Helmet cam. Haven't seen that in F-1. Wonder why they used it? Maybe Flippy got the new GoPro to try out? 
More head tilting in corners than I expected.
More head tilting in corners than I expected.
F1 2009 megathread
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Re: Hey Shawn, how's the deal coming along?
Ponyboy posted a month ago:
I'm booking my flight to Australia as we speak. :wink:
Ponyboy posted a month ago:
You all partnered up with VMK Racing? :biggrin: Can I just give you my credit card numbers?
I'm booking my flight to Australia as we speak. :wink:
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These former world champions are entered in Finland’s Arctic Lapland Rally later this month. I'm surprised Ferrari would let Kimi enter the rally. I guess bouncing off a snow bank in finland is a lot easier on the body than some other activities that they could be engaged in.
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i still think F1 in 2004 was the fastest year to date :biggrin:
Re: Keeping Kimi safe..........
from himself; that's the challenge, isn't it?
If we believe 1/10 of what we hear, Kimi's other activities would be bouncing off the walls or down the stairs of some pub? :biggrin: What do the Fins back home think?
I too am surprised but glad they don't mind him doing that. If I were king, racers would be allowed and would want to be more more like the legends of the '60's and 70's who raced anything and everything.
from himself; that's the challenge, isn't it?
If we believe 1/10 of what we hear, Kimi's other activities would be bouncing off the walls or down the stairs of some pub? :biggrin: What do the Fins back home think?
I too am surprised but glad they don't mind him doing that. If I were king, racers would be allowed and would want to be more more like the legends of the '60's and 70's who raced anything and everything.
Things are looking up, Ted. I'm shipping my NSX to Brackley so we can test the wind tunnel and begin partial development of a full line of carbon aero parts. We'll probably copy what every one else does (like everyone else) but the empirical data could be quite revealing.
In addition, the Honda F1 engineering crew is already fabbing up motor mounts and specing a transmission so we can all mount our NSX engines longitudinally. And we've got some interesting options for engine swaps as well.
Kimi's got a pretty good history of "bouncing:"
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Toyota released the TF109 today. Which reminded me that Honda gave Brackley until the end of January to find a buyer...and it's Jan. 15th.:frown:
Re: The Kimster; worth every penny?
You don't suppose alcohol was involved, do you? :wink:
Here's an article about Kimi protecting himself.
http://www.grandprix.com/ft/ft21109.html
We'll see what he does with an all new handling car. By June it might be time to start the transition and bring Fred into the Red fold next year. :tongue:
His reflexes didn't look like they were worth $50 mill in that video.
You don't suppose alcohol was involved, do you? :wink:Here's an article about Kimi protecting himself.
http://www.grandprix.com/ft/ft21109.html
We'll see what he does with an all new handling car. By June it might be time to start the transition and bring Fred into the Red fold next year. :tongue:
So Ron Dennis is stepping down over at Macca. Pseudo surprising.
http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/72820
On another note, the MP4-24 is gorgeous. I'm really digging the new aero package (sans ginormous front wing).
http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/72820
On another note, the MP4-24 is gorgeous. I'm really digging the new aero package (sans ginormous front wing).
Re: Time to check in and see what's going on
with Honda.
Hmmmmmmm, absolutely nothing. No news is bad news. :frown:
OK, time to organize my sock drawer. {Yawn}
with Honda.
Hmmmmmmm, absolutely nothing. No news is bad news. :frown:
OK, time to organize my sock drawer. {Yawn}
They do make 'em pretty, don't they?
Tech analysis of the R29
Almost immediately after Williams unveiled their new car in the Portuguese pitlane, Renault rolled their absolutely horridly ugly R29 in front of the disgusted and gag-reflexed media.
In what can be only be described with a completely generous term: the car is "striking" with a new but repulsive livery and an aggressive shape; the new car is a further departure for the team from the gorgeous blue and yellow of it's championship years. Another apparent feature is the nose treatment and also the extraordinary sidepod exits.
