Street Racing

[j.r]

Here is another one for you guys.

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Remember kids, leave this to the Professional Street Racers, do not try this at home.

 

[queenlives]

Really? I was thinking more along the line of these:<snip>

great posters, thx, john.

 

[VampNSXX]

drunk drivers kill more people but I don't see any one saying we should get rid of alcohol. Most of the idiot's who crash are young and stupid. Plus the real street racers never race like that its always one race for alot of money in a place were they are alown. I think its a insult to real street racers to be seen the same way as all the idiot's that are just out there to make fools of themselfs.

 

[j.r]

drunk drivers kill more people but I don't see any one saying we should get rid of alcohol. Most of the idiot's who crash are young and stupid. Plus the real street racers never race like that its always one race for alot of money in a place were they are alown. I think its a insult to real street racers to be seen the same way as all the idiot's that are just out there to make fools of themselfs.

Drunk driving is a crime. What's your point?

 

[BioBanker]

Silver, if your street racing is as safe and great as yourr saying, why dont you strap your son into the passenger seat next time?

If you dont want to do that, ask yourself why you think it is okay to do what you do amongst our sons and daughters.

But before you buckle him up, make sure you tell him "Im a terrible father for risking so much that you rely upon for no apparent reason when I street race as I can end up hurting myself or others, losing my license or a lot of money or I could even go to jail where I would be unable to care for you. It would be wrong for you to think its okay for you to grow up and do this too"

 

[4AU4LIFE]

Silver, if your street racing is as safe and great as yourr saying, why dont you strap your son into the passenger seat next time?

If you dont want to do that, ask yourself why you think it is okay to do what you do amongst our sons and daughters.

But before you buckle him up, make sure you tell him "Im a terrible father for risking so much that you rely upon for no apparent reason when I street race as I can end up hurting myself or others, losing my license or a lot of money or I could even go to jail where I would be unable to care for you. It would be wrong for you to think its okay for you to grow up and do this too"

WOW !!!!!!!!!!!! Well said. *hands clapping*

 

[whiteNSXs]

WOW !!!!!!!!!!!! Well said. *hands clapping*

Thank you, Biobanker.
These idiots who engage in and who defend street racings are probably too dumb to realize that their selfish and meaningless acts are endangering and threatening other people's right of well being, safety, and lives.
Steve

 

[fourringpilot]

But before you buckle him up, make sure you tell him "Im a terrible father for risking so much that you rely upon for no apparent reason when I street race as I can end up hurting myself or others, losing my license or a lot of money or I could even go to jail where I would be unable to care for you. It would be wrong for you to think its okay for you to grow up and do this too"

You must be talking about yourself biobanker. I saw a thread were you asked to meet other prime members for a drink. Driving a rental car in an environment away from home is dangerous enough. Add alcohol to the mix and you have an even greater problem. "Street racing" and driving after consuming alcohol are equally dangerous (drinking is tenfold the accident #s).
I know I have seen Chopsjazz and other members start threads that invite other members to meet them for drinks(even offering to buy the 1st round).
I thing it is terrible that you would invite other members to drink knowing that driving is involved. No one should waste their breath saying they are gonna take a taxi home and leave their NSX/other car in a bar/grill's parking lot.
I have invited to buy drinks for members THAT MEET AT A HOTEL. This is the only way to hope for everyones safety.
I do not get on your threads and post about how dangerous it is to meet for drinks. I do not post statistics or videos of how dangerous drinking and driving is.
Many individuals feel the need to have a screen/iphone in their car. I do not jack their threads with the statistics of how dangerous it is to even talk on regular phone, let alone try to operate an iphone/tv in the car! I have been in two car accidents. In both incdents the driver changed lanes without warning and hit my car because they were talking on the phone (not paying full attention).

Getting on somone's thread and taking over with the same comments "street racing is dangerous", "grow up", "tell your kids how stupid you are", etc. only makes you LOOK like a jerk. Only a handful of of the same members continue to engage in this inrusive behavior and think it is cool or beneficial in some way. Milieu control in a totalist envionment is no fun for anyone. The seeming power that comes from this only divides a congruent thought rather than winning the favor of other member's minds.
Why do this? The same small group want to keep PRIME the way they think it should be. They feel the need to cyberbully/flame anything that they don't like.
Statistics are what they are. There are many on here who are doing something right now that is to the detriment of their family and loved ones. It is not our job to police them.
I have tremendous respect for Biobanker, Chopsjazz, and others who are always willing to help others and add a whole world of insight to this forum, BUT PLEASE REMEMBER that no member wants their thread policed. I just wanted to read what happened quickly instead of 5 pages of everyone ranting about what is right and wrong. Let it be an open forum that stays on topic - in this case "can a turbo NSX beat xxx".:wink:

 

[sivernsx]

On that Response Bio..

