Do you think carbon fiber is played out?
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good reference to the NSX-R.... don't forget the prototype had FAKE cf mirrors - THAT is stupid heh.
btw, lambo and ferrari use "cf accents" too.
some use ALL CF (body, chassis, etc.) (F40/50/60, carrera gt, etc.)
don't forget the ultimate boy racers - F1 (cf gearbox cases now even) :tongue: how ricer is that????
btw, lambo and ferrari use "cf accents" too.
some use ALL CF (body, chassis, etc.) (F40/50/60, carrera gt, etc.)
don't forget the ultimate boy racers - F1 (cf gearbox cases now even) :tongue: how ricer is that????
Would you want to be seen in public with your wife or g/f wearing this?
Having exposed carbon fiber showing anywhere on your car is ten times worse.
Nothing screams "I'm a wanna be boy racer" louder than carbon fiber, not even 30 sponsor decals, not even a shiny new 12" diameter Pep Boys muffler, not even an ironing board rear wing.
You forgot about the R sticker.
Personally I would like to see carbon fiber be used in more areas then just automotive. Everyday I see something and think....they need to make this from carbon fiber. I would love to see De Walt make a set of cordless tools from light weight carbon fiber case and a lithium battery.
If tastefully done, they look great imho, if they happen to be functional and weight less, even better. Interior and engine bay are best places for exposed carbon fiber. Exterior wise, maybe not, but Pagani Zonda and all CF JGTC NSX looks amazing hot. There is a big difference in done right and done wrong.
Being able to afford is a very generalized statement. Being able to afford doesn't mean one can justisfying paying up even if they like the item. I like genuine type R seats. I can easily afford it if we only consider dollar amount and nothing else, but I always say I can't afford it. I like weight reduction, but I have to buy the steel version of exhaust not titanium version. The reason is simple, I can't justisfy the additional cost for the weight difference. $2k can easily buy 3 flight tickets to Japan, 3 diesel leather jacket, many pairs of boots, lots of books, many sushi dinner, many gallons of gas, etc. Depending on perspective, being able to afford can have different meaning.
There are various level of being able to afford. Paying with credit can be considered as being able to afford. For me even paying with cash doesn't necessarily mean being able to afford either.
Rather than being too generalized, I will use NSX owners that are close to me as examples. Many want high quality carbon fiber parts, they can easily pay for them, but they say they can't afford it. I often say I can't afford it, even if I can afford it, I am not going to wait months for item to be delivered no matter how much I like it.
I believe Huge's post is more of a joke in good nature. It can however be easily taken wrong if the reader is not familiar with the style of ones posts.
Being able to afford is a very generalized statement. Being able to afford doesn't mean one can justisfying paying up even if they like the item. I like genuine type R seats. I can easily afford it if we only consider dollar amount and nothing else, but I always say I can't afford it. I like weight reduction, but I have to buy the steel version of exhaust not titanium version. The reason is simple, I can't justisfy the additional cost for the weight difference. $2k can easily buy 3 flight tickets to Japan, 3 diesel leather jacket, many pairs of boots, lots of books, many sushi dinner, many gallons of gas, etc. Depending on perspective, being able to afford can have different meaning.
There are various level of being able to afford. Paying with credit can be considered as being able to afford. For me even paying with cash doesn't necessarily mean being able to afford either.
Rather than being too generalized, I will use NSX owners that are close to me as examples. Many want high quality carbon fiber parts, they can easily pay for them, but they say they can't afford it. I often say I can't afford it, even if I can afford it, I am not going to wait months for item to be delivered no matter how much I like it.
I agree this is fantastic idea. However, finding buyers that can justifying the price difference may be the challenge. There will always be ones that think standard one is more than plenty, gets the job done equally as well. Some might even bash it as completely waste if they don't find value in it or they never use it.
While your statement is very generalized and obvisouly not 100% true. I do however have to agree for most part, significationly greater than >50%.
And they all make a great argument until they use a standard weight one everyday and end up needing wrist surgery because of the weight.
I am not familiar with his style of post and very likely took it the wrong way.
Very well put.
Yes obviously not true 100% of the time...........just a general statement
played out but i love it.
if its functtional great.
not many parts now a days are functional. most of the carbon fiber hoods are acturally heaver than stock hood.
Got a hood for my supra. it weighed 10lbs more than my stock hood which came in at a nice 15 lbs.
lots of stuff like the NSX carbon fiber trims are for looks.
