Nsx Replacement Designers Are Stuck

[latzke]

Would you guys prefer transverse engine with a trunk like the NSX or longitudinal mounted engine with a smaller trunk/no trunk?

Whatever works best. Might be some issues stuffing a v10 in sideways next to tranny making longitudinal the only option...which then might leave some room on the sides for storage (like McLaren F1)...though I'm not sure it would rule out trunk (instead of short rear with exchaust stuffed in vertically make it a bit longer, keep the exhaust low, and have trunk. A relitavely long tail to accomidate a trunk may even have side effect of creating aerodynamic stability like with our NSXs and keep the next gen's looks in line with NSX heritage.

 

[latzke]

1989 called and is curious where these HIDs & viper fuel cap came from.

HSC + efficient 400-500hp v8/v10 + no more weight = good start
(though something McLaren F1-ish with the rear pilar/glass/hatch might be an improvement - man I still love the F1)

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To me design in drawing looks out-dated (i.e. see front turn signals), with some modern touches added (i.e. HIDs), some design cliches (i.e. bigass side scoop, bigass wing), some gimmics (i.e. shiny metal fuel cap, car too low / wheels not centered in wheel-well), and no roof. It's almost an example of what the next NSX shouldn't be.

In trying to create a classy and timeless design the original NSX designers specifically avoided things like big wings and big side scoops seen on lambos/ferraris of the day (if the metal gas cap had been around in the late 80s I'm sure they would have avoided that too as with HSC). Part of the reason the NSX still looks so nice is they bucked some of the gimmics of the day. They made the NSX beautiful, not cool/trendy/edgy.

 

[enkrypt3d]

Someone should point the to the HSC:biggrin:

yea whats wrong with the HSC? thats a sick car IMO

 

[Elite]

I liked the way the NSX R2 was going. Of course they'd have to get rid of the Enzo like triangle up front, but with some messaging/updating and this could do it.

 

[NSXrebel]

I liked the way the NSX R2 was going. Of course they'd have to get rid of the Enzo like triangle up front, but with some messaging/updating and this could do it.

What's NSX R2? Never heard of it. Links?
You know that car is a photochopped Cadillac Cien, right? The only two concept designs by Honda for the NSX successor have been the HSC and ASCC.



And WingZ hates on th HSC because he was 1 of maybe 2 people on here that liked the ASCC. :wink:

 

[liftcontrol]

I liked the way the NSX R2 was going. Of course they'd have to get rid of the Enzo like triangle up front, but with some messaging/updating and this could do it.

That would do very handsomely but unfortunately that is a MR [rear] platform and Honda are apparently forging ahead with a front Mid engine placement of a v-10 powerplant. It would HAVE to be a long hood design like the maseratis of the past.

If the car was to be a 2 seater, it could be tightly bundled like the LF-A but it is apparently a 2+2 and is likely to therefore have the dimensions of the current GT Ferraris.

Undecided as Honda is about the design of the car, we are unlikely to see it before the next Tokyo Auto show two years down the road.

It is interesting that the engineering Powehouse that Honda is, the engine, transmission, suspension and other "hardware" is not a problem for them but rather the physical appearance is what is causing them difficulties. That goes to show the strengths of Honda and also points to the significance that they are finally giving to the replacement of a car that even though it sold in meager numbers, nevertheless has become a legend. It should be an interesting and tantalizing time for enthusiasts and Honda desingners both.

 

[WingZ]

Someone should point the to the HSC:biggrin:

What's NSX R2? Never heard of it. Links?
You know that car is a photochopped Cadillac Cien, right? The only two concept designs by Honda for the NSX successor have been the HSC and ASCC.



And WingZ hates on th HSC because he was 1 of maybe 2 people on here that liked the ASCC. :wink:

See post#3 of this thread above:biggrin:

 

[BladesNSX]

There were many Subtle design complaints about the HSC when it was first introduced on Prime. Some didn't like the rear, the sides, the B-Pillar, the flat looking rear, etc. The MAJOR complaint however, was the continued use of the V-6.

I liked the way the HSC looked. It was certainly Original IMHO, though to me, lacked the subtle lines (especially the side) of the NSX. I would have been satisfied with 350Hp personally; however, many peopled shunned Honda for not stepping up the Power Bar as it seemed Nissan and Toyota were planning to do (even if it was just rumored power increase).

I wonder if Honda is a bit confused with what they want to create versus what the market is demanding versus what they might actually sell.

Some have stated that Honda never created the NSX to sell like hotcakes; rather, Honda merely wanted to create a flagship car. I have no idea what their intentions were back then or now. I just wish they would go back to a Mid-Engine design, and make an effort to stay true with the original ideals behind the performance of our Current NSX.