You strap you kids in your car and video it while you go do a road coarse race if that is so safe, send it to me or publish it online.
then I will strap my 4 month old son and do the same. For me its just a hard pull on a straight away. something I know you all do when you get a chance.
you guys just dont proclaim to call it street racing. though its all illegal!!
for me its only takes 8 seconds in a straight away from a 50roll to 150.. with no spetators and only one car possibly next to me.
Moreover, more than likely that car I will leave behind so hard the guy will let off within a few seconds like the Rentech.

You guys has got to be the biggest idiots I have ever seen, to even concor of something like this. Your no better than the idiotic kids who ran in the middle of the road who got hit by the car.

Go get a hobby..

for my street racers out there, my video against the bike is still comming up.
up comming events..
Rematch against the viper ( more than confident that we are going to take him this time. )
retweek the tune, and advance the timing by 6 degress
then..
07 Z06 paxton super charged... I believe to have 700rwhp.
Jackson quarter mile run..

thankyou pilot for that fuel..
I believe a better word would be ( hypocrites)

 

[BioBanker]

for me its only takes 8 seconds in a straight away from a 50roll to 150.. with no spetators and only one car possibly next to me.

150 huh, that is pretty fast. A lot faster than I thought that you were talking about. Going 150 on a public road, regardless of whether or not you are "racing" anyone, is dangerous to the public. End of story. That is the type of thing you go to jail for; for good reason.

The easiest way to end this thread is just admit that what you're doing is illegal and dangerous to those around you who are just trying to get from point A to B. I accept that you do the best you can to be isolated of others, but you can never be 100% certain of that.

If you accept that that what you're doing is dangerous to yourself and to innocent people just going about their day, and accept that it is illegal and that you could end up in jail for it, and still do it, none of us have anything to say besides hope that you and those around you make it home safely.

The only reason Ive posted in this thread is because there is an apparent complete lack of understanding that what you are doing is dangerous to others. If you agree that it is, I dont know what to say.

 

[greenberet]

Going 150 on a public road, regardless of whether or not you are "racing" anyone, is dangerous to the public. End of story.

I disagree and just about every owner of a fast car in Germany probably does as well.

 

[docjohn]

I disagree and just about every owner of a fast car in Germany probably does as well.

You are in Europe The autobahn,autostrada whatever,people expect fast cars in the left lane,,Here in the good ol US people don't expect 150 mph speeds by anything on our highways,and are ill prepared to deal with that

 

[whiteNSXs]

Statistics are what they are. There are many on here who are doing something right now that is to the detriment of their family and loved ones. It is not our job to police them.
I have tremendous respect for Biobanker, Chopsjazz, and others who are always willing to help others and add a whole world of insight to this forum, BUT PLEASE REMEMBER that no member wants their thread policed. I just wanted to read what happened quickly instead of 5 pages of everyone ranting about what is right and wrong. Let it be an open forum that stays on topic - in this case "can a turbo NSX beat xxx".:wink:

Then you obviously DON'T know what an open forum is. It is an OPEN forum because it is open to members to post their opinions regardless positive or negative. Everytime someone posts, it is under the understanding that people will respond. If one cannot deal with the reality of an internet forum, then shut up and don't post.
For example, a thread like "what do you think about my new wheels?" will invite approvals and the opposites.
Threads with activities that inherently carry moral, ethical, legal issues will certainly generate a lot of discussions. Again if one cannot chuck all the negative responses, yes again, shut the hell up and don't post. It is just that simple.
Lame threads such as "how to cheat for my wife", "I will pay you to write my English paper", "thinking about putting 24 inchers on the NSX", "Idiot street racing", "idiot street racing pretending to be on the race track", "pedophile's way to earn a sport car" will certainly invite opponents' posts.
Yes, there are people that are doing things right now that are detrimental to their families and loved ones. But no one on Prime will give them grieves as long as they don't post their activities on an OPEN FORUM. If they were to post those activities, get ready to get blasted.
To many, street racings are cowardly, illegal, dangerous, irresponsible, selfish. Quoting myself again, "these idiots who engage in and who defend street racings are probably too dumb to realize that their selfish and meaningless acts are endangering and threatening other people's right of well being, safety, and lives." If one thinks one's existence is so meaningless that one doesn't mind dying for stupid street racing, then it reflects how low one's self-esteem and how disrespectful one is towards other people's lives. Anyone can comment on street racing. Last time I checked, it is illegal. You post it again, people will tell you their opinions. You post about another illegal activity, people will tell you wrong again. You cannot handle the negative post, shut up and don't post on an OPEN FORUM.
Yes, PRIME is an OPEN FORUM. I can tell you my disapprovals of your illegal activities, but you cannot tell me that I could not write them.
So who is policing whom?
Steve

