2005

Silver F16 · 19 August 2003

Automotive news, one of the more reliable industry publications had this to say on our successor:

NSX - The full model change will occur for the '05 model year, bringing a larger displacement motor, lighter chassis components and "possibly aluminum body panels". The plans for a hybrid version are said to have been "shelved".

TomR1999 · 19 August 2003

so a 3.5 liter v6 looks like it may come. Hopefully it will have 350hp or more.

matteni · 19 August 2003

Thanks for posting. Do you have a link to the source?

nsxtasy · 19 August 2003

A reliable source - the head of the biggest dealer servicer of NSXs in the Midwest - told me over the weekend that the NSX will be continued as is for two more model years, 2004 and 2005.

I believe this was previously reported here at one point a couple of months ago but may have been for a foreign market.

I also believe this report is accurate, and the inference I make from it is that no final go/no-go decision has been made regarding a replacement for the NSX. This part (about deferral of a final decision) is strictly conjecture on my part; the continuation for two years is what I heard from the dealer noted above.

Note that the report of continuation of the current model into the 2005 model year would not be inconsistent with the introduction of the new car during the 2005 calendar year...

nsxtasy · 19 August 2003

matteni said:
Do you have a link to the source?

I assume it is a subscriber-only feature, based on the Automotive News home page, which gives only the start of the article, as follows:

"FUTURE PRODUCTS:ASIAN BRANDS

Asian blitz continues

The Asia future product blitz will grow stronger in the next four years. The Japanese will launch more big, American-sized vehicles, such as the 2004 Mitsubishi Galant and the full-sized Nissan Titan pickup. The Koreans will offer more sport wagons and various redesigns. Automotive News' five-part series on future product continues with Asian makes. SUBSCRIBER-ONLY FEATURE!"

Justin664 · 19 August 2003

More of the article can be read here:

http://www.vtec.net/news/news-item?news_item_id=128371

PoohBEAR · 19 August 2003

so what this mean is that the price of current nsx will depreciate big time...NO?

hyuan · 20 August 2003

yellowpad said:
so what this mean is that the price of current nsx will depreciate big time...NO?

I would expect used later model NSXs to be affected. Those that have depreciated substantially (more than 20K) would probably not be impacted as much.

A large portion of NSXs are significantly older and are quite simply not in the same price bracket as a new vehicle. Therefore, I would expect just from simple supply-demand logic, the new car introduction will not impact the older cars for years to come; if the new NSX is sold in low volumes comparable to today's sales, then I would expect next to no impact.

I'm willing to bet that if there was a study conducted to determine the owner demographics for newer (97+) versus older (94-), you would see a significant difference in ownership demographics. This would indicate that the particpants in the supply demand equation are substantially different.

Silver F16 · 20 August 2003

Well,

I cut and paste the matrix from the site due to subscriber feature

Here are the major planned changes in the lineup by model year.

2004: RSX freshened, TSX debuts, TL redesign
2005: RL redesigned, NSX restyled & re-engineered
2006: RSX redesigned, MDX redesigned
2007: RD-X Sport wagon debuts

CL: The coupe dies at the end of the 2003 model year.

RSX: Midcycle changes for the 2004 model year include freshened front and rear fascias and a 220-hp Type S. A redesign comes for the 2006 model year

TSX: The high-content version of the Europe-market Honda Accord went on sale this summer.

TL: The New York auto show concept car is the redesigned 2004 sedan. The engine is said to be a 3.4-liter V-6 with more power than the 260-hp, 3.2-liter Type S engine in the 2003 model.

RL: While the redesigned 2005 model will debut in the spring, a V-8 will not be under the hood. Instead, one of two powerplants is likely: a 300-hp, 3.8-liter V-6 that is being tested in Japan, or a hybrid powertrain, combining a 250-hp, 3.0-liter V-6 and a 160-hp motor. The V-6 engine would run on three cylinders when cruising to save fuel

NSX: The NSX will be restyled and re-engineered for the 2005 model year. The NSX likely will receive a larger-displacement engine, lighter chassis components and possibly aluminum body panels. A hybrid version - as hinted in the 2001 Dual Note concept car - has been shelved.

