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Is President Bush America's Biggest Gas Guzzler? By JENNIFER LOVEN, AP

WASHINGTON (Aug. 24) - Getting President Bush from here to there consumes an enormous amount of fuel, whether he's aboard Air Force One, riding in a helicopter or on the ground in a heavily armored limousine. The bill gets steeper every day as the White House is rocked by the same energy prices as regular drivers. Taxpayers still foot the bill.

Almost every vehicle Bush uses is custom-made to add security and communications capabilities, and the heavier weight of these guzzlers further drives up gas and jet fuel costs.

The White House declines to discuss travel costs related to the presidential entourage, and did not respond to a request for the overall effect of higher fuel prices on its budget.

It is not Bush's choice to be ferried around in a less than fuel-efficient manner. Those arrangements are dictated by tradition and the Secret Service, whose mission is to protect him.

But Bush is one of the nation's most-traveled presidents.
He has visited 46 countries, some of them several times, during his presidency. He has been to all states except Vermont and Rhode Island.
So far this year, he has made 73 domestic and foreign trips, including crisscrossing the country on a 60-day, 60-city tour to promote his Social Security plan. He was on the road Wednesday, speaking to a military audience in Idaho, before returning to his Texas ranch to resume his summer vacation.

About the only vehicle Bush has much say in is the 2001 white Ford F250 pickup he keeps on his ranch. At the nationwide gasoline average of $2.61 a gallon, it would cost at least $75 to fill the Ford's tank. The 1999 four-wheel-drive model gets 13 miles per gallon in the city, 17 on the highway, according to an Energy Department Web site, http://www.fueleconomy.gov.

But much as he seems to relish any chance to get behind the wheel, Bush actually drives the pickup very little, confined as he is to only occasional visits to his ranch and to remaining on its 1,600 acres when he's driving himself.

Elsewhere, whether in Washington, Des Moines or Tbilisi, Bush is driven in a large motorcade. The typical presidential caravan has well over a dozen vehicles, including Bush's limousine and an identical limo put in as a decoy.
The motorcade generally doesn't cruise placidly at fuel-efficient speeds, but rather hurries along its route as fast as possible. It also often idles outside while Bush is at an event, burning up fuel but ready to depart at a moment's notice.

The president's limos alone consume lots of gas.

Starting with his inaugural in January, Bush began tooling around in new 2006 Cadillac DTS limos.

The full-sized luxury sedan version, available to the general public, has an 18-gallon tank that would cost about $47 to fill at that $2.61-a-gallon rate. (White House vehicles are fueled at a special, dedicated facility and the price paid per gallon there is not released.) Cadillac spokesman Kevin Smith said the Cadillac DTS sedan gets 18 mpg in the city, 27 on the highway.

The vehicle Bush uses is a much different animal - with different gas mileage. An outside company customizes the DTS for presidential use by "stretching'' it to limo length, adding bulletproof glass, heavy armor and other bells and whistles - all making it significantly heavier and less fuel-efficient, Smith said.
The same thing for the Chevrolet Suburbans that are sometimes used as limo substitutes. The mass-marketed 2005 K1500 Suburban would cost nearly $81 to fill up with its large 31-gallon tank. It gets 15 mpg in the city, 19 on the highway, according to http://www.fueleconomy.gov. But it's not clear exactly which trim model of Suburban Bush uses, and his are custom-fitted with extra gear that would reduce the gas mileage.

In the air, Bush most often flies on a Boeing 747-200B laden with, among other things, an anti-missile system. Like gas for cars, fuel costs for the largest plane in the Air Force One fleet have gone up dramatically - from $3,974 an hour in fiscal 2004 to $6,029 per hour now, according to the Air Force.

John Armbrust, publisher of Jet Fuel Report, said Air Force One is no different from its commercial counterparts in that respect.

"It's an expensive proposition to fly these planes, whether its Air Force One or a regular 747,'' he said.

Reducing his appearances outside the White House and making other gestures toward fuel conservation could help cut down on costs.
But some suggest that could do more harm for national morale and Bush's image than good for the financial bottom line.

Remember Jimmy Carter donning a sweater and asking Americans facing an energy crisis to turn down their thermostats? Or giving the speech about the nation's "crisis of confidence'' that led to his permanent association with "malaise?'' Carter's critics turned both utterances into emblems that contributed to his political undoing.

