NSX sequel decided: 6 cylinders

NSXBOX · 16 June 2003

Its been known that Skyline GTR's, Evo's stated 280ps but dyno significantly more than that a good 10-15% more than that..
STI is going to intro a WRX with more than 280ps Y ?? cos the agreement is amongst manufacturers and not tuners. Thus Subaru is bypassing the gentlemen's agreement by letting STI do the power increase ...maybe Mugen should do it..

I dont see y Honda doesnt produce something along the lines of the F20c from the S2000... more than 100HP/L ...based on that even on 3.2L the NSX should make 360-380HP.

Z0650TH · 16 June 2003

Nothing wrong with gaining performance through lighter weight with little or no change to HP.

Look at the Lotus Elise coming to the States early next year. Going to be about 2000 lbs with about 200 hp (hopefully the Toyota engine/tranny) and should be able to hang with some of the best sports cars on the planet at any price. It's a matter of design philosophy and if the rumor is true, than Honda has decided that performance through light weight is the way they want the NSX to go.

Of couse, right now it's all just rumors. Need to wait until the actual specs are announced by Honda/Acura in the coming months.

By the way, is this redesign scheduled for the 2004 NSX?

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2003 Z06 Electron Blue - Bone Stock
2005 Lotus Elise - #16 Deposit at Manhattan Motor Cars

Juice · 16 June 2003

Z0650TH said:
Nothing wrong with gaining performance through lighter weight with little or no change to HP.

Look at the Lotus Elise coming to the States early next year. Going to be about 2000 lbs with about 200 hp

Ahhhh...but the Lotus Elise is not a true car. It lacks all the refinement that an NSX owner wants to take with him/her on the interestate. You know. Like A/C, radio, COMFORT!!! I would like to have an Elise for the track as well, just as long as it gets there on a trailer! My point being that the NSX can shed weight too. Just get rid of everything that you want besides the engine and wheels.

Honda can beat Lotus at that game with no effort. But Honda's game has always been to deliver so much more.

Z0650TH · 16 June 2003

Well actually the Lotus Elise coming to the States in April/May of 2004 as a 2005 model will be the S2.5/3 version similar to the one that just went on sale in the U.K.

It will have power windows, A/C, better and more supportive leather sport seats, central locking and stereo. In other words, it will be a much more civilized Lotus for the street (and great for the track as well) with a total weight of about 2,000 lbs and a promised 0-60 in under 5 seconds.

It's no NSX, but for an MSRP of $40k for a great looking low production car, it's going to be fantastic IMO. I'll take mine in Blue or red please.

dougjgreen · 16 June 2003

IMHO, it's not the fact that the NSX is too low on performance that is limiting it's sales, it's the price of $80+K. At $65K new, I think this car sells a 2-3 THOUSANDS of units a year, not 200 a year.

The problem that it has is that it has to be CLEARLY BETTER than what you can get for $60-70K now, and it is debatable whether or not it is. Personally, I think that it better than a stripped low end 911 that costs $70K, but it is NOT better than a loaded up 911 at $90-100K. And, whether it is better than a loaded up C-06 Vette is a function of what you are looking for, but it's not an open and shut case. (and that C-06 'Vette won't set you back more than the $60Ks.)

Once a car sells for the $80s and beyond, it is in some pretty rarified air, and it needs to be absolutely exceptional in every way that the buyer is looking for.

Joel · 16 June 2003

Screw the "Gentleman's Agreement." It's the silliest thing I've ever heard of. Given that there are more NSX owners concentrated in the United States, more than any other country I might add, Japan needs to wake up and give their consumers what they want.

Black Knight · 17 June 2003

Joel said:
Screw the "Gentleman's Agreement." It's the silliest thing I've ever heard of. Given that there are more NSX owners concentrated in the United States, more than any other country I might add, Japan needs to wake up and give their consumers what they want.

Amen to that......give us more or don't give at all!!

Juice · 17 June 2003

Joel said:
Screw the "Gentleman's Agreement." It's the silliest thing I've ever heard of. Given that there are more NSX owners concentrated in the United States, more than any other country I might add, Japan needs to wake up and give their consumers what they want.

Now your just dead on, but who wants to agree with something so simple and logical?

svalleynsx · 17 June 2003

NSX-Racer said:
Germans biggest car mag "auto, motor & sport" reports that Honda finally decided to develop a NSX sequel. It will have a 6 cyl engine - not 8 or 10 as most of you had on the wishlist. That resembles to my thoughts in another thread that Honda will keep the lightweight-, light engine idea. Not to mention the 280 hp limit for the japanese market - or do you know a japanese car that has more than 280 official hp?

So back to the original thread: What exactly is an "NSX sequel"?
Is it the next gen NSX or just a scaled back version of the original car, ala a TSX from an RSX? I've heard in recent postings that the NSX will be discontinued after model year '03 anyways. although I wouldn't put much weight behind that either.

NUK3M · 17 June 2003

if they can keep it light, a huge increase in torque - a V6 is fine with me. (@9000+ rpm babY!)

just wondering how Honda is going abouts with the Enviromental Policy it adheres to strenously.

NSX-Racer · 17 June 2003

To svalleynsx: Sorry for my unclear english. Maybe I translated the german word "Nachfolger" wrong as "sequel". As some other NSX fellow already wrote here we should better speak of "successor".

