Thinking about buying a couple of firearms (need suggestions)

My opinion is probably weak since we dont have a lot of firearms in Australia, but after my visit to AZ i'd have to recommend a .22. Yes, it's a small calibre, but what impressed me is the zero-recoil allows accurate rapid fire. So easy to handle with no training.

Otherwise i'd have to echo the other guys suggesting 9mm's or a mini-gun for home defense.

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My opinion is probably weak since we dont have a lot of firearms in Australia, but after my visit to AZ i'd have to recommend a .22. Yes, it's a small calibre, but what impressed me is the zero-recoil allows accurate rapid fire. So easy to handle with no training.

Otherwise i'd have to echo the other guys suggesting 9mm's or a mini-gun for home defense.

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and a 22 won't penetrate the bone so it goes up the bone and does a crap load of damage. get shot in the ankle, remove the bullet in the thigh.
 
For home protection, get a shotgun:

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For home protection, get a shotgun:

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quite the cliffhanger mike, wheres the result?
 
Not quite sure why you are trying to argue with me here, I know what I'm talking about and your backing up your statements on a VERY technically subject from a very general info source. Just like your not going to find the most intiment details of the NSX on Wikipedia either. If you don’t believe me, even though AR15’s are essential my life, please go to www.ar15.com and post "is a M-16 an assault rifle?"....LOL, have fun.

Somehow I knew you were a fellow Arfcommer :wink:

I went the LLC route to get my Class 3 items, Very Painless and not expensive, plus now I have a Trust to boot! :biggrin:
 
Great thread!

The comments about not shooting before formal police training has merit if you plan on just hitting the range cold without any other professional training.

My CCW was a Les Baer Custom 1911 Stinger until last month when I switched to a Springfield XD Subcompact in .40S&W. Fantastic weapon BTW.

Other handguns are Beretta Mini Cougar 45, Beretta 96G Brigadier Elite, Les Baer Premier II, STI Edge, etc., etc. I do not own any Glocks but have shot just about all of them. They are reliable, simple to manipulate and trusted by many. However for a self defense gun, I personally do not like them. I learned on an 1911 fifteen years ago and my muscle memory has been programmed. I consistently shoot high with a Glock when drawn from a holster due to it's acute grip angle. The only way to know which gun is best for you is to shoot lots of rounds through lots of guns.

Home defense consists of one of the 1911s and Benelli M1 Tactical.

Rifles are Remington 700 , a couple of Sako's, and about four AR-15's in various configurations. I'm building a few more AR's before the elections next year (just a statement, no political comments). Waiting for tax stamp right now. Latest build is here:

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Hello Naaman,

Based on what I've been told from Tactical (TAC) Officers and current recruits on a few different departments, it is not advisable that you purchase any firearm now and definitely not to get in any "practice" time. LAPD is a great example of a department that shuns personal shooting practice because it is their belief that you will develop bad habits and will hinder you in learning it their way. I was thinking along the lines that you are before getting this information myself so I know how you feel.


This is excellent advise. I did 25 years in the business and without question every firearms instructor prefers a student with no "skills". That way they teach you the correct, safe way to shoot. Resist the urge to go buy guns before being hired as a cop.
 
Unfortuneatelty, I cannot edit my original post to update it (it's over a year old). Post #22 is my most recent one (other than this one, of course). Anyway, the more I read about the 1911, the more I'm leaning in that direction. For anyone who may not know, I'm currently in the army, so I have had some professional, correct training, and have a firm grasp on the fundamentals of proper and accurate shooting.

However, the army puts very tight restrictions on the possession of personal weapons unless the soldier lives off-base (which I most likely will when I get back to the States). But in the meantime, I haven't been able to get much experience with weapons other than the Beretta 9mm NATO. It's an okay weapon... I mean... it's good enough, but I don't think I like it as a personal weapon. The plus side is that it has a 15-round capacity, which is good for a combat zone, but in an isolated, "civil" situation, I'd like something more accurate, even at the expense of capacity.

Speaking of accuracy, I'm not going to teach my wife to target someone's eyeball. She's going to shoot center of mass. One thing that helps is practicing with an accurate weapon, so you can properly analyze your mistakes, trusting that a tight shot group was achieved on purpose, and that a loose one is the result of mistakes.

I tend to be somewhat of a perfectionist, and require tools that are capable of transmitting all of my skill into a result, rather than being limited by the tool/instrument.
 
Then what is an assault rifle? What makes a rifle an assault rifle? It's looks????:confused:


It's not my law. Do not mistake my recognition of its existence with advocacy of its ramifications.

Read the AWB of '94 for the legal description and qualifiers. Clearly the term "Assault rifle" does exist, is a "real" term, and it has a specific legal meaning, albeit IMO an inflammatory and somewhat arbitrary one.

That the legal definition and term differs from the generally employed military industry terms of "Battle rifle", "Automatic Rifle" "Carbine", Submachine Gun", etc...is somewhat irrelevant, since the term "Assault weapon/rifle" is a rather generic "civilian" term for a military style item.

