NSX gets no respect!!!!

[Mac Attack]

As far as quoting specs to prove which one is best: There is no "best" car out there to satisfy everyone. That's why we have so many choices.

Jeez, just enjoy what you have and respect others.

 

[pvmike]

Should I respond to this troll?

"When you suspect that somebody is a troll, you might try responding with a polite, mild message to see if it's just somebody in a bad mood. Internet users sometimes let their passions get away from them when seated safely behind their keyboard. If you ignore their bluster and respond in a pleasant manner, they usually calm down.

However, if the person persists in being beastly, and seems to enjoy being unpleasant, the only effective position is summed up as follows:

The only way to deal with trolls is to limit your reaction to reminding others not to respond to trolls.

When you try to reason with a troll, he wins. When you insult a troll, he wins. When you scream at a troll, he wins. The only thing that trolls can't handle is being ignored."

 

[|Adeel]

It already has..thats OLD news..NEXT

Are you really 40? Sound like 20 to me.

No, Corvette can't beat that time Evo 9 runs 8.11 on that track, so does Caymann S.


The reason I keep mentioning this track is because you presented some numbers above, and the Nürburgring is THE benchmark for a cars performance. EOD. Imagine 280 hp NSX-R running faster on that track than Corvette...

 

[whiteNSXs]

It already has..thats OLD news..NEXT

Reportedly the C6 Z06 ran 7:42 which is a spectacular time. Even this guy is just here to make an argument, I think his points are very valid. The C6 Z06 is an extremely capable car in its own right and in many aspects surpasses the NSX. Afterall, the NSX is a 1990's product and has not been significantly redesigned. The NSX was way ahead of its time back in 1991 and really wipping behinds. It is still a very capable performer today but it is by no means "King of the Hill" when everyone else is making better and faster cars. The C6 Z06 is a mid 2000's performance product with "PERFORMANCE" in mind and it has earned the merits. I cannot see myself buying a Vette ever due to a few reasons. There are a few intangibles that I can only find in the NSX within certain price bracket hence I kept buying the NSXs. To me NSX is the best product for my purpose and my budget. But the 2006 Z06 is a better performer and certainly is a better car for some people.
Hey, if I win the lottery this weekend, I will buy the Zonda.
Steve

 

[cfra7]

I'm a big NSX fan and I'll agree that the Corvette is a better performance car. If I"m on the street I want an NSX because something about a mid-engine cars just feels so much better. However, If I'm on the track I would prefer a Corvette. For now I have a race car and an NSX. If I decide to get a serious track/street car it won't be an NSX. At some point cars just get old and their performance is no longer competitive to newer cars. If you are doing a purely performance buy and have less than $50K, then the C5 Z06 is as fast as you can get (hate the car - I would rather go slow in something else). If you have between $50K and $100K, you can't beat a C6 Z06. If you have $100K to $200K then it's the Ford GT you are after (diminishing performance return on investment but a very cool car).

1. You can't argue NSX as a best performance deal.
2. The NSX still has good performance but no longer great performance.
3. The NSX has other attributes that can put it high on someone's list of cars to own.
4. The NSX has 99% of the street performance of any car. It just on the track were it falls short. If you don't go to the track than performance numbers don't matter
except to the insecure.

PS. I don't respect cars, only drivers. Owning a performance car doesn't make you a performance driver! I've seen a good Miata driver beat an inexperenced (fill in the blank) many times. Cars are tools. Owning a nice hammer doesn't make you a carpenter.

 

[DutchBlackNsx]

Reportedly the C6 Z06 ran 7:42 which is a spectacular time. Even this guy is just here to make an argument, I think his points are very valid. The C6 Z06 is an extremely capable car in its own right and in many aspects surpasses the NSX. Afterall, the NSX is a 1990's product and has not been significantly redesigned. The NSX was way ahead of its time back in 1991 and really wipping behinds. It is still a very capable performer today but it is by no means "King of the Hill" when everyone else is making better and faster cars. The C6 Z06 is a mid 2000's performance product with "PERFORMANCE" in mind and it has earned the merits. I cannot see myself buying a Vette ever due to a few reasons. There are a few intangibles that I can only find in the NSX within certain price bracket hence I kept buying the NSXs. To me NSX is the best product for my purpose and my budget. But the 2006 Z06 is a better performer and certainly is a better car for some people.
Hey, if I win the lottery this weekend, I will buy the Zonda.
Steve

Absolutely agree with you.
The guy is here to stir it, but his points are valid, and i would never ever buy a corvette, even if it had 750HP for half the price.
Over here Corvette is not in the 'exotics' category.

