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The thing is Danny, despite anything we do, this will all sort itself out. Some will be turned off by Ross, and won't buy any more because of how he speaks or whatever, and some won't. Some will like Chris's products, and some won't. You see even a 60% trader rating for Dali doesn't stop a lot of people. He sells, despite this overwhelming amount of stuff you read on the forum. So although it may seem like our opinions or comments are a big determining factor affecting vendors, they really aren't.

If I was buying a turbo, I'd have detailed conversations with SOS, STMPO, Cody, Angus, Autowave, everybody. Then I'd make a decision. I think you are concerned that somehow Ross points something out and you feel that will hurt another vendor. Really??? I mean are people that dumb that they can't judge a product or a company on their own? I think you need to give more credit to people. Do we really need to "protect" vendors?

The economy will determine whether they stay or go. If there were 10 NSX's in this world, then there would be no SOS. If there were triple the size, we may have triple the number of vendors. Our ranting here won't make anyone stay or leave. Believe me. Money is what determines that.

I say let the ranting go on. Let Ross or anyone else say whatever they want. Let people vote, complain, praise, point fingers, stay quiet, speak their mind, whine. Put it ALL out there and it will sort itself all out. I am totally against any sort of censorship/protection.

Hi Dave,

No need for censorship/protection, just voicing out what you find yourself doing at your own business-sequestering your talented employee to the back. Are you "censoring/protecting" your business, your customers, or both?

I agree that emotion and passion are great characteristics if properly applied and channeled yet not every person who subsequently disagrees is a "less than ideal" customer, let alone a "naysayer" or "key board junkie". I "get" that he is talented, passionate and emotional, but he also comes across as being extremely narcissistic and paranoid with a messianic complex and a bad habit. His self proclaimed role as the NSX aftermarket messiah is literally "exhausting" and his personal crusade against SOS is laughable and sad. His methods serve no purpose except to encourage further hostility. Frankly, I am amazed at Chris's composure up to this point.

An earlier poster correctly stated that the NSX resale market has resulted in a lower income/age demographic of Prime members (although he subsequently drew the wrong conclusion). Unfortunately, this type of conduct may be the trend, but that doesn't mean one shouldn't attempt to correct it.

Best Regards,

Danny
 
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My point is right in line with this... De Beers Slogan is

In 1947, De Beers' ad agency came up with the massively successful slogan "A diamond is forever,"
I don't know if I'd want to associate one of the most evil companies of the last century with my philosophy.
 
I don't know if I'd want to associate one of the most evil companies of the last century with my philosophy.

What would be a good analogy for a company that had no competition and in turn..

sells Integra parts as if they were supposed to be in the NSX
Sells SOS head gaskets but doesn’t make them
Sells coolant tanks that crack... they know they crack.. but they continue to sell them
Uses b16 head studs and calls them "custom made"

Sounds like SOS is forever.... so is communism in China

Regards
 
What would be a good analogy for a company that had no competition and in turn..

sells Integra parts as if they were supposed to be in the NSX
Sells SOS head gaskets but doesn’t make them
Sells coolant tanks that crack... they know they crack.. but they continue to sell them
Uses b16 head studs and calls them "custom made"

Sounds like SOS is forever.... so is communism in China

Regards

This is not correct. No matter how many times you repeat yourself, and I correct you with facts, apparently will not make a difference. Regardless, I'll do so again.

- The ARP head studs we sell for the NSX are NOT B16 studs. The reason you can not find them in the ARP catalog, which is I assume why you keep trying to repeat this, is that they are a custom made part. Custom made parts are not catalog parts. The head stud we use has the proper overall length for proper thread engagement. The B16 stud is 7.1" long, our stud is 7.255" long. This extra length is important, it allows the stud to fully engage the threads in the block and have sufficient available thread for the washer and nut. Custom made parts cost us about 30% more than a similar catalog part despite being required to purchase batches of significant quantity.

- You keep referring to our coolant tank as somehow defective. We have sold, over the past 7 years, nearly 300 units. In these units, we have had 2 failures, which were from our first small batch of units 7 years ago that did not have proper weld penetration. Since then, those units were fixed or replaced, and the welding process was changed including new quality assurance inspection. I assume you keep bringing this up to promote your new product. If the tank which you bought used, and cut up to disect, had a problem, you should have brought this to our attention.