If you close your eyes and imagine the car in it's former beauty, you'll see the new nosecone arrangement takes some ideas from last's year scalloped undernose and applies them to the FIA neutral middle wing element.
In order to make this fixed aerofoil section add downforce, Renault have added a bulged nose area just above and behind it, taking the nose to its maximum width and filling in the space behind the front wing mounts.
In doing this, the team have chosen a Venturi section to create low pressure and thus downforce over the front axle, an area that might otherwise create lift.
Like all teams bar McLaren, a two-element front wing then mounts the nose, with quite large endplates aimed at diverting the airflow off the front face of the tyre to reduce drag.
Around the front of the sidepods, Renault have yet to fit a bargeboard or pod wing, while their front splitter treatment is typical of the other, but completely better looking, 2009 cars, with a lip running on the edge of the splitter. Renault maintain their practice of extending the vertical splitter between the floor and the raised nose as far forward as the front wheels. "It's looks like horse shit but it works in the wind tunnel, exclaims an unnamed Renault insider.
For the balance of the sidepods, the revolting R29 features deeply undercut sidepod fronts, with extra cooling inlets for the Magneti Marelli KERS system. Then the sidepods fold into the coke bottle area to form an extreme shape for the cooling exit.
As there is no cooling exit on the top part of the sidepod (although the rules allow for one), the exit area is entirely made up by the widening of the coke bottle shape nestling in between the rear suspension. More cooling outlet area is afforded by a exit atop the gearbox.
Above this area Renault have fitted a shark fin top body, like Toyota did on Sunday.
At the very rear of the car the diffuser and rear crash structure follow normal practice, while it appears the rear damper layout has been changed to alter the orientation of the torsion bars, thereby mounting the dampers lower down inside the titanium gearbox casing. "I'ma smiling nowa, but befora desa pictures, I puked on des car. Looks bueno...sorta...ok, not really," states ex-F1 champion and #1 Renault driver, Fernando Alfonso.
Almost immediately after Williams unveiled their new car in the Portuguese pitlane, Renault rolled their absolutely horridly ugly R29 in front of the disgusted and gag-reflexed media.
In what can be only be described with a completely generous term: the car is "striking" with a new but repulsive livery and an aggressive shape; the new car is a further departure for the team from the gorgeous blue and yellow of it's championship years. Another apparent feature is the nose treatment and also the extraordinary sidepod exits.
If you close your eyes and imagine the car in it's former beauty, you'll see the new nosecone arrangement takes some ideas from last's year scalloped undernose and applies them to the FIA neutral middle wing element.
In order to make this fixed aerofoil section add downforce, Renault have added a bulged nose area just above and behind it, taking the nose to its maximum width and filling in the space behind the front wing mounts.
In doing this, the team have chosen a Venturi section to create low pressure and thus downforce over the front axle, an area that might otherwise create lift.
Like all teams bar McLaren, a two-element front wing then mounts the nose, with quite large endplates aimed at diverting the airflow off the front face of the tyre to reduce drag.
Around the front of the sidepods, Renault have yet to fit a bargeboard or pod wing, while their front splitter treatment is typical of the other, but completely better looking, 2009 cars, with a lip running on the edge of the splitter. Renault maintain their practice of extending the vertical splitter between the floor and the raised nose as far forward as the front wheels. "It's looks like horse shit but it works in the wind tunnel, exclaims an unnamed Renault insider.
For the balance of the sidepods, the revolting R29 features deeply undercut sidepod fronts, with extra cooling inlets for the Magneti Marelli KERS system. Then the sidepods fold into the coke bottle area to form an extreme shape for the cooling exit.
As there is no cooling exit on the top part of the sidepod (although the rules allow for one), the exit area is entirely made up by the widening of the coke bottle shape nestling in between the rear suspension. More cooling outlet area is afforded by a exit atop the gearbox.
Above this area Renault have fitted a shark fin top body, like Toyota did on Sunday.