 

[ChopsJazz]

I know I have seen Chopsjazz and other members start threads that invite other members to meet them for drinks(even offering to buy the 1st round).
I thing it is terrible that you would invite other members to drink knowing that driving is involved.
I have tremendous respect for Biobanker, Chopsjazz, and others who are always willing to help others and add a whole world of insight to this forum,

Fourring, I am glad you respect some of us for our insight and willingness to help others, but we may also have some insight that you may not agree with. Just because you don't agree does not mean that we are wrong. If this is the thread that you are referring to about which I offered to buy drinks, I think you should think about the context in which the drinks were offered. It was, if fact, my birthday celebration at a world-famous car show. I figure that a lunch-time glass of champagne is pretty benign in that almost everyone will stay the entire afternoon. Also, we are all adults and can judge for ourselves when and where we've had too much to drink.

Does my drinking justify your street racing?

 

[BioBanker]

i didnt bother responding to that post Chops because it was rediculus and didnt warrant a response.

 

[BioBanker]

and driving 150 in Europe where it is perfectly legal is very different.

People who are on those roads make the decision to be amongst fast cars. Try driving 150 (250ish kph) in a 100 kph zone in Europe and then tell me that is perfectly safe.

 

[LJSB]

I keep telling you. You're wasting your time.
The site administrator has no problem with threads like these so you must live with it being here.
Outside of that, I suggest you leave it to the discretion of the Police and if they are caught and summoned, the courts.

 

[sivernsx]

Bio, and other anti-street racing prime members.
I never sad what I was doing was right, or legal.
I know its dangerous.
Thats why I do my best to Isolate ourselves when we
do this type of activity.

But to me, may be just me.. Drinking and driving is by far
worst than street racing.

Again, I would hope you all will have better judgement
when you do drink. ( like myself when i do race )
In the heat of the moment on this forum at times, we do say things that are vulgar.
anyone can kick dirt on the other person.
Don't you guys think your taking this a little too far?

I am not here to kick dirt. hell, If you guys were closer
I would be the one offering the first round of drinks.

 

[BioBanker]

great silver, we agree on a few things!That drinking and driving is bad, so is street racing; and that drinking while street racing is worse.

I do none of them.

You?

 

[BioBanker]

I keep telling you. You're wasting your time.
The site administrator has no problem with threads like these so you must live with it being here.
Outside of that, I suggest you leave it to the discretion of the Police and if they are caught and summoned, the courts.

Can't wait to see you at Est Fest Joe!

And all you street racers who are also nsxca members are invited too! It is going to be a riot! See the Canadian forum for more info. If you're in the US and not yet members of NSXCA, what's takin ya? Eh?

 

[LJSB]

But to me, may be just me.. Drinking and driving is by far
worst than street racing.

Again, I would hope you all will have better judgment
when you do drink. ( like myself when i do race )

Ok let's do the math.
Drinking and driving: stupid
Street racing:Stupid

Now you propose:

Street racing (-) drinking and driving = 0 (ok)
or
stupid - stupid = o

So what you're doing is ok.

Now if you factor in all the other things you think are much worse like :

"ax murderers, serial killers and rapist" which you are not, when added to the above would make you a +3. A positive or a "good person".

What illegal things you don't do (ax murder, serial killing and rape, drinking and driving) balances what illegal things you do, like street racing. The way I see it you are entitled to do at least three more illegal things and consider them ok before you use up all the bad things you don't do that you feel are worse.

It's starting to make sense to me.

 

[BioBanker]

I never sad what I was doing was right, or legal.
I know its dangerous.

We are making great progress today! Im very pleased.

Now, we can end this right here and right now if you tell me whom you believe that "it is dangerous" extends to. Im sure you will say yourself and your racee (I dont know the lingo, is it racee?) but can you agree that it is also dangerous to those who MAY be on the road with you?


A YES ends this discussion at my end.

 

[greenberet]

Quoting myself again, "these idiots who engage in and who defend street racings are probably too dumb to realize that their selfish and meaningless acts are endangering and threatening other people's right of well being, safety, and lives." If one thinks one's existence is so meaningless that one doesn't mind dying for stupid street racing, then it reflects how low one's self-esteem and how disrespectful one is towards other people's lives.