- The head gaskets we sell are made by Cometic, just as many parts we sell are made by other companies. This part is branded under our company name because the gasket was made to our specification almost five years ago. This part exists because we pursued getting it made.

- I assume by "Integra parts" you mean the LMA kit we sell you keep bringing up? This part IS a NSX part. It is used in the 2000-2005 NSX. We make a precision stainless steel shim that is ground to .001" tolerance. Not a "washer from Home Depot" that you keep referring to. This shim allows the coil spring to sit with the proper install height for 1991-1999 NSX which have a different counterbore in the cylinder head for the LMA.

Continuing to try to derail our products with inaccurate information is sad. Your attention would be better served in focusing on your own business - compete for this marketplace through innovation, competitive pricing, and a high customer service standard.

regards,
-- Chris
 
This is not correct. No matter how many times you repeat yourself, and I correct you with facts, apparently will not make a difference. Regardless, I'll do so again.

- The ARP head studs we sell for the NSX are NOT B16 studs. The reason you can not find them in the ARP catalog, which is I assume why you keep trying to repeat this, is that they are a custom made part. Custom made parts are not catalog parts. The head stud we use has the proper overall length for proper thread engagement. The B16 stud is 7.1" long, our stud is 7.255" long. This extra length is important, it allows the stud to fully engage the threads in the block and have sufficient available thread for the washer and nut. Custom made parts cost us about 30% more than a similar catalog part despite being required to purchase batches of significant quantity.

- You keep referring to our coolant tank as somehow defective. We have sold, over the past 7 years, nearly 300 units. In these units, we have had 2 failures, which were from our first small batch of units 7 years ago that did not have proper weld penetration. Since then, those units were fixed or replaced, and the welding process was changed including new quality assurance inspection. I assume you keep bringing this up to promote your new product. If the tank which you bought used, and cut up to disect, had a problem, you should have brought this to our attention.

- The head gaskets we sell are made by Cometic, just as many parts we sell are made by other companies. This part is branded under our company name because the gasket was made to our specification almost five years ago. This part exists because we pursued getting it made.

- I assume by "Integra parts" you mean the LMA kit we sell you keep bringing up? This part IS a NSX part. It is used in the 2000-2005 NSX. We make a precision stainless steel shim that is ground to .001" tolerance. Not a "washer from Home Depot" that you keep referring to. This shim allows the coil spring to sit with the proper install height for 1991-1999 NSX which have a different counterbore in the cylinder head for the LMA.

Continuing to try to derail our products with inaccurate information is sad. Your attention would be better served in focusing on your own business - compete for this marketplace through innovation, competitive pricing, and a high customer service standard.

regards,
-- Chris


Chris,

A smart guy like you used the word 'assumed' a lot.....

Head studs... I'm not looking in the ARP catalog dude... Like Cody said.. b16 head studs work... so now NSX owners know they can save money. I'll bet a different b series has the 1/8" of an inch clearance then… but my point has been made.

Coolant Tanks... 2 broke in 7 years.. out of 300. First batch only... OK.. Well.. two of mine broke...were not in the first batch and I have a car that came in with a broken one.. so now we have 5. The site glass keeps getting re-designed.. so there was another problem... again not mentioned.

Three years of development is what your website references... 7 years of sales and your still changing the design per your newsletter. 3 doesn’t equal 7.

Hopefully someone will start a thread and we can find out how many actually did break. Starting with the already confirmed number of 5.

If you read the pdf from our hired engineer... you would realize that someone who specializes in stress testing commented on seam welding tolerances. And how a seam weld cannot take the prolonged abuse of engine starts or constant psi levels while the car is running.

LMA's... Thank you for letting the public know these are not the correct replacement part. An honest business man would change his description on his website. I assumed Integra just as you assumed where my info is coming from... but the goal has been obtained... the part is not a replacement from the factory for NA1 NSX…

Why don’t you just describe that you 'innovated' a washer to use 2000-2005 LMA's for NA cars. Let people know that the wrong part is going in the car's motor. Why do you think I keep referencing lies.. liar… People should be able to decide on their own if they want to replace parts with other parts not made for the application.