Not a unique situation; HMMV versus "SUV", Shelter half versus "Tent", poncho liner versus "blanket", Ruck versus "backpack"...
 
I'm surprised that nobody mentioned Kimber. I've always thought they were pretty highly rated.
 
I'm surprised that nobody mentioned Kimber. I've always thought they were pretty highly rated.

I actually have a Kimber stainless TLE/RL II 1911 model, but it has been converted to .460 Rowland and is not really an appropriate "street carry" or "home defense" weapon in that cartridge. It is strictly for protection from big scary animals in the boonies.

It is, however, an excellent pistol.
 
Along with most of the people in this thread, you can not go wrong with a good H&K pistol. There is a reason why most counter terrorist teams in the world choose H&K. Fire an Mp5 full auto, hold a Mark 23, and you'll understand why.
 
quite the cliffhanger mike, wheres the result?

http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/metropolitan/5309288.html

The 61 year old shooter hasn't been charged yet. I doubt a jury in Texas would convict him. I've already seen interviews with the victims' families (:rolleyes: ) proclaiming that the shooting wasn't justified, but thankfully there isn't anyone (i.e. Al or Jesse) claiming racism as a motive.

Personally, I hope the old guy gets off scot-free.

Shotgun. There is no substitute.
 
WOW. I can't believe this. None of you have anything JDM? Maybe Dan at GT-One can help some of you out here. :confused:

Type 89 assault rifle (Japan) from HOWA Machinery Co. for JASDF
Fires the 5.56X45mm NATO rounds.

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From the article...
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For home protection, get a shotgun:

That is - get a shotgun and shoot the right load.
This guy I encountered at work was rather pissed off about his (one) eye being shot out but was really grateful the shooter left him the other one - so he could retaliate of course.

Lesson = shoot a real load - like Mr. Horn, -or - shoot both eyes out. :eek:
 

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That looks like it might have hurt a bit.

The only real job I ever had was a morgue attendant. We had a guy come in who was shot dead by his wife with a shot gun. He was screwing his secretary and she found out about it. The gun she used she bought the day before she killed him. She put the gun right up to his eye and pulled the trigger. The guy looked perfect from the front face view but the entire back of his skull was missing and his head was about half empty. you know the women who did it walked, not a day in jail. What a world. She said he attacked her. It was later proved her knife wounds, she said he attacked her, were self inflicted. They were a very wealthy couple in the NY area where I live.
 
That looks like it might have hurt a bit.

The only real job I ever had was a morgue attendant. We had a guy come in who was shot dead by his wife with a shot gun. He was screwing his secretary and she found out about it. The gun she used she bought the day before she killed him. She put the gun right up to his eye and pulled the trigger. The guy looked perfect from the front face view but the entire back of his skull was missing and his head was about half empty. you know the women who did it walked, not a day in jail. What a world. She said he attacked her. It was later proved her knife wounds, she said he attacked her, were self inflicted. They were a very wealthy couple in the NY area where I live.

.......and Steve swooped in and bought their house on the cheap.:biggrin:
 
.......and Steve swooped in and bought their house on the cheap.:biggrin:

The house they lived in was probably the nicest house on the lake. It was a Spanish villa on the cliff all by itself on many acres with a driveway at least a mile long. I bet it is the nicest place. Now think about the nicest place in your area. Not your neighbor hood, but the house everyone knows to be the nicest with in 30 miles radius. How much is that one worth. the one I am talking about, theirs was only worth 1.5m at the time, this was ~20 years ago.
 
My opinion is probably weak since we dont have a lot of firearms in Australia, but after my visit to AZ i'd have to recommend a .22. Yes, it's a small calibre, but what impressed me is the zero-recoil allows accurate rapid fire. So easy to handle with no training.

Otherwise i'd have to echo the other guys suggesting 9mm's or a mini-gun for home defense.

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We do have a lot of firearms in Australia. My father was in the reserves, lived on a farm for a bit(guns here and there). I think more so the types of fire arms may differ. A cambodian guy i unfortunately knew, drove around with a plethora of shotguns in his boot. A few bike gangs have quite the collection, so i heard:smile:

A friend of my fathers saw my m60? blanks collection (as a kid i wanted a rambo-esque munitions belt) he came over one day with live M60 rounds (around twenty or so). They were confiscated promptly. This guy apparently lived next to a gun range.

I had a major fascination with the uzi and M16 as a kid. Damn A -Team.

Forget guns for home protection. Landmines baby, that's where it's at.:biggrin:
 
Hands down you just cant beat the reliability of a Glock.
I have gone threw glock armor school and the guns are so simple to maintain, are very accurate, have good stopping power and hold lots of bullets.
 
Hands down you just cant beat the reliability of a Glock.
I have gone threw glock armor school and the guns are so simple to maintain, are very accurate, have good stopping power and hold lots of bullets.

It's one of the most perfectly built items in the world IMO. You can NOT get them to stop working. Look up video's on people trying to break them...it's incredible. The 1911 could NEVER do that.
 
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