At the very rear of the car the diffuser and rear crash structure follow normal practice, while it appears the rear damper layout has been changed to alter the orientation of the torsion bars, thereby mounting the dampers lower down inside the titanium gearbox casing. "I'ma smiling nowa, but befora desa pictures, I puked on des car. Looks bueno...sorta...ok, not really," states ex-F1 champion and #1 Renault driver, Fernando Alfonso.
Tech Analysis of the FW31
At the first test of the year, Williams unveiled their definitive 2009 car, the FW31.
Having already run a 2009 wing and diffuser package as well as their flywheel-based KERS system in winter testing, the team are ahead on their development for 2009, hence their car appears simple, but very well detailed.
It strikes similar design chords with other cars seen so far, but with a striking nose treatment and shapely sidepods.
The most immediate feature when looking at the new car is the pelican-billed nosecone. The bulged undernose shape sits above the FIA-mandated central wing section which, along with the two strakes along the side of the nose, encourages low air pressure under the nose to add downforce.
Beneath the new nose is the front wing, which is quite well developed as to be expected from one of the first teams to run a '09 wing package.
The wing's outer spans drop either side of the FIA central template section and kick up noticeably at their tips. This step between the different wing heights is separated by a fence under the wing, which keeps the pressure different between the two sides.
As with most of their cars, Williams use a single element flap that is adjustable, with the six degrees of movement marked with white lines on the endplate. These sleek endplates finish the front wing package, with a lateral plate to send flow around the wheels. Mounted to the endplate is a cascade element to add more downforce.
While the nose grabs the attention, the sidepods are a logical take on the demands of the new rules. Following BMW Sauber's interim car, Williams take the shoulder line high before sweeping in over the exhaust\cooling outlet to form a very tight coke bottle shape. Cooling at the end of the sidepod is allowed by a narrow exit that tapers out at the floor, aided by another exit above the gearbox.
Teams appear to be split on the adoption of pod wings: Williams have decided to fit their mounting to the axe head on the floor, in close proximity to the small bargeboard. As with McLaren, the splitter beneath the nose features a T-shaped lip to direct the airflow above and below the floor.
One unusual feature of the car is the top body's airbox inlet. Last year, Williams aped Ferrari's design and split the inlet between feeding the airbox and the hydraulics' cooler.
This year Williams have made the top inlet just an engine airbox feed, and now cool the hydraulics via two small scoops inlet into the top of the engine cover.
Williams are well known to have their own KERS technology using flywheels to store the energy,the flywheel mated to a second motor\generator (MGU). When the primary MGU charges the system under braking, the second MGU acts as a motor to put this energy by spinning up the flywheel.
When being used as a power boost, the two MGUs reverse their functions: the second MGU generating power from the flywheel and sending it to the primary MGU to power the rear wheels.
At the first test of the year, Williams unveiled their definitive 2009 car, the FW31.
Having already run a 2009 wing and diffuser package as well as their flywheel-based KERS system in winter testing, the team are ahead on their development for 2009, hence their car appears simple, but very well detailed.
It strikes similar design chords with other cars seen so far, but with a striking nose treatment and shapely sidepods.
The most immediate feature when looking at the new car is the pelican-billed nosecone. The bulged undernose shape sits above the FIA-mandated central wing section which, along with the two strakes along the side of the nose, encourages low air pressure under the nose to add downforce.
Beneath the new nose is the front wing, which is quite well developed as to be expected from one of the first teams to run a '09 wing package.
The wing's outer spans drop either side of the FIA central template section and kick up noticeably at their tips. This step between the different wing heights is separated by a fence under the wing, which keeps the pressure different between the two sides.
As with most of their cars, Williams use a single element flap that is adjustable, with the six degrees of movement marked with white lines on the endplate. These sleek endplates finish the front wing package, with a lateral plate to send flow around the wheels. Mounted to the endplate is a cascade element to add more downforce.