 

[robfenn]

I also agree, i don't think there is a need to accuse him of being a forum troll. He was only defending his car, and the response is frankly child like from some Prime members.

 

[BD]

As a PROUD 40yr old 2005 C6 CORVETTE owner, i can tell you that the NSX gets its respect, but in my opinion the cars body style, while nice, is outdated looking.. And as far as filet Mignon/hamburger goes; what is all the hype about the NSX using todays standard..absolutely nothing. The NSX was ahead of its contemporaries years ago, when first released. Since then, it has actually lost ground to numerous cars performance wise. I went to at least 3 independent car review sites and the comparions betwen the 05 c6 corvette and the 05 NSX was a clean sweep in all categories for the vette. Lets compare: 1.( Price Vette 55k NSX 87k) (2.HP Vette 400 Acura 290) (Torque: vette 400 Acura 224/304) ( 0-60 vette 4.2-4.4 Acura 4.7-5.0) (1/4 mile Vette 12.3-12.8 Acura 13.4-13.5) the Vette even posted a MUCH better track time on the famed Nurenburg course. Heck the vette even gets better gas mileage 18/27 acura 17/24 Does the nsx come with navigation as an option? Exactly where is the NSX a better car? In what areas? Apadada, Maybe the NSX doesnt get enough respect because of attitudes like yours. I think a better comparision for the NSX would be my other car G35 Sport Coupe. My 05 AUTOMATIC(vette) ran 12.7-12.8 all day long in the hot July heat at (atco dragway nj) plus the car corners like its on a rail and stops on a dime. The vette is clearly the better bargain.The NSX is a wonderful car and so is the vette. Your hamburger comment was very distasteful. Just because your car is more expensive, and is produced in less quantity than the vette, doesnt it make it a better car.
05 C6 Corvette Z51
05 Infiniti G35 SportCoupe
03 Mitsubishi Spyder
94 Cutlass Convertible

FIrst off, none of cars listed above is better than the NSX in any way. And...

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-1218157444012227484&q=top+gear+corvette

15 years after the original NSX... still can't out drag the NSX...

Obviously, you have never own a NSX...

 

[schuey1010]

Who cares?

I bought the NSX for it's looks and style, not HP. I would care less if the Corvette had 1000 HP...i'll still pay more money for an NSX.

EXACTLY! I bought my NSX for looks alone. If it's dated as some say, well then I love my dated automobile.

Once again, who cares if a corvette is faster. Great. Let's just stop bickering this point over and over in sooo many posts. I am sure we all could have purchased a corvette if that is what we wanted.

Troll or no troll, who cares which car is faster? Just agree that the NSX is slow and the Corvette is faster. Who cares!

 

[spartan2-3]

Re: Who cares?

EXACTLY! I bought my NSX for looks alone. If it's dated as some say, well then I love my dated automobile.

Once again, who cares if a corvette is faster. Great. Let's just stop bickering this point over and over in sooo many posts. I am sure we all could have purchased a corvette if that is what we wanted.

Troll or no troll, who cares which car is faster? Just agree that the NSX is slow and the Corvette is faster. Who cares!

I also agree but you guys forgot to mention the "Handbuilt quality " of the NSX over the vette :tongue: ..All the vettes I've driven rattles. My 13 year old NSX shows build quality over a 3 year old vette :biggrin:.

 

[WingZ]

FIrst off, none of cars listed above is better than the NSX in any way. And...

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-1218157444012227484&q=top+gear+corvette

15 years after the original NSX... still can't out drag the NSX...

Obviously, you have never own a NSX...

That was sweeeeeet! I can't believe the Nsx out dragged the Corvette and the 911! That take off was awesome! It looks like off the line it beat everybody

 

[PLZ]

