Where are all the Production deliveries ??

Bricks and Bio said:
My car is on the road at least 1 day a week and I see lots of camera phone action

and Brylek did his magic photographing the car and putting it out there

i hope the other cars are getting driven but I haven't seen another one on the road in Chicagoland either
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Let's setup another shoot soon. Check your PM. :)
 
MasterNSXTech said:
So how would you do it then if you were me? Just forfeit the allocation if you don't have a buyer with a deposit down? That would certainly keep the value of the car solid since it would minimize the amount of cars on the ground collecting dust. But you hardly sell any cars, if any at all.

My two cars so far sold to people just shopping around. They weren't wait listed. More or less just walk ins. And in order to sell to people like that, you need inventory on the ground. You guys here on these forums are a little more invested in these cars so you might be more inclined to order to spec and wait. But the reality is a lot of cars like this are impulse buys. Football player just got a fat contract and goes to the Rolls Royce dealer and just takes whatever strikes his fancy from what they have in stock. Not gonna worry too much if the car is missing the starlight roof option. Rich guy wants to buy his trophy wife a Ferrari will just go to the dealer and take whatever California they have in stock and have it delivered to her with a bow on it that day.
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Good question.
First when you say "my two cars" I assume you mean your dealerships two cars.

I think each dealer has to make their decisions on ordering based on their market regions
A dealer in North Dakota would presumably order fewer than one in Palo Alto.

I think the allocations and unsold numbers need to be macro-managed by Honda across all market areas.
No point for Honda to create a situation where dealers feel they must order or lose forward allocation and end up with three or four NSX's in a showroom and no one likes their specs.
Honda should decide the maximum of unsolds per market region and work with their dealerships in the regions to match supply with actual customer demand.

This is not rocket science.
We're taking 700-800 cars per year and there are lots of Honda staff to interface with dealer on unsolds and the factory order file.

At this point I don't believe Honda has a handle on their real NSX sales pace.
Dealers continue to order so as not to lose allocation.
The factory has an order file based on the dealer orders.
It all looks great until you count the climbing inventory at dealerships.
So dealers will discount to try to move inventory and if that doesn't work dealers will stop investing in unsold NSX inventory.
At that point the whole system comes to a screeching halt and the factory curtails.

Meantime all the real customers who bought NSX's watch the discounting.

How do the sales staff at your dealership handle a customer who has bought from you at list or list + then a few months later sees the same car for $20-30 K less?
 
A further point on the inventory.
Buyers of $200K cars are amongst the best informed car customers in the market.
As they see inventories climb they anticipate price reductions so buying stops.

All the dealers and Honda are doing with their unsold inventory is convincing buyers not to buy now.
And for those who've bought, they're being taught that you can't count on Honda and their dealers to maintain a stable price market, and you cant buy with confidence that the price paid is a fair reflection of the market value of the car.
 
JD Cross said:
Good question.
First when you say "my two cars" I assume you mean your dealerships two cars.

I think each dealer has to make their decisions on ordering based on their market regions
A dealer in North Dakota would presumably order fewer than one in Palo Alto.
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There are no Acura dealers in North Dakota.
The one dealer in South Dakota has two NSXes in stock (both Casino White Pearl).
 
JD Cross said:
How do the sales staff at your dealership handle a customer who has bought from you at list or list + then a few months later sees the same car for $20-30 K less?
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I think this dynamic is called "life." I've paid premiums on a few cars in the past (and basically full MSRP on everything I've bought recently). In every single case, the prices come down to MSRP or below within a year of release-- although you may have to order a car and wait a bit versus snagging exactly what you want from showroom at MSRP right away.

If a car salesperson tries to justify a high price / premium on a ~$200K car by promising stable or appreciating values, then shame on the buyer if he believes that puffery (Buyer is probably much older and has more education / life experience than the sales guy). Caveat Emptor.

These are toys, people. Not investments.
 
JD Cross said:
Good question.
First when you say "my two cars" I assume you mean your dealerships two cars.


How do the sales staff at your dealership handle a customer who has bought from you at list or list + then a few months later sees the same car for $20-30 K less?
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Of course it's my store's cars. I don't see myself personally owning one unless the upcoming super duper high performance variant in a year or two just knocks my socks off.

While I know some in the area sold for a premium over sticker, my first sold for sticker, and our second just sold for a little under sticker (and no I won't say how much under). And I'm sure in half a year if there's still this many on the ground $10k+ discounts will be happening. If the guy that bought the first car at sticker is bummed out that they now go for a discount...sorry but that's the price anyone pays with any kind of new thing to be the "Jones" that everyone has to keep up with. The iPhone is what, 10 years old now. Remember how much it cost when it first came out? Then after a number of months, they dropped the price. I bet everyone that paid $400 than they had to were less than thrilled to see that happen. But they got to have the conversation piece for a while before many others did.
 
