Drive Belts

Joined
27 August 2002
Messages
53
Location
Howell, NJ USA
i have a 91 5spd with 38K miles on it. i notice from time to time that i get a "chirp" out of my motor at heavy torque...hard acceleration or letting off throttle at high rpms. i believe it is my drive belts that are worn and dried.

how big of a job is it for a novice mechanic to change them myself? is it worth it or am i better off scheduling it with Acura?



------------------
 
theeaman,

If you are refering to the A/C bekt and the alternator belt these are fairly easy to do.

Has your car had a timing belt service?? If not it is due at this time.

Let me know your situation.

HTH,
LarryB
 
Assuming you have not had the timing belt done yet, you are overdue...big time.
I strongly suggest having the timing belt, water pump, timing belt tensioner and other belts changed. This is way too big and important a job to be handled on your own.
Since the difference between a local shop and an Acura dealer is usually only a couple of hundred dollars, I would go with an Acura dealer that has an NSX certified tech. Go with a local shop if you know that they do NSX's and have done this job before and they come recommended by other NSX owners.
 
theeaman,

Yes, you are past the time period specified by Acura for timing belt replacement. Several here would advocate that you should change it right away. However, I know there are some, myself included, who are have low mileage 1991's and we can't rationalize the expense and inconvenience to do the change based on the time period alone. Although I have heard a dealer from time to time claim that they were servicing an NSX as a consequence of a broken timing belt, I've yet to hear from an owner where it has happened. In fact, there's at least one good Honda source who at last count was still claiming that he's never seen nor heard of a failed timing belt. Oh well, for certain none of us wants to be a first either.

Back to the subject question. If you're hearing a belt "chirp" there's no way it is a slipping timing belt and you likely have correctly diagnosed a slipping accessory belt. Replacing your two accessory belts is very easy I would say although you should have the right tools. I just did mine. Loosen the alternator pivot bolts and then back-off the threaded adjusting bolt. This will give you enough slack to remove the belt. It will also give you easier access to the tensions adjustment for the ac compressor. Loosen that and install the two new belts in the reverse order. I found that crawling under the car was the easiest way to check the tension on the AC compressor.
 
I had my timing belt replaced last year - along with many of the cooling hoses, other belts, water pump, etc etc.

You have to be careful handling and where you put the old one as you don't want to confuse it with a new one!

My car had 33k miles on it at the time and was a 91. It looked like new with no visible signs of wear. Also if you closely inspect the grooves they looked like new.

I too have never heard an owner report a time related timing belt or water pump failure. Not to say it hasn't or wont happen just that I think Honda did not anticipate that an 11 year old car might only have a couple thousand miles and the timing, plugs, timing belt, etc would be almost as good as the parts that are sitting on the shelf when you order them.

Also - there is no damage if the parts to not fail so are you willing to take the risk?

Most people can source a 3.0 engine for less then $5k. Figure another $2k for installation.

Do you have a very low mile cream puff? Do you think it is a good bet to spend $1500 plus to save around $7k on an engine replacement (worst case of course as you may just bend some valves and it would then be cheaper). I know a lot of insurance companies and casinos would take that bet based on so few reported failures and Honda's engine reputation.

Good luck - JMO. There will be others that will respond to this telling you I am full of it so you will have to make your own mind up about the risks and rewards.

------------------
Nick M

91' Red/Black with Many Mods
99' Honda Odyssey with Many Kids
 
It's a matter of your personal decision when you are going to change your timing belt and water pump. Acura's maintenance schedule specified 90K miles or six years, whichever comes first. If you hit 90K miles in less than six years, everyone will tell you to change it, period. So if you don't hit 90K miles on the timing belt, how long are you going to go beyond Acura's recommendation?

I have discussed this extensively with Mark Basch, and the simple facts are these: (1) You can't tell a good timing belt from one that is about to go. (2) If the timing belt fails, it can cause considerable damage to your engine, possibly resulting in the need to replace it, at a cost that's substantially more than that of the timing belt replacement. If you replace it with a used engine, you may have no idea for sure how many miles that engine has, how it has been driven, or what problems it may have. (3) Regardless of whether the engine needs replacement, a timing belt failure will disable the car - probably at an inconvenient time and place. (There is rarely a convenient time and place for a breakdown.) And, (4) timing belts do fail. Mark Basch has seen several such failures. I'm sure he'll be happy to let you know how much these owners paid by "saving" $1200 by not replacing the timing belt.

Originally posted by matteni:
Do you think it is a good bet to spend $1500 plus to save around $7k on an engine replacement

That's for you to decide - except that (a) you shouldn't need to spend $1500 plus; $1200 is a typical price, and (b) there's no guarantee that you can do so for $7K or that the used engine you put in will be as good as the one you destroy.

Keep in mind, though, that the only downside to changing it now vs later is the cost, which you're going to pay anyway; it's just a matter of when. If you change it every eight years instead of every ten years, the difference in cost is $30 per year of ownership ($150/year vs $120/year), which you may (or may not) consider worth it for the peace of mind.

I'm not saying that you go one day past six years and it's guaranteed to self-destruct. I am saying that you are comparing a known expense of $1200 against a risk of a timing belt failure. As Nick says, those are the odds. $1200 against an expenditure of $7K or more, plus additional risk of a used motor, plus the possibility of getting stranded somewhere. And the probability of that risk increases over time. Do you like the odds at six years? Eight years? Ten years? There's no magic number that is the "right" time, other than Acura's recommendation of six years. Some owners are currently driving with timing belts that are twelve years old
eek.gif
(as well as coolant hoses and other parts that are twelve years old and can fail). My opinion is that twelve years old is a long time for parts that are only designed to last six. But that's just my opinion. It's your car. Your money. Your odds. Your comfort level. Your decision. As Clint Eastwood said, "Are you feeling lucky today, punk?"

FWIW, I was quite content to replace my timing belt and water pump after eight years at 40K miles, for a cost just under $1100. Why eight? Because that's when it was worth it based on my comfort level; in my opinion, $150 per year for a scheduled maintenance item is worth every penny to me. You'll have to decide when it's worth it to you.

[This message has been edited by nsxtasy (edited 10 October 2002).]
 
I agree with keN and add one more point - WHO is installing your replacement engine? I'm sure that Mark or Barney or Larry or NSX Modified might do a perfect job to factory specs - but I sure wouldn't trust just any tech to do this. I've seen several cars over the years with unusual and hard to trace problems in cars that had their engines replaced. Just another data point to consider.
 
Back
Top