Did anyone see John Travolta waving the checkered flag? He also presented Kubica with his trophy.
The Official 2010 F1 Megathread
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It's clear that McLaren made a mistake, but that's racing. I wonder why there seem to be subtle adversity by some members here towards Hamilton. He is one of the best, if not the best driver on the grid. F1 need more drivers like him so the masses can see "racing". I doubt Jenson would have done as well if put in the same situation. Alonso and Kubica also did a good job. Alonso coming all the way from the back of the pack to fourth and Kubica obtaining and hanging on to second. Most of us have a favorite driver or drivers and there are all good, but Jenson just got lucky:biggrin:. With that been said, I really feel sorry for Vettel and Sutil.
I don't know about the rest of our F1 fans but personaly I feel that hamo has immense talent,that said he needs to accept fate, accept the frailties of his equipment and in essence mature...That is my own interpretation from my TV set:wink:
Re: Hamo was classless today......er, this weekend
I didn't mean to single you out Jonn. I was only quoting you to highlight the negative comments, same reason I'm quoting White 0650. I really don't think that Hamilton was foolish for questioning his second stop. The argument could be made that he needs to mature but I believe what should really matter is what he does on the track. With that been said, we have all said or done things that we wish we hadn't, especially in the heat of the moment. True he needs to accept faith, but the team made a mistake. Don't mean to start an argument, just stating my observations of this thread:biggrin:.
OK, how about this, he fell into the Tiger trap. Besides his stupid complaints, he was showing off on the street like a punk. As his father is no longer his agent, he's probably not getting the daily guidance he's been used to and therefore he "forgot his roots and how he was raised" yadee, yadee, etc.
On another note, while I've been critical of Jenson WRT self confidence and determination, he looked every bit the champion today. :smile: Just hope this wasn't a "blind squirrel" victory.
Good stuff going on all over the track. :wink:
I didn't mean to single you out Jonn. I was only quoting you to highlight the negative comments, same reason I'm quoting White 0650. I really don't think that Hamilton was foolish for questioning his second stop. The argument could be made that he needs to mature but I believe what should really matter is what he does on the track. With that been said, we have all said or done things that we wish we hadn't, especially in the heat of the moment. True he needs to accept faith, but the team made a mistake. Don't mean to start an argument, just stating my observations of this thread:biggrin:.
Re: A time & place for everything
P.S. Maybe you'd like to get over to Will Buxton's blog and leave your comment there.
Some of us agree with Matchett that publicly flogging your team on the radio when you're supposed to be concentrating on the race is not the right time. And whatever he did on the street the night before that got his car impounded was also ill-timed. That's all we're saying. You think his timing was appropriate and mature?
P.S. Maybe you'd like to get over to Will Buxton's blog and leave your comment there.
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Re: A time & place for everything
You are correct White 0650, his actions were inappropriate and immature. However, it's hard not to notice the negativity or criticism in this thread geared towards Hamilton. I think the drivers should be allowed to state their feelings and he was not using abusive language. I doubt any of us was a model citizen at age 24. As to your reference to Wills blog, I don't believe that Jenson is that much better at managing his tires, compared to any other driver. Alonso also had to work his way through the field and in my opinion his driving style is similar to Hamiltons. I rest my case. Anyhow, I think it's time to critisize Schumi. Getting schooled by Alguersuari and passed by a Virgin, not what one would expect from a seven time world champion in a faster car.
You are correct White 0650, his actions were inappropriate and immature. However, it's hard not to notice the negativity or criticism in this thread geared towards Hamilton. I think the drivers should be allowed to state their feelings and he was not using abusive language. I doubt any of us was a model citizen at age 24. As to your reference to Wills blog, I don't believe that Jenson is that much better at managing his tires, compared to any other driver. Alonso also had to work his way through the field and in my opinion his driving style is similar to Hamiltons. I rest my case. Anyhow, I think it's time to critisize Schumi. Getting schooled by Alguersuari and passed by a Virgin, not what one would expect from a seven time world champion in a faster car.
Re: Welcome to the thread
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Should be a good year and I hope you'll discuss many issues with the same conviction. :wink:
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Should be a good year and I hope you'll discuss many issues with the same conviction. :wink:
Looks like Jenson Button just did that.
He just showed that he can.
I thought ITV lost broadcasting rights to F1 last year? Anyways, I have one invitation to Racing-Underground. It has torrents to all forms of racing, past and present, to include pre-race shows, interviews, practices, quals, etc..
Most races are between 1-2GB in size, some of the HD stuff is 5GB+
Members will usually start uploading the races within an hour or two of the live broadcast.
I'll give the invite code to someone that can download the races and be able to reliably host for the rest of the NSX community.
So does my comment. Button made the call to come in early for slicks. He may not have gone head to head against Hamilton, but he still has what it takes to win, which a lot of people keep saying he doesn't. If Jenson hadn't gone off the track with the slicks, he would have come out ahead of Vettel and lead the race much earlier.