Another problem you have is this constant cutting of corners... let's move on to your oil cooler... When you were at Home Depot getting washers for your LMA's... you picked up brass male fittings to screw into an aluminum oil cooler. Brass fittings are cheap and AN fittings solved this problem.. but are exspensive.

The brass is not only stronger than the aluminum female threads.. but the corrosion binds them together. A cost cutting technique that only effects the end user... and it takes time for the user to be effected.

Your attention would be better served in focusing on your own business - compete for this marketplace through innovation, competitive pricing, and a high customer service standard.

innovation - I have evolved the car

competitive pricing - All my prices are still lower than the competing product... which they all outperform

high customer service standard - 60 out of 61... you think I could keep my doors open with that rating.... but there must be another variable effecting it... hhhhhmmmmmmmmm

Givin you 5... hit around to the backside of the hand... followed by a knuckle pound... then blow it up,
 
Ross, with your constant slandering, it appears you may be heading towards losing your option of closing your doors as a legal verdict may be in your future.
 
Ross, with your constant slandering, it appears you may be heading towards losing your option of closing your doors as a legal verdict may be in your future.

Nope.. a new car platform is in my future... doors are wide open at this point.

I will leave here with the truth being told... I hate my favorate car because of the communism associated with modding it.

Regards
 
Does that mean you'll be buying the car you'll be working on???

Stephen

Actually... no

I will be building parts for a car I can't stand. The car has one major problem and were gonna fix it. I think I will be more profitable when I don't love the car.

Givin you 5... hit around to the backside of the hand... followed by a knuckle pound... then blow it up,
 
I don't know why I keep reading this thread... it's like when milk is sour, and you know it's bad, but you have to smell it anyway... LOL...

I also have no idea what an LMA is. I don't really care, just want to make sure my rollbar is coming along along Ross!!! :wink:
 
I don't know why I keep reading this thread... it's like when milk is sour, and you know it's bad, but you have to smell it anyway... LOL...

I also have no idea what an LMA is. I don't really care, just want to make sure my rollbar is coming along along Ross!!! :wink:

LMA stands for lost motion assembly. I read some things no prime awhile ago stating that it's the cause for our engine sounding like a sewing machine...

But I have no idea what it does...

Stephen
 
The lost motion assembly is a spring device that puts pre-load on the center VTEC rocker when it is in the unlocked position (when not in VTEC mode).

The earlier design was a piston based design lubricated by engine oil. With time, contaminants gall the inner walls of the piston and junk gets deposited, which causes the piston to seize under compression. With out pre-load of the LMA, the VTEC rocker rattles around or the LMA uncompresses when it shouldn't striking the VTEC rocker making a tapping sound.

Honda transitioned to a coil spring in the later NSX and many Honda engines starting in the late 90's / early 2000's which is a more durable design. The pad on the coil spring is also larger, which is ideal for high lift cams which will change the geometry of the rocker's contact with the LMA.

Our product converts the early cylinder head to accept the newer coil spring. Last I checked, this kit is about 1/3 - 1/2 of the cost from Honda for the earlier design.

-- Chris
 
The lost motion assembly is a spring device that puts pre-load on the center VTEC rocker when it is in the unlocked position (when not in VTEC mode).

The earlier design was a piston based design lubricated by engine oil. With time, contaminants gall the inner walls of the piston and junk gets deposited, which causes the piston to seize under compression. With out pre-load of the LMA, the VTEC rocker rattles around or the LMA uncompresses when it shouldn't striking the VTEC rocker making a tapping sound.

Honda transitioned to a coil spring in the later NSX and many Honda engines starting in the late 90's / early 2000's which is a more durable design. The pad on the coil spring is also larger, which is ideal for high lift cams which will change the geometry of the rocker's contact with the LMA.

Our product converts the early cylinder head to accept the newer coil spring. Last I checked, this kit is about 1/3 - 1/2 of the cost from Honda for the earlier design.