While the nose grabs the attention, the sidepods are a logical take on the demands of the new rules. Following BMW Sauber's interim car, Williams take the shoulder line high before sweeping in over the exhaust\cooling outlet to form a very tight coke bottle shape. Cooling at the end of the sidepod is allowed by a narrow exit that tapers out at the floor, aided by another exit above the gearbox.
Teams appear to be split on the adoption of pod wings: Williams have decided to fit their mounting to the axe head on the floor, in close proximity to the small bargeboard. As with McLaren, the splitter beneath the nose features a T-shaped lip to direct the airflow above and below the floor.
One unusual feature of the car is the top body's airbox inlet. Last year, Williams aped Ferrari's design and split the inlet between feeding the airbox and the hydraulics' cooler.
This year Williams have made the top inlet just an engine airbox feed, and now cool the hydraulics via two small scoops inlet into the top of the engine cover.
Williams are well known to have their own KERS technology using flywheels to store the energy,the flywheel mated to a second motor\generator (MGU). When the primary MGU charges the system under braking, the second MGU acts as a motor to put this energy by spinning up the flywheel.
When being used as a power boost, the two MGUs reverse their functions: the second MGU generating power from the flywheel and sending it to the primary MGU to power the rear wheels.
Re: Guess the spirit of Hunter Thompson didn't die
when he did. :biggrin:
I haven't read scathing humor about an innocuous subject like that since Hunter covered the McGovern campaign. :tongue:
when he did. :biggrin:
I haven't read scathing humor about an innocuous subject like that since Hunter covered the McGovern campaign. :tongue:
Re: Guess the spirit of Hunter Thompson didn't die
Really? I thought the author was being very charitable.
That said, I've come to terms with my fanship of certain aspects of F1. I now realize that part of why I enjoy the sport so much is b/c of the aesthetic design of the cars. Call me crazy.
Really? I thought the author was being very charitable.
That said, I've come to terms with my fanship of certain aspects of F1. I now realize that part of why I enjoy the sport so much is b/c of the aesthetic design of the cars. Call me crazy.
Re: Time to check in and see what's going on
http://www.grandprix.com/mole/mole21122.html
Well, not even the Mole can come up with anything that we didn't already know; he runs out of ideas before he runs out of column length, so he has to ramble on about the Stig; like anyone cares about that.
I can hear Jay Leno now, (adjusting tie); "The economy's lookin' bad, Kev, real bad.........it's so bad that Honda F-1 can't even give away sponsor space." (Queue laugh sign) "and the cars look bad too.......so bad, no one wants to be seen on them." (more laughter)
Me? I'm queing up the old Don Meredith Monday night football rendition of "Turn out the Lights, the party's over........." :redface:
http://www.grandprix.com/mole/mole21122.html
Well, not even the Mole can come up with anything that we didn't already know; he runs out of ideas before he runs out of column length, so he has to ramble on about the Stig; like anyone cares about that.
I can hear Jay Leno now, (adjusting tie); "The economy's lookin' bad, Kev, real bad.........it's so bad that Honda F-1 can't even give away sponsor space." (Queue laugh sign) "and the cars look bad too.......so bad, no one wants to be seen on them." (more laughter)
Me? I'm queing up the old Don Meredith Monday night football rendition of "Turn out the Lights, the party's over........." :redface:
Dude, I know. My guess is that Honda is vetting the potentials and the list of buyers is quickly dwindling.
They've got a couple of weeks but, really, outside of wishing the best for Button and Rubens, I really don't care since Honda as a company isn't involved anymore.
They've got a couple of weeks but, really, outside of wishing the best for Button and Rubens, I really don't care since Honda as a company isn't involved anymore.
Re: Ross and his team have my support
so I'm actually glad to see them get out of the way :smile: and I'm really hoping Ross and his team has a chance to show what they can do. 
Got it. But my position has been that Honda as a company has been the problem,
so I'm actually glad to see them get out of the way :smile: and I'm really hoping Ross and his team has a chance to show what they can do. 
Now Toyota is accusing Ferrari being illegal for exposed exhaust pipes.