RD-X: Acura will add a sport wagon based on a modified version of the Civic platform, which carries the Honda CR-V and Honda Element. The 2007 entry likely will follow styling cues from the RD-X concept, which was displayed at the 2002 Detroit auto show.

MDX: A redesign for the popular MDX sport wagon is slated for the 2006 model year, likely fitted with a 3.8-liter V-6

Tom Larkins · 20 August 2003

yellowpad said:
so what this mean is that the price of current nsx will depreciate big time...NO?

If the info is true do we have any reason to believe that would be the case other than opinion. History of current values has been discussed at length before and we have seen them drop only to a certain point(dollar amount) and hold stable for a well maintained NSX.

Ask yourself this....if they do follow up w/another NSX are we going to see the beginning of a re-generation-re-birth, conversly added appeal over time with those cars that remain in A & B physical condition. Not that those would appreaciate, but still hold stable and reasonable values. Just something to think about.

Eric5273 · 20 August 2003

I must be the only NSX owner who is hoping the NSX does NOT hold it's value well. I leased mine and the lease will be up in June 2006. If my car does not hold it's value well, then perhaps I will be able to negotiate a better buyback price.

Zuerst · 20 August 2003

Silver F16 said:
...

TSX: The high-content version of the Europe-market Honda Accord went on sale this summer.

...

Didn't the TSX debuted already or did I spent a whole year in dormancy and it's already 2004?

Eric5273 said:
I must be the only NSX owner who is hoping the NSX does NOT hold it's value well. I leased mine and the lease will be up in June 2006. If my car does not hold it's value well, then perhaps I will be able to negotiate a better buyback price.

I'm hopping that there will be a redesign NSX, and it will be so good that you'll decide to ditch your `03 and lease/buy the all new NSX...

Black Knight · 20 August 2003

regardless of the news, it's time to start saving up.....

nsxtasy · 20 August 2003

Eric5273 said:
I must be the only NSX owner who is hoping the NSX does NOT hold it's value well. I leased mine and the lease will be up in June 2006. If my car does not hold it's value well, then perhaps I will be able to negotiate a better buyback price.

You must be the only NSX lessor that thinks that. Most lessors would prefer that the NSX holds its value better than their buyback price, which would enable you to buy the car, then turn around and sell it at a profit.

Originally posted by Zuerst
Didn't the TSX debuted already or did I spent a whole year in dormancy and it's already 2004?

The 2004 model year TSX debuted already, on sale in 2003. The article clearly refers to model years, not calendar years. And they can sell a 2004 model year car as early as January 1, 2003.

4AU4LIFE · 20 August 2003

I guess no pics, or artist renditions?

nsxtasy · 20 August 2003

92NSX said:
I guess no pics, or artist renditions?

No, we're still busy re-cycling some of the previous guesses from years ago.

Jimbo · 20 August 2003

The big news seems to be those aluminum body panels! WOW! That's amazing.

-Jim

apapada · 20 August 2003

Eric5273 said:
I must be the only NSX owner who is hoping the NSX does NOT hold it's value well. I leased mine and the lease will be up in June 2006. If my car does not hold it's value well, then perhaps I will be able to negotiate a better buyback price.

Assuming you acquired it in June 2003 (as per your registration shows) and that you therefore have a 36 month-lease, at $799/month, that's $28,764 over that period.

If the introduction of the new NSX is indeed in the fall 2004 as a 2005 model, the dealerships will probably be recieving several older NSX as trade-ins which should in theory contribute to the depreciation process of these "older" cars.

However, what may also happen is that potential new-to-the-NSX buyers, being attracted to the showrooms by the new one but end up buying those older cars (due to the price difference) will absorb without problems the potential rise of the offer of the older NSX, hence maintaining a relatively higher resale price than what we would initially think... I guess we'll see in time, but imho you will probably end up getting a good deal if buying it back...