I would hold every bet that the NSX will be continued - but not necessarily with exactly the same name. It's not a question of earning money for Honda (they already lost a lot with every sold car) but of image transfer and advertising. When I bought my first NSX in '97 my dealer said he wants the car to be seen in the local traffic with his shop decals on it - I had the only one in the whole county.

As we have no Acura division here some dealers may speculate that someone who wants to see a NSX but is not rich enough to buy one may leave the shop with a new Civic Type R ;-)

bayareansx1999 · 17 June 2003

boy, if Honda really put out 400+ HP on the new NSX, can you imagine the price drop on the current NSX??? i know for sure there will be a lot of owners trading in or selling their car

Juice · 17 June 2003

Fine by me. I could use another "dinosaur".

NSXBill2 · 17 June 2003

Ahhhh....spirited NSX-2 debate. I love it

I think they should put that 3.0 litre 17,000+ rpm V-10 in it. It sure isn't doing any good in the BAR (Formula 1 car)...

NetViper · 17 June 2003

17,000 RPM eh... what about low end Torque

myf16 · 17 June 2003

Price prognostication

bayareansx1999 said:
boy, if Honda really put out 400+ HP on the new NSX, can you imagine the price drop on the current NSX??? i know for sure there will be a lot of owners trading in or selling their car

I'm confident that prices for used first-generation NSXs will increase the moment the new car is announced, no matter what it is. Plenty of people will prefer the old car; after, all they had many other choices when they bought it. Everyone will be able to find things to like and things to dislike about the new car. But from that point on, there will never be another new first-generation NSX.

Daveg27 · 17 June 2003

Why does everyone think a V8 or adding displacement is going to turn a nimble, mid-engined car into an unbalanced behemoth?? This makes no sense to me. You guys realize that GM's LS1 V8 is a little over 100 pounds heavier than an F20C but has nearly three times the displacement right? Now if GM can develop a relatively lightweight V8 don't you think Honda could come up with a ~4.0l V8 that didn't weigh any more than the current engine (C32)? I do.

On paper, I'm inclined to agree that as long as the power is there I don't care too much how it's made. But, realistically that's not exactly true. I love my S2000 and being a roadster an I4 is what belongs under the hood. But an exotic should have something exotic under the hood. There are no exotic V6s, the NSX should get a 3.4L V8. Or better yet a 4.0L V12. <drool>

generation2 · 17 June 2003

Sooner or Later teens in highschool will be able to drive NSX

BITeR · 17 June 2003

Daveg27 said:
Why does everyone think a V8 or adding displacement is going to, But an exotic should have something exotic under the hood. There are no exotic V6s, the NSX should get a 3.4L V8. Or better yet a 4.0L V12. <drool>

Don't really agree here. Look at the Lotus Esprit when it "caved in " and went V8. It resulted in a heavier, not balanced and worse car than the S4, which was a 4!

If you read NSX history, Honda did consider a v8, v12 and a turbo 6 back when they designed the NSX. I hope they stick with a V6. Use exotic material and tech to make it FEEL like a V8!
HP and displacement is only good for bragging rights. The NSX proved that in 91 and will do so again.

NSXBill2 · 17 June 2003

Cylinder count matters

IMO - I agree that to really be able to claim "exotic" status, these days a car should have at least 8 cylinders. It can be small, made of unobtainium, or whatever, even have only 280ps and be LESS than 3.0 litres...but, like it or not cylinder count matters!

And BTW, I would rather it be 7.0 litres and have 700 hp!

Black Knight · 17 June 2003

NetViper said:
17,000 RPM eh... what about low end Torque

honda has already broken record with the 9k rpm and 120hp/liter with the S2000 engine....i don't see why they couldn't take it one step further.

no matter what the outcome is, i'm sure honda will once again pioneer into new realms.....

NetViper · 17 June 2003

Which would you rather have:

1. V6 400 HP gas: 17/24

2. V8 400HP gas 11/13 -- like ferrari's..

I am inclined to go for #1. Part of the joy of the NSX is it is a great daliy driver. If it had a large v8 and no gas mileage, it would not be a great daily driver anymore.

myf16 · 17 June 2003

Those of us who like to drive through remote areas appreciate 300+ mile range even while driving quite briskly. You won't get this with a thirsty V8.

Juice · 18 June 2003

It's nice to see that everybody believes there will be a new NSX.

mlambert890 · 18 June 2003

Juice said:
It's nice to see that everybody believes there will be a new NSX.

I'm not so sure. The sweet spot these days seems to be in the S2000, 350Z, RX8 range. Honda has already blown it in the limited audience, high dollar market by not building nearly enough cachet to remotely interest the majority of $90k spenders. Even for NSX fanatics, the new one is a very tough sell.

If anything, maybe they'll do a $60k Z06/Viper competitor, but that will be tough because it will be a black mark against the original NSX. Honda will basically be admitting that the car was grossly overpriced. Their best bet, from a corporate standpoint, might be to quietly let it be forgotten and stick with low price/high value.

What I would LOVE to see is an NSX 2 that is, say, $95k and outperforms a 911TT to the point where no magazine test ends up ambiguous. As a fan and a consumer, this would be my choice; as the CEO of Honda, though, I doubt I'd do it... Too big of a risk in uncertain times...

NSX sequel decided: 6 cylinders

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