-- Chris

Thanks for the info. Thank God.... finally a part that I don't need. hahaha
 
As a new member I know my opinion has minimal relevance to the situation but I will say that I am part of the group of new owners and potential customers for the vendors discussed earlier, aka, the youth since the reduction in vehicle pricing.

I was just on your website last night Ross adding things to my wish list as I have been very impressed with your work.

Wont get into the conflict since its really none of my business but I will say that I feel sorry for all those new and future owners like myself that wont have the benefit of owning STMPO products.

We will be taking a huge hit from this which sucks but unfortunately I have to agree that keeping the doors open on your business is the best route to take right now.

Hope all goes well with your future investments and maybe we will have the opportunity to do business one day.
 
The lost motion assembly is a spring device that puts pre-load on the center VTEC rocker when it is in the unlocked position (when not in VTEC mode).

The earlier design was a piston based design lubricated by engine oil. With time, contaminants gall the inner walls of the piston and junk gets deposited, which causes the piston to seize under compression. With out pre-load of the LMA, the VTEC rocker rattles around or the LMA uncompresses when it shouldn't striking the VTEC rocker making a tapping sound.

Honda transitioned to a coil spring in the later NSX and many Honda engines starting in the late 90's / early 2000's which is a more durable design. The pad on the coil spring is also larger, which is ideal for high lift cams which will change the geometry of the rocker's contact with the LMA.

Our product converts the early cylinder head to accept the newer coil spring. Last I checked, this kit is about 1/3 - 1/2 of the cost from Honda for the earlier design.

-- Chris

So... what your saying is...... that could be paragraph 2 on your website... right after you explain it's not the factory 91-94 part.

Which would put you on the side of... I am knowlegable and I am telling the truth.

You keep asking me what my problem with you and SOS is... you just hit the nail on the head.

Pretend you didnt know about cars... read your LMA description on your website... then read your 2 posts here... You wouldnt be a confused buyer... now would you.

I'm the guy that talks to people after they have hit "buy it now" off your website. I'm sick of explaining to them... no ... you didnt have to take LMA's with only 4k miles off your car...



-- Ross
 
This is not correct. No matter how many times you repeat yourself, and I correct you with facts, apparently will not make a difference. Regardless, I'll do so again.

- You keep referring to our coolant tank as somehow defective. We have sold, over the past 7 years, nearly 300 units. In these units, we have had 2 failures, which were from our first small batch of units 7 years ago that did not have proper weld penetration. Since then, those units were fixed or replaced, and the welding process was changed including new quality assurance inspection. I assume you keep bringing this up to promote your new product. If the tank which you bought used, and cut up to disect, had a problem, you should have brought this to our attention.


Continuing to try to derail our products with inaccurate information is sad. Your attention would be better served in focusing on your own business - compete for this marketplace through innovation, competitive pricing, and a high customer service standard.

regards,
-- Chris


Knowledge... Part 1... continued

Call this another attempt at derailing your products and repeating myself... but I call this the truth...

NSX owner called me yesterday.... he said.. Ross... I have to tell you a story. "I met Chris in Ohio back in 2007.. introduced him to another friend of mine and we chatted a bit... my friend walked Chris over to his NSX and asked...

I have noticed coolant leaking from my tank... what do you suggest I do?"

Your answer to a paying customer of yours was... "you should'nt have a problem finding someone to weld that thing back together."

in 2007... with 300 sales since 2003.. we have found another cracked tank.. also brought to your attention... also not in the first batch.

Current confirmed cracked to sold SOS coolant tank ratio 6/300

Your thoughts,

Regards, Cheers, Givin you 5... hit around to the backside of the hand... followed by a knuckle pound... then blow it up,
 
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WOW.

I can't even begin to tell you how many of my local NSX buddies have told me about this thread.

From my consumer of view, all I'm interested in are good products (that I need) at a good price.

I've dealt with people like Ross and Chris and I'm cool with them and folks that have characters like them.

There really aren't that many good NSX vendors. certainly less than a handful that are creative and design and make products for the NSX.

With that being said I like to see both guys flourishing.

Too bad they have to be in AZ, not CA where most of the NSX owners are.
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With that being said I like to see both guys flourishing.