08/24/05 21:24 EDT

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Re: How Ironic

Yellow Rose said:
That is true for NSX owners, but for a large part of the country that $6 or $7 dollars a tank is not so easy for them.

And the irony here is that the very first post in this thread complaining about gasoline prices is from.............an NSX owner. :rolleyes:

Well, some of us don't have your deep pockets. :rolleyes: Besides, we are on a NSX site... who do you think would be the first one to complain? - A firebird owner? :rolleyes: I don't see anyone standing up and saying we should be paying more! :rolleyes:
 
Be Careful What You Assume

Well, some of us don't have your deep pockets. :rolleyes:

How do you measure my "deep pockets"? Judging from your avatar, I see a newly constructed two story (?) home vs my thirty year old one story home. Your assumption that I have "deep pockets" is fatally flawed. I wish you were wrong :smile: but you are not.

Besides, we are on a NSX site... who do you think would be the first one to complain? - A firebird owner? :rolleyes:

Ahh, got me there.....but you are still complaining about something that is out of your control. :mad:

I don't see anyone standing up and saying we should be paying more! :rolleyes:

Of course you don't. But the reality of global economics and the laws of supply-n-demand is that we WILL be paying more as time goes on. Adjust your household budget accordingly and be prepared as gasoline prices rise.......oh, posting how upset you are about high fuel costs won't help that matter. :biggrin:
 
Re: Be Careful What You Assume

Yellow Rose said:
Ahh, got me there.....but you are still complaining about something that is out of your control. :mad:

If it was in my control, I would fix it. It is in none of our control. We can't do anything about it. It's not like we can just stop buying gas. I have done my part by car pooling the last 5 months. I am sure you know that. :biggrin:

Our silly governor here made everyone take 2 days off school to save fuel for school busses. What a tool. Now, 2 days after that, prices have gone up 60 cents a gallon. Great job! That was really effective!
 
I am buying a Hummer in protest! :mad:

6-7 dollars a week is not a huge increase, but my wife drives a whole tank of gas everyday in our Touareg. last year when we bought the Touareg it was a little less than 50 bucks to fill it up now it is more than 60 bucks.

The real shocker was when I had the heating oil tanks filled at the apartments. That bill about knocked me off my feet.
 
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Armando
 
Two Things

If it was in my control, I would fix it.

How? Wait, let me go get some popcorn and soda…..this will be quite entertaining. :tongue:

It is in none of our control.

Precisely my point.....thus why threads like this are useless wastes of bandwidth. That is, unless, you have a solution to the above question.
 
If it were up to me I would have wiped the middle east out by now. Free gas for every country who would support me. Free ass whipping to anyone who opposes.
 
if you don't like the gas prices, you could always quit driving! :biggrin:
 
NetViper said:
Well, someone obviously owns stock in oil. You are the only one happy about this. At least you won't be spending any of that gas in your NSX.... then again, neither will I.


energy has done quite well this year. i've been trading a couple of little drillers and they've done nicely. options on XOM have been paying the bills. :biggrin:
 
DrVolkl said:
Except that we're buying the gas that was made from oil purchased a year or more ago for quite a bit less. They're making bank....Bush is lining the pockets of all his Saudi buddies and oil friends. Pretty damn sickening.

what is sickening is that you don't understand that it is the demand of the population that keeps the price of oil so high. anyone here take economics?

on that note, i'm going to speed home with my a/c blazing and fill my NSX up so you can bicker some more.
 
Our gasoline inventories actually rose sharply the last two weeks per EIA.

week 9/12-9/16 increase of 3.4mil barrels,
week 9/19-9/23 increase of additional 4.4mil barrels.

Unfortunately oil/gas companies do take advantage of consumers.

Oil companies have had record profit recently which shows the higher increase passed on to the customer.

Even as their overall profits have soared, major oil companies are earning about 8.7 percent profit margin. As oil cost more per barrel the margin doesnt move much so they make more per barrel which ultimately comes from the consumer.

Royalties and taxes do increase for the oil Co's but not much considering all the record profit reports they are all providing.

Would be nice if they gave us a break and lowered the "8.7%" for us.

