CPete said:
C'mon now, if anyone knows what an NSX is, I'm sure he can tell the difference between A6 and A8
Run against a Audi A8
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C'mon now, if anyone knows what an NSX is, I'm sure he can tell the difference between A6 and A8
I had read this 4 times now, and I think some of us missing an important thing there...
Maybe he shifted a little longer than the Audi's Automatic?? I'm sorry, no offence.
Entry Speed, Race Line, Apex, Exit speed. If the guy knows how to drive and used every inch of the road, and just so happne that Rexer didn't drive the same line...... No offense Rexer, the Audi could leave him in the dust with no problem.
Well, Weight plays a very big factor on car's dynamic at ALL speed. However, when it get up to 100 mphs over, the gearing and the aerodynamic could overcome the weight advantage of 2 rival cars.
When it comes to 2 such capable cars, it is the driving skill that matters the most. I am sure with an Integra, Ken Sax will still smoke me in that run. Better yet, Gary Milgrom can probably blow me away in his CRX too. I have never raced on the street since I'll never know the skill level of the other driver and most importantly I don't want to put myself or anyone in danger in such meaningless and worthless contest. Beating some grandmas on the street proves absolutely nothing much less losing to them. Go to a race track if you really want to race someone good.
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NSXDreamer2 said:
Not really true. Here are two examples why:
#1-A Boeing 777 will take off around 185 mph and it weighs 306,500lb empty (535,000lb max). At the moment of take-off its own weight is offset by the aerodynamics (i.e. wings create lift).
#2-On a race car like a Formula 1, the amount of downforce created at speed above 120 mph equals 2.5 times the weight of the car making it in theory capable of running on the ceiling of a tunnel. Also, this means the vehicle at those speeds weighs 2.5 times what it weighs when parked.
Bottom line, weight is an very important parameter for off the line performance, handling, braking... As the speeds increase however, the weight is not the primary parameter: it's Aerodynamics, and their importance increase at the square of the speed.
I guess we are both saying the same thing, however what you stated could be misleading. I would have rather seen written that
"weight plays a very big factor on car's dynamic at low speeds, and its importance becomes lesser as the speed increases."
apapada, I liked what you just said, I seem to forget about the Aerodynamic stuff because most of us in the US, (even those who track frequently) sees speed over 150mph... Particularly in my situaton, after I got the nsx, I spent most of my time driving under 65 mph.... 
However, relating that to the Audi S8 vs NSX, I can hardly see any of the aerodynamic advantage the audi had over the nsx.
Regarding the Downforce as related to the Weight of the car, please remember, no matter how much downforce the car generated, The engine is pushing the "weight" of the sum of Downforce, Drag (air and road/tire), the car's actual weight. Your Boeing 777 is a "good example" to throw me off but it's been decade that any new car will have anything to make the car take off like a 777.
I'll say, Downforce nowadays is very common on race cars but still only very little of the designs had been used aggresively on road cars. (R34, Ferrari 360 is the exception)
When we talked about the High Speed driving, the Drag is the more important factor.
However, relating that to the Audi S8 vs NSX, I can hardly see any of the aerodynamic advantage the audi had over the nsx.
Regarding the Downforce as related to the Weight of the car, please remember, no matter how much downforce the car generated, The engine is pushing the "weight" of the sum of Downforce, Drag (air and road/tire), the car's actual weight. Your Boeing 777 is a "good example" to throw me off but it's been decade that any new car will have anything to make the car take off like a 777.
I'll say, Downforce nowadays is very common on race cars but still only very little of the designs had been used aggresively on road cars. (R34, Ferrari 360 is the exception)
When we talked about the High Speed driving, the Drag is the more important factor.
I just think the statement got worded wrong. Weight doesn't have much of an affect on top speed but has a big impact on how fast you get their. At top speed aerodynamic drag is usually the limiting factor.
It just sounds to me like its time for the NSX to see some boost. 