Lets stop pissing at one another and lets get straight to the facts: the C6 out accelerates, out brakes, out corners, has more top end, gets better gas mileage, comes with more options than the NSX. This is gonna sting , but what has happened with the NSX is Laziness. Nsx was close to the top(years ago) then it sat on lts laurels and did NOTHING for close to 13 years to significantly improve its car. That in effect has caused the NSX to become 2nd rate performance wise to a slew of new cars. Subaru Wrx STi, Mitsu EVolution, Dodge(the entire SRT8 Line Magnum, Charger, Challenger 300C) all with the SRT8 packag,e Cadillac the 430 hp ver(i believe XLR),BMW M5+6 and a slew of others ALL outperform the NSX. Now that is something to shake your head at as sad. (especially when 35-40k dodges are bested u) Corvette, has GREATLY improved the C6 over the old c5 PLATFORM. It can compete on even or better terms than any car in its class, even those several above. Fact is NSX allowed itself to let time go past . What serious upgrades has the car made in 12
+ years?? Its ok to love a car for whatever reason, but when you refer to C6 vettes as hamburger, and NSX's as Filet-Mignon. I'll guess I'll take 100% Grade A 95% Lean, FRESH USDA beef over 13 yr old hard, dried out , tough as leather, over cooked "filet-mignon" everyday of the week. Man it feels great to be knowing i have a 2006 Z06 on delivery in 3 weeks!! enjoy your car. i will be enjoying mine. Most important thing is safety. Lets not srteet race" In my opinion all owners of exotiics and potent sports cars should take some type of advanced driving course. PS most vette owners can easily afford an NSX Also. No big deal there.

Everyone is willing to concede that the new Corvette is the best **performance** value available today.

So why do used Ferrari 355s and Modenas still sell for 2x - 3x the price of a new Corvette?

Why do new Ferrari F430s sell for 4x - 5x the price of a new Corvette, when they're roughly equal in performance?

Why do people buy the Aston Martin DB9 at $160K when its performance can't match the new Corvette?

Why do new Maseratis sell for $20K more than a much faster new Corvette?

Why does a two year old NSX command a higher price used than a new 2006 Corvette?

When you finally figure out the answers to these questions, you'll understand what everyone else on this forum has been trying to tell you. If you can't figure out the answers to these questions, you'll never get it.

 

[Thanos]

Everyone is willing to concede that the new Corvette is the best **performance** value available today.

So why do used Ferrari 355s and Modenas still sell for 2x - 3x the price of a new Corvette?

Why do new Ferrari F430s sell for 4x - 5x the price of a new Corvette, when they're roughly equal in performance?

Why do people buy the Aston Martin DB9 at $160K when its performance can't match the new Corvette?

Why do new Maseratis sell for $20K more than a much faster new Corvette?

Why does a two year old NSX command a higher price used than a new 2006 Corvette?

When you finally figure out the answers to these questions, you'll understand what everyone else on this forum has been trying to tell you. If you can't figure out the answers to these questions, you'll never get it.

first, I was only responding to an accusation of the corvette being called "hamburger". Secondly, I joined this forum out of respect for the NSX platform(i visit several other car sites out of respect also). Just because I have "car A" doesnt mean that it is a better automobile than car "B" or car"C" or vice-versa. Seems to me that most people here are not being open-minded about other vehicles. That is understandable as this is a Acura site. At present, the c6 corvette is the superior sports car in almost every category, than the NSX. Fact! Ok most of you chose the NSX for looks and limited production. Where is it written that just because you see less Acura's than vettes, does it make it superior? I didnt see many Pantera's or Bricklins either(not very good cars). I didnt come to this site to make waves, but i will defend my position if i feel a need too. So, Iam being labeled a "troll" for making valid points, that i substantiated with facts. That must mean several people are not open-minded and very predjudicial. Another, fact is if Acura doesnt step it up the NSX will be reduced to nothing more than a "good looking" has been. Dont you Acura owners sense the urgency to upgrade your Flagship ? The NSX clearly deserves better than to just simply fade away. Bottom line is NSX IS Honda, Corvette is chevy. Buy what you like. Neither is a "super car"

 

[redshift]

first, I was only responding to an accusation of the corvette being called "hamburger".

Believe me, I don't think most PRIME members think the corvette is a hamburger. The vette is a VERY respectable sports car with a rich heritage. Many people buy that car for the same emotional reasons that we buy our beloved NSX - the Z06 just happens to be "king of the hill" at the moment.

Neither is a "super car"

I like to think that both are super cars. :smile:

 

[BD]

first, I was only responding to an accusation of the corvette being called "hamburger". Secondly, I joined this forum out of respect for the NSX platform(i visit several other car sites out of respect also). Just because I have "car A" doesnt mean that it is a better automobile than car "B" or car"C" or vice-versa. Seems to me that most people here are not being open-minded about other vehicles. That is understandable as this is a Acura site. At present, the c6 corvette is the superior sports car in almost every category, than the NSX. Fact! Ok most of you chose the NSX for looks and limited production. Where is it written that just because you see less Acura's than vettes, does it make it superior? I didnt see many Pantera's or Bricklins either(not very good cars). I didnt come to this site to make waves, but i will defend my position if i feel a need too. So, Iam being labeled a "troll" for making valid points, that i substantiated with facts. That must mean several people are not open-minded and very predjudicial. Another, fact is if Acura doesnt step it up the NSX will be reduced to nothing more than a "good looking" has been. Dont you Acura owners sense the urgency to upgrade your Flagship ? The NSX clearly deserves better than to just simply fade away. Bottom line is NSX IS Honda, Corvette is chevy. Buy what you like. Neither is a "super car"