 

[NSXBat]

I just wish they would go back to a Mid-Engine design, and make an effort to stay true with the original ideals.

Yep,

What happen to Honda's idea to design the NSX like a fighter jet? Sleek military aircraft seem a much better design idea, than what ever they were thinking with the ASCC

 

[MiamiMermaid]

This is such a great looking car. The only things I would change is slight style changes to the side-scoop (slightly bigger i.e. taller) and the roof lines on the back side of the cockpit - I always thought the rear window looked odd. And of course, a V10 with 500+hp. Now that would be a next gen NSX to me.


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Sorry, but, to me, this is a bit of a let-down. Too boxy, less sexy than our sleek Original NSX.

Performance wise, perhaps.... But, in the aesthetics department.... no go...

Looks more like a Gallardo, which, again in my opinion, holds nothing to the NSX. :frown:

 

[Juice]

I saw the HSC in person, and didn't care for it too much. The interior was bad ass, but the exterior was only so-so. In fact, I would put the HSC design on par with the ASCC. Neither of them really did anything for me.

My main complaint for the ASCC is the fact that the engine is now in the front. I think Honda is putting the engine in the front because they realize that the car can perform just as well with the engine in the front without all the cooling issues that a mid-engine car has. So I don't take issue with that philosophy. My complaint lies in the fact that I really like cab-forward designs. Every car I have ever fell in love with, from an aesthetics perspective, has had the engine lying in the back.

A front engine car could be the performer of the world, but ultimately it will never strum my heart strings.

 

[MiamiMermaid]

I saw the HSC in person, and didn't care for it too much. The interior was bad ass, but the exterior was only so-so. In fact, I would put the HSC design on par with the ASCC. Neither of them really did anything for me.

My complaint lies in the fact that I really like cab-forward designs. Every car I have ever fell in love with, from an aesthetics perspective, has had the engine lying in the back.

A front engine car could be the performer of the world, but ultimately it will never strum my heart strings.

+2 Juice ....

My main complaint for the ASCC is the fact that the engine is now in the front. I think Honda is putting the engine in the front because they realize that the car can perform just as well with the engine in the front without all the cooling issues that a mid-engine car has. So I don't take issue with that philosophy.

Neither do I take issue in their 'philosophy' of having a front engine... However, it takes away from the whole reasoning that I adore the NSX: we are *out of the lines* ..... not like all others..... Mid-engine is Hot, Rare, and is darn out Impressive !
But, in all revelry, it will only stand true to preserve Our cars as 'Classics' ..... hold on to 'em , my friendz * (I know I am). :wink:

 

[Frank Spano]

Honda should really think abouy using Detlaf's prototype he created. That car is amazing. Frank

 

[Aiken Drum]

The MAJOR complaint however, was the continued use of the V-6.

Since I'm a poseur, and live in an area where you can barely get over 40mph in miserable traffic, the V6 was never an issue for me. I sometimes feel silly owning an NSX, since I seldom get over 70mph even on the freeway. I still love it, though.

The only HSC element I ever moaned about was the B pillar, which frankly does violate the aforementioned rule against gimmicks, aside from being weird and unattractive.

(I didn't care much for the Corvette butt, true, and the sides were a bit plain, having lost the incline that made the concept drawing attractive. However, neither was a huge issue, and both were easily solved with a few minor adjustments.)

They should have fixed a few things on the HSC and been done with it. Keep it lightweight, put in a *good* V6, and you'd othewise sell tons of the things on looks alone.

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Edit: Oh, and despite any of the above complaints, I'd take an HSC, as is, before that ugly-ass monstrosity they called the ASCC. Just fire the group who made that thing. Gah. Piece of s---.

 

[95ttht]

HSC with a more NSX-ish hatch and realistic b pillar and window.

 

[WingZ]

Maybe Honda can steal a few lines from the 599. That's a beautiful front engine car.

Also can anyone shorten the rear and extend the front on the HSC? I'm curious as to what that would look like as a front engine.

 

[BladesNSX]

HSC with a more NSX-ish hatch and realistic b pillar and window.

Nice!! Push in the body panel behind the front fender, Raise the Side Intakes more to resemble the current NSX and open up the front bumper and She'll be closer to perfection.

 

[mickeylex]

HSC with a more NSX-ish hatch and realistic b pillar and window.

Nice!! Push in the body panel behind the front fender, Raise the Side Intakes more to resemble the current NSX and open up the front bumper and She'll be closer to perfection.