96-EJ6 said:It just sounds to me like its time for the NSX to see some boost.
amen!
apapada said:I'm repeating myself here but for those who missed it, here it goes again:
Don't forget those Wood trims and more leathers and chrome...
How come nobody asked Rexer what gear he was in when he mashed it as well as what speed they were initially traveling at?
If you are cruising around at 30 mph in 3rd gear and you mash it, our NSX is a dog and won't even get going until the rpm's get above 6K. Then it screams all the way to 8K where you should be shifting at.
I also had a 2000 Audi S4 with a chip and exhaust and my NSX is actually faster. I never had my S4 running at 100% because there was some type of boost or exhaust leak which I couldn't figure out. Anyway, I do love the S4 as an everyday car but wouldn't hesitate to get rid of it if I had to choose between the two.
As for an A8, I find it hard to believe that anyone would add NOS to it. But I guess you never know. The RS6 is awesome but if I had to spend that much money, I would buy the E55 as that car is even faster. Just look at their 1/4 mile times and mph's.
Just have to start saving my peanuts and shell out for a used 2004 E55 in a few years after the original owner takes the depreciation hit.
If you are cruising around at 30 mph in 3rd gear and you mash it, our NSX is a dog and won't even get going until the rpm's get above 6K. Then it screams all the way to 8K where you should be shifting at.
I also had a 2000 Audi S4 with a chip and exhaust and my NSX is actually faster. I never had my S4 running at 100% because there was some type of boost or exhaust leak which I couldn't figure out. Anyway, I do love the S4 as an everyday car but wouldn't hesitate to get rid of it if I had to choose between the two.
As for an A8, I find it hard to believe that anyone would add NOS to it. But I guess you never know. The RS6 is awesome but if I had to spend that much money, I would buy the E55 as that car is even faster. Just look at their 1/4 mile times and mph's.
Just have to start saving my peanuts and shell out for a used 2004 E55 in a few years after the original owner takes the depreciation hit.
From 0-60 or the 1/4 mile, the A8 and the '91-'96 NSX are only about 1 second apart on paper. The Audi's auto trans adapts quickly when you mash the pedal at any speed and really moves. I have an A8 as well as the NSX and I can see an A8 beating it. To be fast in the NSX, you need quick shifts at the optimal time. In the Audi, all you have to do is mash the pedal to the floor and the car will do the rest.
No, it is time to get some driving lessons. Some boost will only make his car spin.96-EJ6 said:It just sounds to me like its time for the NSX to see some boost.
steve
whiteNSXs said:No, it is time to get some driving lessons. Some boost will only make his car spin.
steve
Maybe some driving lessons, then some boost!
I'm wondering if Paul met up with one of these.
http://www.audiworld.com/news/03/stratrs6/
That is one bad Audi!
http://www.audiworld.com/news/03/stratrs6/
That is one bad Audi!
the clip doesn't show how fast the car's going..
maybe the position of the camera??
maybe the position of the camera??
Driver ability made the difference here and/or simply being caught with your pants down. Even if the other car is a couple seconds slower from start to quarter mile, if you have the wrong line, fast or slow, your coming in second unless your on top of your game. Its not a drag car, practice your chops and you'll eat A8's for breakfast!
The driver can make all the differance.
I used to think I was fairly good, but went to driving school last month and leaned more in 2 days than I have in the last 35 years.
If the other driver set you up by using a good line comeing out of the on ramp, you wouldn't have much of a chance unless you were on the same line.
Regardless, if you havn't been to school yet, go. It will increase the performance of your NSX times 2.
Best money I have ever spent.
I used to think I was fairly good, but went to driving school last month and leaned more in 2 days than I have in the last 35 years.
If the other driver set you up by using a good line comeing out of the on ramp, you wouldn't have much of a chance unless you were on the same line.
Regardless, if you havn't been to school yet, go. It will increase the performance of your NSX times 2.
Best money I have ever spent.
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