I guess Ayrton Senna and Gordon Murray lied to the world when they called NSX "Super Car." Heck, you know better than those guys, after all, I'm sure you're a three times F1 world champ and designed the Mclaren F1/SLR.

It's not matter of "us deserves better," but a privilage of owning an NSX. People pay top dollors for a vintage Ferrari, much more than the current model and still consider vintage models are "better" simply because the history behind these cars. Corvette produced no major impact in the world of automobile simply becuase no one else in the world care for it. The new Z06 however, will most likely stire things up, but don't you think it came a little late, 15 years too late?

Sarcasm aside, you cannot go to some one's house and try to sell a product that no body want (In this house). Corvette is a fine car, it's just not a NSX. Don't be butt hurt, until you own a NSX, you will not understand why people love this car and willing to own one over a Corvette.

 

[Bob Kenney]

I just love cars and have since I bought my first one in the early 70's. We are all "car people" and share the love these mechanical marvels. They preform magic by moving us quickly and comfortably from one place to another, they lend themselves to our will, preforming tasks far beyond what we as individuals are capable of. They become a sort of an alter ego, an extension of self, reflecting to the world how we wish to be seen.
For some it is being the newest, fastest, most powerful; for other it is the balance of style, power, grace, and even elegance in the presentation. I respect every car that has raised the standard of performance. The mussel cars, the exotics, the ricers and all others. They are all expressions of our individuality and the right we have to express it.
It is true the NSX is aged and so am I, that may be why we are such a good fit. I work to keep in shape and have worked on my NSX's to keep them the same way. Are they world beaters? no; but they are very respectable when compared to any production car. They also represent what I would like to present to the world: balance and style.
I hope all of you find a car that fits you as well; and may that car bring you the satisfaction I found with the NSX.

Member in good standing of the FI Brotherhood:wink:
Bob

 

[apapada]

first, I was only responding to an accusation of the corvette being called "hamburger".

Sorry, but I will stick to my analogy and repeat myself by saying once again, that the corvette IS hamburger, a nice (good looks), juicy (affordable), filling (potent), common and cheap hamburger.

And the NSX is a succulent (super car), refined (exotic), 4oz (minimalistic), rare, expensive Filet Mignon. :tongue:

Sorry NSXprimers, but I just love pressing buttons on Trolls. And yes, when you go through the trouble to register specifically to go stir things just to create contreversy, this fits the definition of a troll.

 

[nchopp]

first, I was only responding to an accusation of the corvette being called "hamburger". Secondly, I joined this forum out of respect for the NSX platform(i visit several other car sites out of respect also). Just because I have "car A" doesnt mean that it is a better automobile than car "B" or car"C" or vice-versa. Seems to me that most people here are not being open-minded about other vehicles. That is understandable as this is a Acura site. At present, the c6 corvette is the superior sports car in almost every category, than the NSX. Fact! Ok most of you chose the NSX for looks and limited production. Where is it written that just because you see less Acura's than vettes, does it make it superior? I didnt see many Pantera's or Bricklins either(not very good cars). I didnt come to this site to make waves, but i will defend my position if i feel a need too. So, Iam being labeled a "troll" for making valid points, that i substantiated with facts. That must mean several people are not open-minded and very predjudicial. Another, fact is if Acura doesnt step it up the NSX will be reduced to nothing more than a "good looking" has been. Dont you Acura owners sense the urgency to upgrade your Flagship ? The NSX clearly deserves better than to just simply fade away. Bottom line is NSX IS Honda, Corvette is chevy. Buy what you like. Neither is a "super car"

Your idea of substantiating with facts is simply saying "Fact"? Whatever. The NSX and Corvette are two entirely different cars, meant for entirely different things. The Corvette is a mainstream sports car, meant to go like stink in the straightaways. The NSX is an exotic - meant to provide a completely different driving experience. You say you're being "labeled" a troll, but that's because it's precisely what you're doing. You join a forum for a car you don't even own to speak negatively of it. Sounds like the definition of trolling to me.