PoohBEAR · 20 August 2003

are you pondering what i am pondering?

I just recently sold my X, have found a couple of deals, nowwwwww......hmmm..should i wait or should i go--i guess i should take mr. knight's suggestion...START SAVING!!!

apapada said:
Assuming you acquired it in June 2003 (as per your registration shows) and that you therefore have a 36 month-lease, at $799/month, that's $28,764 over that period.

If the introduction of the new NSX is indeed in the fall 2004 as a 2005 model, the dealerships will probably be recieving several older NSX as trade-ins which should in theory contribute to the depreciation process of these "older" cars.

However, what may also happen is that potential new-to-the-NSX buyers, being attracted to the showrooms by the new one but end up buying those older cars (due to the price difference) will absorb without problems the potential rise of the offer of the older NSX, hence maintaining a relatively higher resale price than what we would initially think... I guess we'll see in time, but imho you will probably end up getting a good deal if buying it back...

apapada · 20 August 2003

yellowpad said:
are you pondering what i am pondering? I just recently sold my X, have found a couple of deals, nowwwwww......hmmm..should i wait or should i go--i guess i should take mr. knight's suggestion...START SAVING!!!

I think everything is very well said in this month's Grassroot Motorsport Magasine's article about "Budget Supercars".

nuf said...

Tom Larkins · 20 August 2003

Ok, so the link to the vtech site gives it a credibility rating of 6 which indicates a past reliable pattern when it comes to rumor or speculation. Poking around this site for a time everyone has debated this subject to death. My ? to those that have been around longer than I. AutomotiveNews, is it anymore reliable than some fo the other written spew thats been posted here from C & D, R&T etc. or is this the first real hint that something is in the works and we may actually get more reliable info even as tight lipped as Acura is?

Just wondering, don't really care about hearing about the friend of a friend thats a engineer w/AmHonda that says crap response.

Silver F16 · 20 August 2003

Automotive news is a weekly newsletter/magazine published by Crane. Their target audience are not consumers or car enthusiast. The audience are managers and executives in auto companies (GM, Ford), OEM suppliers (Delphi, Visteon), and car dealers. They frequently have interviews with CEO of many auto companies. A Honda and Toyota CEO interview was done earlier this year.

I doubt everthing they say is true. But since this information is read by executives in the auto industry, its credibility needs to be higher than your Motortrend magazine.

Juice · 20 August 2003

Give me the Dual Note. I'll be happy with 450 hp car that gets 36mpg.

Eric5273 · 20 August 2003

nsxtasy said:
You must be the only NSX lessor that thinks that. Most lessors would prefer that the NSX holds its value better than their buyback price, which would enable you to buy the car, then turn around and sell it at a profit.

Yeah.......I've thought about that too. Except I actually would like to keep it, so I'd rather it cost less.

nsxtasy · 20 August 2003

Silver F16 said:
Automotive news is a weekly newsletter/magazine published by Crane. Their target audience are not consumers or car enthusiast. The audience are managers and executives in auto companies (GM, Ford), OEM suppliers (Delphi, Visteon), and car dealers. They frequently have interviews with CEO of many auto companies. A Honda and Toyota CEO interview was done earlier this year.

I doubt everthing they say is true. But since this information is read by executives in the auto industry, its credibility needs to be higher than your Motortrend magazine.

From what I've seen, any statements to the media by American Honda executives on future plans are well coordinated beforehand, and are generally communicated to, and reported by, all the mainstream consumer media (Motor Trend, Car and Driver, Road & Track, AutoWeek) at the same time as the industry media (Automotive News). In fact, AutoWeek and Automotive News are both part of Crain (not Crane) Communications and I'd bet dollars to paper clips that the information comes at one time, from the same source (spokesman or statement) at American Honda and is disseminated through the same channels for both publications. Given the pattern of identical product plans announced in the big consumer mags and the trade press, it's no surprise that their reliability is similar. Not 100 percent - sometimes plans change, after all - but they are generally reporting something that they got from an official spokesman or statement from American Honda.

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