NSX Design

[Zuerst]

Originally posted by nsxtasy:
It's not because it's by a 15 year old. It's because it's by an amateur.

After all, the students at the top college programs in industrial design are only a few years older than that. But instead of a drawing, they are trained to examine all the engineering that is needed for a design to be practical and feasible as well - and to do so at a level of detail that is highly unlikely from someone without such training.

If you would like to see just a little bit about what students in a good industrial design program are capable of, check out the new (October 14) AutoWeek and their description of the efforts of three students at the Detroit College of Creative Studies in a competition sponsored by the American Iron and Steel Institute. While you can read about the competition on the Institute's website here and see the models here (which you may or may not like), the AutoWeek article talks about how these students have engineered various components underneath the skin - with far more detail than is likely from a novice's design. By comparison, a design without such detail is indeed more akin to a doodle.

Yea, but here in this age where 11 year olds can go to college and many self tought musicans shine... etc, you can't just assume one's work inferior or insignificant just because one's age. A teenager may very well be fascinated with an task ever since he/she was a little because that's their parent's profession. And I know of many younger individuals who produce/achieve better product/success because of it, regardless of their age.

[This message has been edited by Zuerst (edited 10 October 2002).]

 

[Midnight_Raven]

Hey I think every one here would know that i won't waste my time drawing a car for 1 to 3 months. Gosh i have a life you know. I not going to waste it by making my picture perfect. It is a "Drawing". Sorry if you couldn't understand my explaination but it is not perfect it is a new idea as i would like to say. It is something new that still has a nsx look.

I should of put in the first post that i was hoping to submit a drawing that honda designers could build upon. Not use. Owell hopefully you understand my post.

Also i don't know but why would i get sued for by sumbitting a drawing of a car to honda. Its not like they or i am breaking a design law. The only person that could sue would be me or honda. No one else could cause they don't have a say in anything. I would also not sue honda and i don't think honda would sue either cause we both get something out of it. As you can see honda gets a design or drawing. I get a car. So why would honda sue if an agreement was made.

 

[nsxtasy]

Originally posted by Zuerst:
Yea, but here in this age where 11 year olds can go to college and many self tought musicans shine... etc, you can't just assume one's work inferior or insignificant just because one's age. A teenager may very well be fascinated with an task ever since he/she was a little because that's their parent's profession. And I know of many younger individuals who produce/achieve better product/success because of it, regardless of their age.

Zuerst,

You are confused. Re-read my post. It starts out, "It's not because it's by a 15 year old. It's because it's by an amateur." It explains that there is nothing inherently wrong with a design just because of the age of the person who created it - I made exactly the point that you are making when you think you are disagreeing with me! It goes on to point out how much training and education is needed for people (of ANY age) to know about all the engineering details and supporting analysis that must be included for the type of design that the industry requires.

 

[nsxtasy]

Originally posted by Midnight_Raven:
As you can see honda gets a design or drawing. I get a car.

Let me know if you ever figure out a scam whereby you get an expensive sports car in exchange for an hour or two of work. I want in on it.

 

[ck]

Give the kid a break. You guys are introducing him to the real world a little to harshly. Maybe Honda would consider his design, who knows? Anyways, I also second the notion that there won't be another NSX.

 

[Midnight_Raven]

Actually the time that i have been off line which is almost one hour i took up redrawing the nsx design. And wow it look way better than the one that i took 2 hours to do. I guess it was so quick since I already had a mental image of it. I also don't consider that a scam. It would sound reasonable. Have you ever heard the story of the guy who made hundreds of thousand or millions of dollars just by giving coca cola 2 short words.

(Story takes place during the 1950 {Not sure though})
Here is the story: One day some guy came to the coca cola factory and told them if they do exectly these two word that they would increase in profit. All they had to do is give him 10% of the money. They did what he said and they made money he made money now they are all happy. Want to know what those two words are "BOTTLE IT". Yep such a short sentence but hey it was a good idea.

Now that seems like it has nothing to do with my case but I saying even such a small not even detailed drawing could be the most helpful thing for honda, and for me.

 

[Zuerst]

Originally posted by nsxtasy:
Zuerst,

You are confused. Re-read my post. It starts out, "It's not because it's by a 15 year old. It's because it's by an amateur." It explains that there is nothing inherently wrong with a design just because of the age of the person who created it - I made exactly the point that you are making when you think you are disagreeing with me! It goes on to point out how much training and education is needed for people (of ANY age) to know about all the engineering details and supporting analysis that must be included for the type of design that the industry requires.