That second stop for Lewis is questionable, but if he hadn't come in for fresh tires, what makes you think he would have come in 2nd or even won the race?
He couldn't get past Alonso on a fresher set of tires. Do you think he would have done much better had he stayed on his older tires?
Faster does not always win races if you use up tires faster as well.
This may be disappointing to those who watch F1 for just lap times, but it's similar to 100 meters freestyle swim race: in order to win, you have to control your strokes to be at just the optimal speed.
Hence Jenson drove at the optimal speed for the race in order to win. That speed is not always the fastest lap time for 3 laps.
Many athletes in the world can produce faster strokes over the short time it takes to cover 100 meters in water, when they do it out of water in a gym on exercise equipment. But far fewer of them can restrain themselves to do those strokes at the optimal speed to win the swim race.
That must be something Jenson's dad has taught him.
Last year, after a race when Ron Dennis was still in charge at MacLaren and they had just won a race in the rain, he told the BBC interviewer:
"oh, we could have gone faster, but the hardest part was to restrain our driver Lewis Hamilton to not go too fast."
Hence a F1 driver has to do both now: produce a fastest lap for qualifying, and drive at the optimal speed to win the race.
I never questioned Buttons ability to win, infact I hope he proves me wrong, but the times don't lie. Neither did I state that Hamilton would have finished first or second. As far as Hamilton not been able to pass Alonso, now that is questioable, but the answer we will never know, thanks to Weber. And yes, I believe Hamilton was more than capable of finishing at least third, if he stayed out on his older tires. I would even speculate that McLaren was afraid of having the beginnings of a Senna/prost battle, hence Hamiltons second stop. Did you see the pass he pulled on Button in the opening laps? I commend Buttons strategy, however in my opinion Hamilton is the faster driver, which is my original point.
I agree well said.
You are quoting the wrong person. I never said that, it was 69XSN that mentioned that.
Cool, and my point is that Jenson does have what it takes to win as he showed us this past weekend and last year.
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You have made some very valid points. However, I don't watch F1 to see who's lapping at the optimal speed or has the best tire strategy, I watch to see a race. Infact on most Sundays, I could care less who wins. Jenson is good at preserving his tires, I applaud that, then again he has been in F1 for some time. At the end of the day F1 is about speed and the faster driver/car usually/should win/s. Again, you are correct but in my opinion Lewis is the better racer of the two, whether he wins or not.
Totally agree, I watch to see a great race (hence the my disappointment with Bore-rain). I like Jenson but, when push comes to shove, Lewis is the better racer (and most entertaining to watch).
Re: What Lewis and Jens need
I think everyone agrees both are talented and capable of winning even though they are quite different in their styles and strengths.
Let me try this out on y'all.
Jens has a good feel for the car and naturally takes care of the equipment, tires obviously first. But as rational and calculating as he can be, he seems a bit too measured and not prone to taking the fight to the competition. As for raw talent (reflexes etc.), he's damn good, but not hall of fame great. And he needs a good car to look good, which fortunately he has now.
Lewis, on the one hand, is all about fire and talent. On the plus side, he can haul a bad car up the grid like Fred and few others can. OTOH, he may likely need to drive a smoother style at times (which he might well be capable of). And he needs to take charge more (and be more aware?) when it comes to the condition of the tires. The consensus seems to be that he threw away the WDC in 2007 when he waited too long to come in for tires and slid into the gravel on the pit lane. The team let him lead on that decision which is why the team took charge and told him to come in last Sunday. They were playing it safe and not about to assume that Bridgestone brought tires that could Hamo could go the distance on.
So, while I tend to think that Hamo has more raw talent than "old man" JB, he's a bit too ballsy right now. In the long run, (as he matures) he'll be acknowledged as the better racer and winner. But unfortunately this week, he's acknowledged as the whiner. :redface:
JMHOICBW.
I think everyone agrees both are talented and capable of winning even though they are quite different in their styles and strengths.
Let me try this out on y'all.
Jens has a good feel for the car and naturally takes care of the equipment, tires obviously first. But as rational and calculating as he can be, he seems a bit too measured and not prone to taking the fight to the competition. As for raw talent (reflexes etc.), he's damn good, but not hall of fame great. And he needs a good car to look good, which fortunately he has now.
Lewis, on the one hand, is all about fire and talent. On the plus side, he can haul a bad car up the grid like Fred and few others can. OTOH, he may likely need to drive a smoother style at times (which he might well be capable of). And he needs to take charge more (and be more aware?) when it comes to the condition of the tires. The consensus seems to be that he threw away the WDC in 2007 when he waited too long to come in for tires and slid into the gravel on the pit lane. The team let him lead on that decision which is why the team took charge and told him to come in last Sunday. They were playing it safe and not about to assume that Bridgestone brought tires that could Hamo could go the distance on.
So, while I tend to think that Hamo has more raw talent than "old man" JB, he's a bit too ballsy right now. In the long run, (as he matures) he'll be acknowledged as the better racer and winner. But unfortunately this week, he's acknowledged as the whiner. :redface:
JMHOICBW.