 

[PLZ]

first, I was only responding to an accusation of the corvette being called "hamburger". Secondly, I joined this forum out of respect for the NSX platform(i visit several other car sites out of respect also). Just because I have "car A" doesnt mean that it is a better automobile than car "B" or car"C" or vice-versa. Seems to me that most people here are not being open-minded about other vehicles. That is understandable as this is a Acura site. At present, the c6 corvette is the superior sports car in almost every category, than the NSX. Fact! Ok most of you chose the NSX for looks and limited production. Where is it written that just because you see less Acura's than vettes, does it make it superior? I didnt see many Pantera's or Bricklins either(not very good cars). I didnt come to this site to make waves, but i will defend my position if i feel a need too. So, Iam being labeled a "troll" for making valid points, that i substantiated with facts. That must mean several people are not open-minded and very predjudicial. Another, fact is if Acura doesnt step it up the NSX will be reduced to nothing more than a "good looking" has been. Dont you Acura owners sense the urgency to upgrade your Flagship ? The NSX clearly deserves better than to just simply fade away. Bottom line is NSX IS Honda, Corvette is chevy. Buy what you like. Neither is a "super car"

My point was not to denigrate the Corvette (how can calling the Corvette the "best performance value available today" be considered anything other than praise?) nor was it to label the NSX "superior" to the Corvette. The Corvette is clearly one of the most significant production sports cars ever made, for reasons too numerous to list here.

But clearly, while there are VERY FEW sports cars that outperform the new Corvette, there continue to be a large number of sports (and GT) cars that cost more than the new Corvette and continue to be purchased by willing buyers, despite not matching the Corvette's performance. The NSX is among this latter group.

Why is this?

 

[cfra7]

Believe me, I don't think most PRIME members think the corvette is a hamburger. The vette is a VERY respectable sports car with a rich heritage. Many people buy that car for the same emotional reasons that we buy our beloved NSX - the Z06 just happens to be "king of the hill" at the moment.

I like to think that both are super cars. :smile:

I like to think that the Ford GT is "king of the hill" for cars built in the USA. However, I agree that the Z06 is king of the under $100K hill. I smaller hill but still a nice hill.

 

[redshift]

I like to think that the Ford GT is "king of the hill" for cars built in the USA. However, I agree that the Z06 is king of the under $100K hill. I smaller hill but still a nice hill.

True, but as long as were talking USA cars, let's put the Saleen S7 on the top of the proverbial hill. :smile:

At 2950 lbs with 750 HP and 700 lb-ft, it might just be more kingly than the Ford GT.

 

[cfra7]

True, but as long as were talking USA cars, let's put the Saleen S7 on the top of the proverbial hill. :smile:

At 2950 lbs with 750 HP and 700 lb-ft, it might just be more kingly than the Ford GT.

Good point. How about: The Ford GT is King of the Hill for the Big 3 or; King of the Hill for US cars under $500K or; King of the Hill for any car in the world listing for less than $200K.

Now I would sell my NSX for a Ford GT in a second....

 

[Bob Kenney]

True, but as long as were talking USA cars, let's put the Saleen S7 on the top of the proverbial hill. :smile:

At 2950 lbs with 750 HP and 700 lb-ft, it might just be more kingly than the Ford GT.

I agree, the Saleen's specs are incredible but it is more like "King of the Mountain"; existing way up there in the rarefied air.

It is interesting to note that US Major players, Ford's GT, GM's Corvette and Chrysler's Viper, have taken notice of the sports car field and the associated "fame" that comes from producing these cars.

It will be great if Honda comes to the same conclusion and ups the level once again. Competition in the performance field between car manufactures is good, and we are the benefactors. Additionally we are the final judges rendering the verdict by where we will spend our money.

Long live the NSX and the contributions it has made to the performance car field and may it reappear to again raise the performance standard to whole new level:biggrin:

Bob

 

[Bob Kenney]

Good point. How about: The Ford GT is King of the Hill for the Big 3 or; King of the Hill for US cars under $500K or; King of the Hill for any car in the world listing for less than $200K.

Now I would sell my NSX for a Ford GT in a second....

I would not sell both my NSXs to have one but I might consider selling one to have a Ford GT, this car is definitely on the "To be acquired list"

Bob

 

[RyRy210]

For those new members that was not around when this article was 1st posted by science of speed.

People ask me why I'm on my 3rd NSX, and why I had to get a new 2005. Well, this article sums it all up. Enjoy!