I think you are not getting what I'm saying. Say for example there's kid that is really talented at piano. His dad is a internationally recognized pianist. The dad teaches the talented kid who is also very passionate for music. That kid starts piano lesson at age of 3 with his dad, and he could very well be one of the best pianist when his becomes a teenager. Just because one is young, doesn't mean one is not experinced/trained and and an amateur at a task that might seen to take a long time to master.

And it is because the fact that Midnight_Raven is 15 years of age that some people automatically assume he's an amateur and is not capable of professional work.

 

[nsxtasy]

Originally posted by Midnight_Raven:
(Story takes place during the 1950 {Not sure though})
Here is the story: One day some guy came to the coca cola factory and told them if they do exectly these two word that they would increase in profit. All they had to do is give him 10% of the money. They did what he said and they made money he made money now they are all happy. Want to know what those two words are "BOTTLE IT". Yep such a short sentence but hey it was a good idea.

That sounds like one of those urban legends that make for entertaining stories but never turn out to be true.

Originally posted by Zuerst:
Just because one is young, doesn't mean one is not experinced/trained and and an amateur at a task that might seen to take a long time to master.

Which, again, is exactly what I said.

Originally posted by Zuerst:
And it is because the fact that Midnight_Raven is 15 years of age that some people automatically assume he's an amateur and is not capable of professional work.

Wrong again, Zuerst.

Check my posts again and you'll see that I responded (based on an opinion that he was an amateur and not capable of professional work) by providing information on how he could become a professional before he ever told us he is 15 years old.

I formed that opinion based on his original post, which showed lack of knowledge about how designs are developed and accepted by the car companies, which anyone with enough knowledge to be capable of professional work would already be familiar with.

 

[Zuerst]

The "doodle" comment is made AFTER Midnight_Raven revealed that he is only 15 of age. A person can very well produce professional grade product without knowing how to market them. Goes back to that little piano kid. He knows how to intrepret/perform a piece of music better then most, but he may not know of contest rules or how to publish his work properly. I simply think it is rude to dismiss one's work as a "doodle" based on one's age. And being that "doodle" comment was made by someone else, my orginial comment was directed at that someone. Why you take this so personally I do not understand.

But to response to you, yes, based on Raven's original post it seems his not familir with the process require to develop and imploy a design. I myself, think that he was an amateur at such process too, but it does not take away from the actual design he has done granted someone who is not familir with the process would probably not know to consider all aspects to a car design, however, there are exceptions.

 

[gheba_nsx]

You know? There is a whole section dedicated to Coke related urban legends...
http://www.snopes.com/cokelore/cokelore.asp

 

[frunobulax]

it's good to be enthusiastic about your designs and design talents. but i can tell you from unfortunate experience that it takes more than a brilliant design to get a car (or just about anything) into production, especially considering that car companies spend upwards of $1-2 Billion (with a capital B) to bring a new (high-volume production) car online.

i had planned to take on the world with my jet designs, and i even got a job in an aircraft design group of "a major defense contractor", as they say on wheel of fortune. as it turns out, the success of your designs depends mostly on luck, timing, and who your patron/mentor might be. and you need lots of political savvy to make it all happen for you. i don't work there any more.

all that said, you still have to show em something good to get in the door, so i count myself amongst the best to have had even an opportunity to work in a place like that. interest and enthusiasm count for much, no matter what you're doing, and it never hurts to want to be the best. niki lauda said (obviously before working at jaguar!) that his success depended on hard work, perseverance, and "not a little perfectionism."

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[huckster]

find a mentor---try to find someone who is already in the business who will talk to you. develop the relationship--most people like to talk about what they do, although they may not be able to share all the details. when the time is right they will want you to show them what you have learned.

 

[Midnight_Raven]

Actually the story is true I got it off my like 40 to 50 year old teacher. He knows some good amount of stuff since he travels a bit. So no the story is true and it could happen.

Also thanks you guys for being supportive and helpful. Also i know it is not that easy to do a new design, just wanted to know what you guys think honda would do in this type of situation, with a great design. I don't care about all that techinacal stuff. I just want to know what honda would do at that moment when i call em or email them and show them a picture, that they might consider great. But anyways thanks alot.

Also I have one more question. The carrear that i want to actually go to has to do with designs but not cars. I want to be an architect. I just wanted to know if i would be able to buy the nsx after how much years into this buisness. Also wanted to know that if i were to go into the car design buisness. Do you get hired immediately or just hope that you get picked by someone.

Also i hope to by a scanner soon so i can post pics of drawings.

 

[BostonNSX]

I've done some sketches too.. I've been dreaming about working at Pininfarina..

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