Too bad they have to be in AZ, not CA where most of the NSX owners are.
:biggrin:

Yeah if STMPO was close by my car would probably be in pieces in his shop right now. :cool:
 
Some of you who have been following the STMPO/SOS thread have probably read posts by a few individuals who have been critical of my not "sharing" with this community. I have been modifying my 1992 since 1993 and some of my parts have trickled into this community. The Cantrell CAI and the RPS single and dual carbon clutch being two of the better known products either directly copied or my car serving as the test mule for the development of the product. I have shunned away from profiting from my endeavors as this has always been a labor of love and I never wanted the encumberance of product liability to take away from my cherished hobby. Be that as it may, here is my first offering to the community. It is simple and very easy to make. Lightweight Aluminum rear bumper beam. I have had one on the front and rear of my car since 2000. Material cost is about $35-$50 per piece (20 ft 3" Square T-6061 structural Aluminum tube with 1/8" wall thickness costs about $150-can get 4 or 5 pieces each) and I am preparing 8-10 pieces in this initial offering. I will check with my welder what he will charge me to weld a 1" square tube for the license plate mount (or I will simply bolt that on). Final weight should be less than 9 lbs.

Please know that none of this has ever been crash tested so I make no claim as to the functionality of the piece in such an event. The OEM beams (steel and Al) were designed to compress and tie the two frame rails in the event of higher energy impacts beyond the 5 mph styrofoam inserts (you can retain those with this beam. My guess is that $60 plus shipping will get you a direct bolt on unit with instruction-far less than the other vendor's Al beam, even before he artificially inflated his prices in retaliation. 3 have already been spoken for, PM me if you are interested.

Will offer a triangulated rear strut bar for non-targa NSXs next.

Best Regards,

Danny


Wow just Wow after reading all of this thread from the front to the back I have never seen such a disrespectful NSX owner, its one thing to hate Ross and feel the need to voice your oversized opinion at every post made by Ross/STMPO. But now just to really try to get under the STMPO skin you feel the need to make parts and sell them for less just to be an A-HOLE, you seem to forget and not even understand what it takes to keep a shop open and sell parts. OVERHEAD yeah thats right Lease payment $5000-6000 a month, Water, Electricity, Technicians $18-30 per hour, website, the list can go on and on, but that means nothing to you Danny it's all about you getting in that last word. I don't think for one second that Chris/SOS needs you to stick up for him he is a grown ass man and has the abilty and knowledge to post back after Ross makes any statements or comments, it is after all between Stmpo and SOS right. So anybody that wants to support an NSX Vendor please do it is really good for the community, despite what Chris or Ross have said the parts will speak for themselves, it is up to the NSX owner to make that decision on who they should buy from and why. I don't know you Danny but I do know people that do know you and I think you should really look at how childish you have become because of a simple thread between 2 vendors. Good luck with your Cheap parts and I hope you sleep good at night with your $60 bucks, I'm sure the tech's and employee's at STMPO will appreciate your efforts. :mad:

Danny's personal crusade against STMPO is laughable and sad. His methods serve no purpose except to encourage further hostility. Frankly, I am amazed at Ross's composure up to this point.
 
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As a relative newcomer to NSX Prime (I was here in the past when I owned my 2001 & am now back with a 1997 CTSC) I clicked on this link as I did with a bunch of others when I was first learning my way around the forum.

This thread has turned out to be simply sad. Out of some morbid curiosity about once a week I'll click back onto it whenever a new post pops up but usually I just overlook it.

All's I can say is that it is too bad the moderators haven't locked it. It is valid to verbalize discontent with a vendor but this thing has become so vile it is only serving the same usefulness now as watching a Jerry Springer re-run : cheap entertainment at the cost of the respect for others.

Pretty unfortunate. Certainly deters me from becoming very active in this venue at all. :frown:
 
Danny's personal crusade against STMPO is laughable and sad. His methods serve no purpose except to encourage further hostility. Frankly, I am amazed at Ross's composure up to this point.

Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery, so THANKS!

Best Regards,

Danny
 
Is there really more to be said here?

Who wants this thread closed, raise your hand...

Caustic- *raises hand*
 
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