Australia was a great race and look at all the discussion it has provided. I can only hope the same can be said for Malaysia.
Re: Water will likely be involved
So, with a typical 5 pm rainstorm after a 4 pm start, we should see some water induced chaos this weekend. We'll see if it results in an equally interesting race.
well after last weekend, everyone wants to talk about sprinklers on every track and turned on at random. If that happened, I can imagine it would prolly be controlled by diabolical Bernie.
So, with a typical 5 pm rainstorm after a 4 pm start, we should see some water induced chaos this weekend. We'll see if it results in an equally interesting race.
Quoting http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/82635
"Concerning Webber and Hamilton – their first dry tyres were almost worn out," he said following post-race analysis of their rubber. "They had to do a two-stop."
Hamashima has also revealed that Jenson Button's decision to push on through the race with a single set almost backfired because his tyres were nearly totally worn out when he took the chequered flag.
"Jenson's tread was almost finished," he explained. "It was a very, very dangerous situation for him."
Hamashima reckons that Fernando Alonso was actually the man who did the best job with the tyres – with the rubber on his Ferrari in brilliant shape at the end of the race.
"Fernando Alonso – fantastic! His taking care of tyres was tremendous. Great. Fernando was still looking very good."
Hamashima has also revealed that Jenson Button's decision to push on through the race with a single set almost backfired because his tyres were nearly totally worn out when he took the chequered flag.
"Jenson's tread was almost finished," he explained. "It was a very, very dangerous situation for him."
Hamashima reckons that Fernando Alonso was actually the man who did the best job with the tyres – with the rubber on his Ferrari in brilliant shape at the end of the race.
"Fernando Alonso – fantastic! His taking care of tyres was tremendous. Great. Fernando was still looking very good."
Re: Too much of a good thing?
spoiler: Ken, stop reading now if you haven't seen Q. :biggrin:
Well, I hope Bernie's happy with the Q outcome and the wild chaos/action/tears that will surely come tomorrow with the expected rain. With moderate wetness, it should be a real pass-fest and as crazy exciting as a "Minute to Win it" show.
But if it rains hard and sporadically like today and last year's race, especially on the start and early laps, the hydro-planing, backmarkers and zero viz may prove to be too much for any real racing? IOW, could it all go wrong; from "exciting" to a catastophe that takes out the racers and leaves Senna and Chandhok fighting for a podium? With pitstop roulette and a red flag like last year................hmmmmmm, could happen.
spoiler: Ken, stop reading now if you haven't seen Q. :biggrin:
Well, I hope Bernie's happy with the Q outcome and the wild chaos/action/tears that will surely come tomorrow with the expected rain. With moderate wetness, it should be a real pass-fest and as crazy exciting as a "Minute to Win it" show.
But if it rains hard and sporadically like today and last year's race, especially on the start and early laps, the hydro-planing, backmarkers and zero viz may prove to be too much for any real racing? IOW, could it all go wrong; from "exciting" to a catastophe that takes out the racers and leaves Senna and Chandhok fighting for a podium? With pitstop roulette and a red flag like last year................hmmmmmm, could happen.
Re: Too much of a good thing?
Barring any horrendous weather, the shake up will give us a great race tomorrow. If the weather is like last year than maybe Webber/Vettel will get their first podiums of the season before the RB6 self-destructs.
My Prediction: Adrian Sutil
spoiler: Ken, stop reading now if you haven't seen Q. :biggrin:
Well, I hope Bernie's happy with the Q outcome and the wild chaos/action/tears that will surely come tomorrow with the expected rain. With moderate wetness, it should be a real pass-fest and as crazy exciting as a "Minute to Win it" show.
But if it rains hard and sporadically like today and last year's race, especially on the start and early laps, the hydro-planing, backmarkers and zero viz may prove to be too much for any real racing? IOW, could it all go wrong; from "exciting" to a catastophe that takes out the racers and leaves Senna and Chandhok fighting for a podium? With pitstop roulette and a red flag like last year................hmmmmmm, could happen.
Barring any horrendous weather, the shake up will give us a great race tomorrow. If the weather is like last year than maybe Webber/Vettel will get their first podiums of the season before the RB6 self-destructs.
My Prediction: Adrian Sutil
Racers at the front, racers at the rear. As stated by others here, tomorrow should be very interesting, unless we get too much of the good old rain. I have to admit, that it would be fun to watch Senna and Chandhok fight for a podium. It would be nice to see Senna's HRT last the entire race, maybe he has some of his uncle's magic. Come on rain! But not too much.
Vettel finally gets his due, Sutil holding off Hamilton, Hamilton moving upfield and trading places with Petrov, Button keeping Alonso at bay, HRT putting the pass on a Lotus. Good racing all over the track, and there wasn't any rain! It seems part of the key to a good race is having a shakeup in qualifying. Hopefully the season continues to excite.