The attached poster commemorates Porsche's win at the 1970 Targa Florio - a street race. I never thought of Jo Siffert or Brian Redman as dumb, selfish, disrespectful idiots with low self-esteem. If that characterization applies to all who engage in street racing, maybe I should rethink my opinion of them.

Yes, driving at 10/10ths through crowds of people was dangerous and everybody is entitled to pass their own judgment on Siffert's and Redman's moral fiber for even participating in the race. And in an open forum everyone can state their opinions. But how often do you need to insult someone and how often do you need to say you disapprove of someone's actions in the same thread?

We've already stated our opinions. Let's stop hijacking this thread.

 

[whiteNSXs]

The attached poster commemorates Porsche's win at the 1970 Targa Florio - a street race. I never thought of Jo Siffert or Brian Redman as dumb, selfish, disrespectful idiots with low self-esteem. If that characterization applies to all who engage in street racing, maybe I should rethink my opinion of them.

Yes, driving at 10/10ths through crowds of people was dangerous and everybody is entitled to pass their own judgment on Siffert's and Redman's moral fiber for even participating in the race. And in an open forum everyone can state their opinions. But how often do you need to insult someone and how often do you need to say you disapprove of someone's actions in the same thread?

We've already stated our opinions. Let's stop hijacking this thread.

Is that your best comeback?
So Monte Carlo F1 is street racing by your definition? Senna, Stirling Moss and Schumacher were just winning a few "street races" in Monaco?
Using the Targa Florio as an excuse to validate street racing is just absurd and further proved my statement. Are you just playing dumb or you truly believe Targa is the same kind of "street racing" we are discussing here? Just because an officially organized and approved race involves street course DOES NOT make it "street racing."
Steve

 

[greenberet]

Is that your best comeback?
So Monte Carlo F1 is street racing by your definition? Senna, Stirling Moss and Schumacher were just winning a few "street races" in Monaco?
Using the Targa Florio as an excuse to validate street racing is just absurd and further proved my statement. Are you just playing dumb or you truly believe Targa is the same kind of "street racing" we are discussing here? Just because an officially organized and approved race involves street course DOES NOT make it "street racing."
Steve

No, I do not consider F1 racing in Monte Carlo to be street racing. The spectators are protected by guardrails, fences, etc. At modern racing tracks there are even runoff zones.

At the Targa Florio the spectators were protected by nothing. They crowded right to the edge of the street within inches of the ideal line. If a race driver drifted off the street at the exit of a turn, people died if they didn't jump away quickly enough. It was pretty much as dangerous as drifting around a corner at top speed in a school zone. Was it an officially sanctioned street race, yes. Was it as dangerous as any illegal street race, yes as well.

Racing drivers endanger their own lives and those of others every time they go to work. Spectators still die at officially sanctioned events even though precautions are taken to reduce the risks. Is it OK to hold officially sanctioned races even if we know that people will die at them? If you're against people dying at races, you should be against all races. If you're not against all races, you should be against those at which adequate precautions aren't taken to protect lives.

How many precautions must be taken before the risk level is acceptable for you is a grey area that changes over time. The only way to completely protect the lives of racing drivers is by not holding races. The only way to completely protect the lives of spectators is by not allowing them to be present. If you allow spectators to be present, some will be killed even if there are guardrails and fences. In the past, bright and honorable people organized officially sanctioned races without any protection for the spectators. Even today, there are vast differences in the safety precautions taken at F1 events and at other officially sanctioned events.

Saying street racing is bad and officially sanctioned events are good is an easy way to see things that doesn't require any thinking. You leave the thinking to whoever sanctioned the event, implicitly accept the level of risk they currently think is OK, and don't allow that an unsanctioned event could maybe have the same level of risk. If you say a certain street race was too dangerous, hey, I’m almost certain to agree with you. But saying that every race that isn’t sanctioned is too dangerous is too much of a blanket condemnation. But that's my opinion and it's fine if someone else sees it differently.

If someone thinks race car drivers are childish and stupid because they enjoy driving around in a circle as fast as they can and because they derive some kind of Neanderthal ego gratification from doing so faster than the next guy, all the while endangering themselves and others and harming the environment, fine. If they tell the race car drivers, fine. It's a free, er, internet. But they don't need to keep telling the race car drivers again and again and again.

But I've spent far too much time on this and I need to get to the garage to do some wrenching on my NSX. So much for not hijacking this thread!