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Procar Specials NSX

since last wednesday, the car is repaired, after 3 long months of work.
Wanna post some upgrades.

picture 1
3 Aluminium dowels with light alu screws hold the lower part of the side vents, the OEM plasticdowels are gone

picture5
4pcs underbody construction, completly closed with my easy removal modular system.

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Hi Detleft,
Is looking perfect (as usual :smile: )

I do have a question though.
How are the two rear bolts of the battery undercover plate attached to the car? Did you drill some extra holes in the bottom of the car.

I have recently installed the Downforce bumper undercover together with a homemade aluminum battery undertray and at the rear end I have now fixed it at the same spot where the rubber cooling lines cover is attached.
Am a bit anxious to drill extra holes in my car.
 
Hi Detleft,
Is looking perfect (as usual )

I do have a question though.
How are the two rear bolts of the battery undercover plate attached to the car? Did you drill some extra holes in the bottom of the car.

I have recently installed the Downforce bumper undercover together with a homemade aluminum battery undertray and at the rear end I have now fixed it at the same spot where the rubber cooling lines cover is attached.
Am a bit anxious to drill extra holes in my car.

Hi Marten,
thanks for the compliments, my system should work now at highspeed.

Your question:
The original battery aluminium support frame is installed with 6 screws to the chassis side.
2x in front and 4x at the rear side of that frame.

The Procar underbody plate system is designed as kit with special mounting stuff.

Each of the 6x original screws will be removed and replaced with my own, cnc machined screw in screw kit with an M6 thread at the buttom side.

Big advantage is that each original screw can be removed step by step without removing the battery or the battery support frame, finally you easliy can install the underbody plate, because the mounting holes at the Procar cf underbodyplate are at the 'right' place already.

Even the NSX-R JDM hasnt that, so its an further upgrade. :biggrin:
 
1x NSX-R hood screen for NA1/2RR and JDM NA2R hoods
aluminium frame with black mesh,
perfect unit, comes with special hood pins
price: 600 Euro + shipment

That hood screen is sold, next one should be here in 2 months.

(Actual) Current stock list:

2x gfk brake ducts
2x cf brake ducts
1x cf side mirrors
2x aluminium front bumper beam (lightweight)
2x cf airbox kit
1x cf fender scoop
1x cf side vents
1x cf engine brace coupe
1x cf NA2R cooling panel
2x cf radiator brackets (old price)
1x cf radiator brackets (high gloss)
1x cf underbody plate front (NA1)
 
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for sale:

1x superlight NSX frontbumper beam in aluminium version.
weight reduction nearly 10 kg

Slightly used, installed only for test and photoshoot reasons at the Procar NSX-RR.
Comes with all requested hardware.

Price: 530 Euro incl dtd shipment to any place in USA

http://www.nsxprime.com/photopost/data/500/Procar_NSX-R_beam_1.JPG{/IMG]

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We still have another one for sale, its our lastest aluminium version.
 
for sale:

1x superlight NSX frontbumper beam in aluminium version.
weight reduction nearly 10 kg

Slightly used, installed only for test and photoshoot reasons at the Procar NSX-RR.
Comes with all requested hardware.

Price: 530 Euro incl dtd shipment to any place in USA

Procar_NSX-R_beam_1.JPG


SOLD

We still have another one for sale, its our lastest aluminium version.
 
Detlef are all front beams on all year NSX's the same unlike the rear beams? It's 10KG savings on any year NSX?!
 
Detlef are all front beams on all year NSX's the same unlike the rear beams? It's 10KG savings on any year NSX?!

Yes, both versions of the front beam fits all year NSX's.

I have 1x aluminium front bumper beam in stock, its the last one which is for sale. (They are out of production, only the cf version will be available into the future.)
Alu version has a bit more weight as the cf version(~500g), but still very light.

The cf bumper beams are available for front and rear, weight reduction is nearly 20 kg for both sides.
I dont stock them, I produce them after incoming order (production time is ~ 3 weeks)
 
Thanks but my question was, is the weight the same on all year factory front bumper beams? As you know later model rear bumper beams are aluminum, whereas earlier ones are steel. Does this same thing apply to the fronts? What I would hate to do is remove my front bumper only to find that the factory unit is already a lightweight aluminum on my 2005.
 
Thanks but my question was, is the weight the same on all year factory front bumper beams? As you know later model rear bumper beams are aluminum, whereas earlier ones are steel. Does this same thing apply to the fronts? What I would hate to do is remove my front bumper only to find that the factory unit is already a lightweight aluminum on my 2005.

Sorry for missunderstanding your question, David.

AFAIK, NSX's have alu rbb's from 95 on, so your 2005 beam is the same as 95
beam.
The 1995 NSX Technical Information guide says " The rear bumper beam is now made of aluminium extrusion, replacing the previous steel type.
The benefit is a weight savings of 6.5 pounds while still maintaining the equivelant collision performance of the previous type.

I only had 1 aluminium rbb from a 2002 NSX-R into my hands but I remember
that even that part was quite heavy, havent expected that.