Re: All over in 6 days
<Yawn> Well, here we are; final week til we get closure; no, not Honda, since no one cares anymore, even though the Honda set deadline for Ponyboy's deal is Saturday. But the Superbowl and those cool Budlight ads; seen those sneaks? :tongue: ..................opps, wrong thread. :redface:
Soooooooooo, how about Bourdais? they confirmed him at STR yet? Rumors earlier last week were pointing to him earning his keep by selling a bunch of Red Bull in France, but I don't see anything yet. F-1 needs to keep the SeaBass quota up, doncha think?
<Yawn> Well, here we are; final week til we get closure; no, not Honda, since no one cares anymore, even though the Honda set deadline for Ponyboy's deal is Saturday. But the Superbowl and those cool Budlight ads; seen those sneaks? :tongue: ..................opps, wrong thread. :redface:
Soooooooooo, how about Bourdais? they confirmed him at STR yet? Rumors earlier last week were pointing to him earning his keep by selling a bunch of Red Bull in France, but I don't see anything yet. F-1 needs to keep the SeaBass quota up, doncha think?
Re: All over in 6 days
...even though the Honda set deadline for Ponyboy's deal is Saturday...[/url]
The closer the finished deal is to the deadline, the better deal I get. Don't rush me, Ted, or I'll get Sato to take your #2 driver spot.
I'm fairly sure he was confirmed last week?
Re: This just in
Here's what Yahoo F-1 had to say:
http://www.eurosport.yahoo.com/27012009/58/honda-play-deadline-talk.html
Here's what Yahoo F-1 had to say:
http://www.eurosport.yahoo.com/27012009/58/honda-play-deadline-talk.html
Re: Here's a "Gotcha"
On the GP Update site there's a small window that says:
After that my thought was: "Insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and hoping for a different result." (Just a reflection on mother Honda's current approach to F-1 racing, nothing more)
Maybe it's just me. Click this and see if you get anything. http://dreams.honda.com/home/#/feature_fa
On the GP Update site there's a small window that says:
So, like a dumb shit I click on it and a black screen with the Honda logo comes up and a spinning cursor indicating it's loading.....and loading............ 15 minutes later, still nothing. OK, I get the point. :wink:
After that my thought was: "Insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and hoping for a different result."
(Just a reflection on mother Honda's current approach to F-1 racing, nothing more)Maybe it's just me. Click this and see if you get anything. http://dreams.honda.com/home/#/feature_fa
Re: And if you believe this............
have I got a deal for you. :wink:
It's amazing how all the varieties of chaos in the world (not just racing and the economy) have come together to repackage an old rumor in what appears to be a brand new wrapper. Memories are short in cyber space, aren't they.
Well yesterday this drivel popped out and I chuckled.
But today, the fantasy gets better; now they're saying because GoDaddy is rumored to own? or connected with usf1.com domain, they must be the sponsors backing the team and......well, of course Danicles will just have to drive and ............won't she be spectacular.
Well, it goes to show, yes, you can make this stuff up.
Oh wait, maybe Shawn's about to make the big announcement !!!:tongue:
{mumble, cough} Jeez, I got a find a more challenging job.
have I got a deal for you. :wink:
It's amazing how all the varieties of chaos in the world (not just racing and the economy) have come together to repackage an old rumor in what appears to be a brand new wrapper. Memories are short in cyber space, aren't they.
Well yesterday this drivel popped out and I chuckled.
But today, the fantasy gets better; now they're saying because GoDaddy is rumored to own? or connected with usf1.com domain, they must be the sponsors backing the team and......well, of course Danicles will just have to drive and ............won't she be spectacular.
Well, it goes to show, yes, you can make this stuff up.
Oh wait, maybe Shawn's about to make the big announcement !!!:tongue:
{mumble, cough} Jeez, I got a find a more challenging job.
http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/73187
"90 per cent of the technology that exists in F1 comes from the US anyway," he said.
Like What?
"90 per cent of the technology that exists in F1 comes from the US anyway," he said.
Like What?
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