JD Cross said:
How do the sales staff at your dealership handle a customer who has bought from you at list or list + then a few months later sees the same car for $20-30 K less?
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thats the same with any car. those people never buy a car because they're always waiting for the price to go down.

all those people who passed on the Xmas deals and are now coming back asking if we can do those prices are out of luck. suv pricing just went up again, so they really shot themselves in the foot.
 
MasterNSX and powdbyrice
Thank you for your comments
I think I have a better understanding of how dealerships are viewing the NSX and it's making more sense to me now
 
^absolutely agree with above, insight from dealers perspective is informative....when i am ready to purchase i willbe calling these participating/supporting dealers!
 
Just as an example of constant relisting on fleabay, this white one came on again today:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/2017-Acura-NSX-/272527972486?_trksid=p2141725.m3641.l6368

It has been listed 5 times in November, December and now January and the price has come down progressively from $210k to $193k.

Most ads I see autolisted here from fleabay have been listed at least 5 times previously and I have not seen any marked as sold.
 
Who would pay MRSP or above, sight unseen (apart from pics), to be the second owner of a car not spec'd by the buyer and bought from a non-dealer that needs to be shipped out of state?

I never thought the Gen 2 NSX would sell for premiums for long. That never made any sense. Pay 5-10% over to be the first kid on the block? I could maybe see that for the first few months for the rich and impatient. At this point, however, the people who were committed to buy before NSX was released have gotten their cars.
 
The update:
The additional accessories announced may have been added to the Playbook too soon (ex. no pricing available for the tire totes).
I informed the NSX specialist of the owner's video with the wrong wheels. Do not expect it to be revised. When he told folks about the models having the start button on the wrong side it was not well received.
Acura perceives the inventory situation as no problem. Many dealers want a car on the floor. They are confounded at how many cars are in other brand stores and at specialty dealers.
They believe Rahal did not sell is # 15 car after all.
One car was delivered dirty per the dealership and they are trying to get the facts together on that.
He was surprised to hear that my dealer had not received his second car yet as they had shipped about 520 to US dealers at this point.
It is unclear how Ludacris got his car (i.e. may not have been a VIP program).
No news on if someone has actually taken a tour yet.
They will be doing more surveys, reaching from before you ordered the car to when you got it.
No news on test drives.
They have not lifted the limits on ordering parts that match your build. For wheels they have been doing a one at a time ok (car came with painted, second set polished).
No changes in options, etc. are expected for the second year of production.
Confirmed that a configuration change like a targa or vert would require a big engineering effort.
Type R is just a bunch of rumors.
They are looking forward to the 24 hour race next week end.
 
Bridgewater Acura now taking other dealer's allocations. Has one in stock for $10k under msrp and has 3 more coming in. Smart to do this and take smaller profits on several cars. He also offered us his first allocation at msrp while other dealers wanted premiums.
 
RSO 34 said:
Just as an example of constant relisting on fleabay, this white one came on again today:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/2017-Acura-NSX-/272527972486?_trksid=p2141725.m3641.l6368

It has been listed 5 times in November, December and now January and the price has come down progressively from $210k to $193k.

Most ads I see autolisted here from fleabay have been listed at least 5 times previously and I have not seen any marked as sold.
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it will continue to drop, it has a buy it now at 189 at the wholesale site.
 
RSO 34 said:
Bridgewater Acura now taking other dealer's allocations. Has one in stock for $10k under msrp and has 3 more coming in. Smart to do this and take smaller profits on several cars. He also offered us his first allocation at msrp while other dealers wanted premiums.
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i was trying to make a deal on this but we were 10k off on my trade.....i guess they made up for it on the discount, i plan on waiting til july
 
So just got back last night from the Ferrari Cocktail event locally for the GT4C Lusso, amazing event as usual, our only point in this post is that Ferrari REALLY knows how to do these events to introduce their new models. This was a very nice VIP event, only by invitation and well organized. Most importantly, they had all the big names there to speak about their race next week at Daytona and right after the unveiling, no ropes or blocking the car off! Car was unlocked and everyone was able to hop in the car to check it out with wine glasses in one hand and kids allowed too. At MSRP of $295k they treat their current and potential customers all very openly, this is the big difference!








The lady in yellow sweater in backdrop has a yellow LaFerrari and her husband is VP at Google (has a P1, multiple Ferrari, etc)
 
MasterNSXTech said:
I think many people in the car world know who Ben and Christine are. Not many people have a FXX-K and ​a 599XX!
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LOL good point! Nice people to chat with and really passionate about cars / racings for sure!
 
EuroBoutique said:
LOL good point! Nice people to chat with and really passionate about cars / racings for sure!
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That looks like quite a great time Rick. I hope to see you again at another nsx meet soon so we can talk interior for my car. Thanks for being a great vendor to our community.
 

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