Ha! :wink:

-j-
 
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Exploitation

Unfortunately oil / gas companies do take advantage of consumers.

FBS! Don't like the price? Don't buy the product.

Reminds me of a radio talk show a few years ago, where there was the "complaint" of how much lap dances cost at the gentlemen's clubs. Armando - I think it was you that began the complaint.

It boiled down to this.

The patrons were complaining about how much a lap dance was going for.....twenty to forty bucks a pop. The men guests on the talk show were lamenting that they were being exploited for their money by the pretty girls. The lady guests were countering that in fact, the men were exploiting them of their sensual body shape.

Point-counter-point.

Don't like gasoline prices? Ride a bike. Don't like to sweat? Shut up already.
 
I can see where netviper is coming from. I do not like see gas prices going up but I WANT to drive so I pay the price, but what about the people that need to drive for a living. (truckers, police department, taxis, airplanes etc). They can only absorb the extra cost to a certain point then they will be forced to raise prices, the rise in fuel costs will/have dominoed prices across the board on everything. Inflation will rise dramatically and a recession may take place. Governments need to take action. I am fornuate to live in place (Alberta, Canada) where we export alot more oil than we consume. With oil prices being so high. My province is having a record surplus budget and the standard of living is going up. Umemployment rates are at an all time low thanks to the boom in the oil patch. The provincial government has even promised to give each Albertan a $400 cheque. Sure that $400 cheque may seem great, but what happens when the price of food starts to climb and the people just scraping by cannot afford food? I think there is a huge picture that needs to looked at here.
 
Re: Exploitation

Yellow Rose said:
Unfortunately oil / gas companies do take advantage of consumers.

FBS! Don't like the price? Don't buy the product.

If you read and understood my post it was just an economic explanation of current inventories and oil costs and why prices are so high.

Not a ranting of "this is bullsh!t".

Fortunately, most of us that can afford the NSX can say "dont like it, don't buy it" !!

But it's the truck drivers, cab drivers, and the rest of the people who survive by their vehicles that are the ones really suffering, not us.

And yes, I agree someone that makes $8 and hour and drives a Yukon need not complain.

Also to compare gasoline to Vodka ,Coke, and lap dances, while a funny comparison, is not reality. These are not necessary for our economy(OK-Vodka-maybe, and Patron here-n-there :smile: ).

-jim-
 
Interesting.....

And yes, I agree someone that makes $8 and hour and drives a Yukon need not complain.

.....how does someone that makes $8 an hour afford a Yukon? :confused: If they can afford the Yukon (that gets less gas mileage than an NSX, me thinks) they can afford the gasoline. If not, buy a bike. :mad:

Face it people.........fuel prices are going up until the end of time - stop bitching about it and adjust your lifestyle accordingly. For example, we installed double-pane tinted windows and upgraded to a better SEER air conditioning unit at our home this year, and the electricity bill has dropped by 25% !!!!!

That, my friends is being pro-active against rising fuel prices, doing something about it and not whining about "oh poor me, gas is too high." I, like you, wish for the days when gasoline was $1.25 (I remember as a kid when it was something like thirty cents) but the reality of it is that those days are long gone.
 
NetViper said:
These people are criminals!!!!!!!

We have gas at $3.34 a gallon today! That does not include the 15 cent gas tax that our Georgia governor suspended for september. WTF!!! Come Saturday, it will be $3.49!!!! Savannah is not even effected by the damaged pipelines from Katrina! Gas was $2.89 yesterday!!! CRIMINALS! :mad:

This country is heading for a recession BIG TIME if something isn't done.

I was in Columbus, GA on Wednesday and Thursday and very suprised that gas prices were higher then her in NJ/PA. As you said the prices in GA went up overnite - at least 20 cent increase in Columbus on Tuesday night), yet elswhere (like NJ/PA/NY) the prices have stayed put or have been dropping a couple pennies every few days.

What is going on in GA to cause prices to rise there yet fall elswhere?
 
TonyD said:
What is going on in GA to cause prices to rise there yet fall elswhere?

Nothing that I am aware of. It is insane. I watched a totally worthless story on the news last night about gas prices. It did not once say why GA prices are so high. On top of that, today is the last day of no state tax on gas. So, come midnight, gas will be 15 cents higher again!!! GA is getting SCREWED. :mad:
 
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