine tests. How did the Ferrari event go?

NA2 NSX-T or NSX coupe?

NA2 NSX C vs 360 then 360 Spyder vs NSX-T and the 360CS vs NSX-R

You are probably only comparing 1/4 mile times, in every other performance measurement the 360 is better.

As I quoted in a different thread a stock 360 Modena pulled a 2:07's laptime at Thunderhill Raceway and a stock NA2 was running in the 2:14's on the same day on the same course, 7 seconds on a 3 mile roadcourse is huge .

No if you read my posts I described 0-60 1/4 mile , roadholding , braking etc

What version of NA2? 360 has slightly better cornering and braking so I would be surprised if it wasn't faster. Why are you rolling your eyes? If your a Ferrari guy I did say no offense

 

[S-TO-8K]

2:07 vs 2:14...were both drivers considered equally skilled??

 

[Stick-e-rice]

A 348 against a 91-94 NSX is probably a better comparison. I think the NA2's are a little out of the 348's league.

I would have to say that I wouldn't be surprised if a person would take the 348 over the NSX so they can tell their buddies that they drive a Ferrari. I, am however, not like the rest. Brand names and perceived image is not what is important to me; but quality is. I'll take the NSX thank you.

 

[2slow2speed]

What version of NA2? 360 has slightly better cornering and braking so I would be surprised if it wasn't faster. Why are you rolling your eyes? If your a Ferrari guy I did say no offense

FYI, The particular article that I am referring to was in the January 2001 issue of Road and Track, the title of the article is "Battle of the Brands".

The "hired shoe" was Steve Millen (yes that Steve Millen of IMSA/Le Mans fame) so lack of driving skills was not an issue.

The cars tested were:

Ferrari 550 vs 360
Porsche Turbo vs Boxster S
Acura/Honda NSX vs S2000
BMW Z8 vs M Roadster
Mercedes Benz SL500 vs SLK320
Chevrolet Corvette Z06 vs Camaro SS

Laptimes
Ferrari 360 2001 Modena 2:07.65
Corvette Z06 2001 2:08.39
Ferrar 550 2001 Maranello 2:09.25
Porsche 2001 911 Turbo 2:10.73
BMW Z8 2001 2:13.30
Acura 2001 NSX-T 2:14.15
Mercedes Benz 2001 SL500 2:16.05
Chevrolet Camaro SS 2001 2:16.46
BMW M Roadster 2001 2:17.28
Porsche 2001 Boxster S 2:17.46
Honda 2001 S2000 2:17.66
Mercedes Benz 2001 SLK320 2:20.87

0-60:
Ferrari 360 2001 Modena 4.3
Corvette Z06 2001 4.6
Ferrar 550 2001 Maranello 4.7
Porsche 2001 911 Turbo 4.0
BMW Z8 2001 4.5
Acura 2001 NSX-T 4.9
Mercedes Benz 2001 SL500 6.2
Chevrolet Camaro SS 2001 5.5
BMW M Roadster 2001 5.4
Porsche 2001 Boxster S 5.6
Honda 2001 S2000 4.9
Mercedes Benz 2001 SLK320 6.7

Slalom:
Ferrari 360 2001 Modena 67.4mph
Corvette Z06 2001 67.1mph
Ferrar 550 2001 Maranello 62.8mph
Porsche 2001 911 Turbo 4.0 67.8mph
BMW Z8 2001 62.3mph
Acura 2001 NSX-T 62.1mph
Mercedes Benz 2001 SL500 60.0mph
Chevrolet Camaro SS 2001 60.0mph
BMW M Roadster 2001 63.0mph
Porsche 2001 Boxster S 65.6mph
Honda 2001 S2000 65.9mph
Mercedes Benz 2001 SLK320 63.6mph

The NSX laptimes are very consistent with what I have seen at Thunderhill.

You can ask any of the many NorCal NSX owners who have ever driven their cars wether or not he/she has been anywhere close to 2:14 on their stock NSX at Thunderhill.

I've been to Thill more than 40 times with my heavily modified NSX, with R-compounds, a Big Ass wing, Vented Hood, NSX-R suspension, swaybars, intake, header, exhaust and putting down 270rwhp the best that I can manage is a 2:06~2:07's so knowing that a bone stock 360 Modena can do 2:07's is very humbling to say the least. Other race prepped NSX's with significant weight loss, engine mods and street tires, can barely get into the 2:05's (look at the NASA Open Track challenge laptimes for reference)

I roll my eyes everytime that I read these kind of posts because there are folks who simply refuse to accept reality.

Any NSX owner who is honest and has been on the track with a F360 with a good driver would know that the F360 handles better out of the box than a NA2 NSX and probably even better than the NSX-R.

If you believe that a 2002+ NA2 will make up 7 seconds because of a slightly wider rear tire and a "so called" stronger engine that many folks are referring to, then you are really drinking the cool-aid

And to everyone who keeps quoting BMI stuff, get a life , you guys are total fanatics who take everything that BMI writes/produces as gospel without even thinking (visualize some zombies..)

Learn to drive the NSX at the limit on the track and then you should honestly asses the capabilities of the NSX against other cars instead of just bench racing all the time

 

[2slow2speed]

2:07 vs 2:14...were both drivers considered equally skilled??

Steve Millen was the driver of each and every car when the laptimes were recorded, and he can surely drive

 

[NetViper]

Steve Millen was the driver of each and every car when the laptimes were recorded, and he can surely drive

I recall that issue, but I also recall them saying something didnt feel right with that NSX.. like it might have had a problem. Do you remember that?

 

[BioBanker]

Yeah, I dont doubt that the F360 is (way) better right out of the box, but a three second difference between the NSX and the S2000 doesnt sound right to me.