You mean, she'll look even more like the current NSX? :biggrin:

I remember when the HSC pictures hit the net and people said "not enough"; "Don't like it", "front looks too much like current NSX", "Honda should do more", etc, etc. Now the discussion sounds like people just want the 91-05 NSX design to continue or bring the HSC back, which I'm ok w/ b/c I still love the NSX design. :smile:

 

[WingZ]

You mean, she'll look even more like the current NSX? :biggrin:

I remember when the HSC pictures hit the net and people said "not enough"; "Don't like it", "front looks too much like current NSX", "Honda should do more", etc, etc. Now the discussion sounds like people just want the 91-05 NSX design to continue or bring the HSC back, which I'm ok w/ b/c I still love the NSX design. :smile:

Yeah people would be complaining even if the HSC had gotten the nod to production.

Honda probably isn't looking to please NSX owners as they've shown to be unpleased regardless what they do.

 

[BladesNSX]

You mean, she'll look even more like the current NSX? :biggrin:

I remember when the HSC pictures hit the net and people said "not enough"; "Don't like it", "front looks too much like current NSX", "Honda should do more", etc, etc. Now the discussion sounds like people just want the 91-05 NSX design to continue or bring the HSC back, which I'm ok w/ b/c I still love the NSX design. :smile:

Lol, perhaps there's a lil NSX narcissism coming from me afterall:redface:

There were lots of varied complaints about the HSC. She was certainly a "different" car, but I never "Hated" the car's design. Just thought it needed some tweaking. Looking back on 95ttht's photoshopped car, I remembered that the slanted B-Pillar was also where you would open the door. Take a close look at the top of the door where the B-Pillar meets. I kinda think that's cool:biggrin:

Yeah people would be complaining even if the HSC had gotten the nod to production.

Honda probably isn't looking to please NSX owners as they've shown to be unpleased regardless what they do.

We've shown to be displeased? I don't know, if anything...we are the MOST pleased. Especially guys like you that shelled over big bucks for a Honda NSX that isn't essentially that much different from an NSX several years, or more older. I think one must be VERY pleased to have done this no?:smile:

I think if Honda actually produced the HSC, the biggest downside to sales for people who aren't Honda and/or NSX lovers like us, would be the Car's lack of power.

Wasn't the HSC intended to be a 3.5 liter V6? That would produce, what....350bhp?? Would that be enough for you guys stock?? It would be enough for me personally:redface: A few mods would push her close to the 400bhp range.

What was the projected weight of the HSC?? Anyone remember??

 

[BladesNSX]

Update...I just spent the last 15 minutes searching prime and online sources for the projected weight of the HSC, short or running downstairs and putting in GT4 to check out the specs for weight of the HSC, then remembered it's not there either.

I would estimate around 2800 lbs for the HSC....does that sound reasonable?? Some people said in previous posts that because it's a new car, the HSC should logically weight LESS than the current NSX-T or even older NSX coupes.

I don't know about that since cars that come out new have to meet more stringent crash test ratings, EPA standards, etc. thus making the car heavier right?

anyway, though I would include my most favorite pic of the HSC, currently my desktop wallpaper. I think this car is 85% perfect. Sorry, despite other's statements to the contrary, I love the rear and the B-Pillar (just concerned about side visibility looking just to the side-rear). Just tweak the side intake larger and open the front to look more like the current NSX and I'd be in love.

 

[NSXrebel]

Maybe Honda can steal a few lines from the 599. That's a beautiful front engine car.

Also can anyone shorten the rear and extend the front on the HSC? I'm curious as to what that would look like as a front engine.

Cmon WingZ, quit trying to turn the HSC into the ASCC. Why do that when you already have the FR ASCC, which we all know you still want/like over the HSC.

 

[WingZ]

Cmon WingZ, quit trying to turn the HSC into the ASCC. Why do that when you already have the FR ASCC, which we all know you still want/like over the HSC.

LOL I like both but neither will see daylight as both designs have been scrapped:frown:

I'm not has hard on Honda as the rest of you guys. I grew to love the NSX over the years. It wasn't a car that knocked my socks off when it first came out and it was never my dream car. Whatever they come up with will be okay with me as I think they'll make a great car. If they don't I won't buy it. It won't be the end of the world:wink:

 

[Aiken Drum]

I played around for a few hours last night. I tried to come up with something that still satisfied the line styling of the HSC without looking gimmicky, yet looked more like a descendant of the NSX without simply looking like an NSX with a different nose. I went through a lot of iterations, but this is the one I think I like best.

Edit: I freely give up the design to Honda if they want it, no strings attached.

 

[NSXrebel]

I like.