So, this are my weight records. (rbb = rear bumper beam)

NSX (91-94)
steel type rbb
23 lbs = 10.5 kg

NSX (95-05) incl NA2R
alu type rbb (OEM)
16.5 lbs = 7.5 kg

Procar cf rbb (NSX 91-05)
3.5 lbs = 1.5 kg
 
Hi,

Dave, i think that the FRONT OEM beam is always steel regardless of year, so 91 to 05.

My Procar CF Front Beam weighted 510gr alone, and 600gr more with the provided bolts and nuts


Detlef, my OEM rear beam was lighter than that... it was arround 7,5kg. But i'm talking about the beam itself, as i moved all the hardware to the CF beam

Nuno
 
Thanks Nuno. Detlef I think you still did not understand my question, which was on the Front bumper beam. I wanted to know if like rear bumper beam, the later models of the front beam were lighter aluminum. So I guess Nuno is saying they are all the same. As far as stregth, how much is lost? Any idea? I am wanting to not take too much safety away.
 
Hi,

Thanks Nuno. Detlef I think you still did not understand my question, which was on the Front bumper beam. I wanted to know if like rear bumper beam, the later models of the front beam were lighter aluminum. So I guess Nuno is saying they are all the same.

i think that based of pictures and on the part itself. From pictures the parts seems the same, and as that shape would be a nightmare to duplicate in Aluminium, i assume it is steel... The rear being a simple square pipe, it's a lot easier to do in Aluminium.

But as i said, "i think", so i'm not 100% sure :wink:


As far as stregth, how much is lost? Any idea? I am wanting to not take too much safety away.
i think of both my CF bumper beams like this:

- parts related: the damage should be higher for the CF ones at the same speed... but i can't think of that, because i wouldn't drive the car if i did (OEM or CF)

- health related: we are talking about front and rear end damage, not sides, it would have to be a very high speed so the damage would reach your body... and i think with that speed, it won't matter if your beam is OEM or CF, as a stronger one wouldn't avoid the damage to hit you....

i think it's worse to remove the steering wheel airbag than replace a OEM front beam with a cf one :wink:

Thanks,
Nuno
 
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Thanks Nuno. Detlef I think you still did not understand my question, which was on the Front bumper beam. I wanted to know if like rear bumper beam, the later models of the front beam were lighter aluminum. So I guess Nuno is saying they are all the same. As far as stregth, how much is lost? Any idea? I am wanting to not take too much safety away.

David, think I understand now :smile:

I have phoned with an Honda R&D engineer here in germany and he told me that all NSX fbb's (front bumper beams) were steel beams. (year 91-05)
I didnt have knowed that, the most buyers have older NSX's.

My cf version is ultralight, but the inner structure is also very strong, so its
nearly impossible to break.

Here is a video from a crash with the NSX-R race car, which has installed my
cf fbb beam.
After that crash, the beam was still OK.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XmEX8r9YSlc

If the video doesnt work, I can sent it via eMail
 
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I have both their CF beams. I thought the rear beam was just too thin. I spoke with them and they offered to make me another that was thicker. They did that right away which made me happy. Regarding the front beam I felt i had to fabricate an alum plate about 1/8" thick that fits behind the beam to reinforce the bolting areas which i'm worried about long term. The alum helps take that load. I did do a thread on this if interested. Bottom line, an upgraded CF rear is fine, but instead of making an alum plate for the front, i would simply use an alum front like STMPO's. Sorry Detlef, i do love your products overall.
 
I have both their CF beams. I thought the rear beam was just too thin. I spoke with them and they offered to make me another that was thicker. They did that right away which made me happy. Regarding the front beam I felt i had to fabricate an alum plate about 1/8" thick that fits behind the beam to reinforce the bolting areas which i'm worried about long term. The alum helps take that load. I did do a thread on this if interested. Bottom line, an upgraded CF rear is fine, but instead of making an alum plate for the front, i would simply use an alum front like STMPO's. Sorry Detlef, i do love your products overall.

Thanks Larry for your input.
You got the 1th gen of cf fb beam in year 2008, if I remember right it was in
august 2008.
It was the ultralight fbb, but you decided to go for the reinforced gen 2 version, which you got in september 2008.

In the meanwhile, both beams, front and rear got another structure reinforcement and have some special superstrong inserts at the mounting area, actually we offer gen 3+4.

The beams have a little bit more weight, so its our customers decision which way to go.
Finally we have an ultralight 790g fb beam, also a superstrong 1.6kg fb beam.

Acually my car has the 790g superlight and reinforced gen 3 version installed....and I'm very happy with it.

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Interesting design Detlef, so it is supposed to work with the R style diffuser?
 
Interesting design Detlef, so it is supposed to work with the R style diffuser?

The RGT diffusor is a stand alone part, but it can be combinated with the 91-01 NA1/NA2 rear valence or the 02+ new style rear valence with or without the NSX-R diffusor.

.......so, a lot of options :smile:

Here is the NA1 ption from a german customer
 
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