The only thing i can think of which i got is carbon fiber and is functional is my cusco rear supra struct bar. less than 2 lb and stiff.
i got lots of carbon fiber on my car. it looks nice... but chips and cracks.
my Mugen side skirts costed stubid money, i just scrached them up 2 weeks ago and didnt even bother getting out of the car to check after i did cause i knew it was totally cracked. :tongue:
lol oh well. whatever.
as a cosmetic statement it is way played out, function all the way.
Are you making fun of my C.F. NSX-R rear wing? If it's outdated, I guess I should sell her.
I guess it's somewhat functional.
I guess it's somewhat functional.
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This is exactly how I feel about it. Just look at all the parts now on prime that are being done in Carbon Fiber, its kinda silly. But thats my opinion and you know what they say about opinions..... lol but I wanted to see how other feel about it.
Carbon fiber used for cosmetic reasons is becoming common, but it does have the originality thing going for it. CF was used on NSX-Rs and CF center consoles were offered as an option NSXs in Japan. Regardless whether it's played out, that's got to count for something.
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I agree, when the look overtakes the functional application of it... it is played out. When it's used to remove weight, add structural support and increase performance... cool. It's been around long enough for most of us to be able to look at a part and determine it's functionality.
As a side note: I think the realm of graphite composites are just in there infancy. I've heard that Owens Corning was working on a carbon hybrid material the has 3 times the tensile strength as any carbon material out there today.
just my .02
As a side note: I think the realm of graphite composites are just in there infancy. I've heard that Owens Corning was working on a carbon hybrid material the has 3 times the tensile strength as any carbon material out there today.
just my .02
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Yeah, if it was made as a option for the type R if does count for something to me. But used everywhere in the car where it looks like it doesn't belong is what makes it silly. Specially since all most everyone is doing it. Again just my opinion which changes day to day as everything else in life.
By the way are you really a former Green Beret??
If so my hats go off to you. If I didn't get married I would of gone the same route after Iraq but life had other plans....
I like the way you put this. I think we will see even more carbon-look stuff, but it will be mostly for appearance vs. function.
Back in my boy racer days, we had a few rules - "if it doesn't improve performance in some way, don't put it on the car" and "if it doesn't improve performance, take it out". That was b/c we had little money and everything had to count going down the 1/4 mile. Very few people follow that rule these days and excess is the norm. It's when it's done in excess, that it becomes played out. Again, to each his own, but when you start replacing all removable interior bits and exterior trim w/ CF looking material, you are heading toward excess, hence played out. Some CF can look nice, lots of CF can look overdone - my opinion.
Yes, Ferrari, Pagani, others use CF interior trim. I think it looks bad. I'd rather have brushed aluminum/steel or just plain plastic as long it was quality material. I think the marketers and designers got ahead of the engineers on those ones.
Yeah, but in the Austrian army. Here, just about every soldier gets a green beret, not just the special forces.
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EXACTLY my thoughts.....
OH thanks for clearing that up for me. I thought you were just stationed in Europe but in American Special Forces. But eitherway from a soldier to another soldier hello. Just wondering, What does the Austrian army use to differentciate regular soldiers from special forces ones?
CF is the new Aluminum. Early on not many cars were using a lot of aluminum, then came the NSX and eventually boom, everyone is using some kind of aluminum somewhere on their cars. Im curious to see about the future treatments and longevity of some of the cars with CF roofs and hoods, because from what I have seen, CF fades after a few years and looks really bad, specially if its left out in the sun all the time. I see some nice cars parked pretty much 24/7 in the sun out here in California with nice looking (so far) CF parts. GM supposedly uses some fancy coating on the upcoming ZR1, but we shall see how that looks years down the road.
The special forces commandos have a different insignia on their berets. But it's not made of carbon fiber!
It is like anything else.
1) Product is introduced in Racing and has function.
2) Product is picked up by exotic car manufacturers.
3) Imitations of product are immediately picked up by the aftermarket, and "improved on" in many cases.
4) Product now found in isle 6 of Autozone.
5) $1500 cars and family sedans with product slowly kill the product.
Examples of items this has happened with:
Large diameter exhaust tips.
Large wheels/ultra low profile tires.
Drilled rotors.
Wings.
1) Product is introduced in Racing and has function.
2) Product is picked up by exotic car manufacturers.
3) Imitations of product are immediately picked up by the aftermarket, and "improved on" in many cases.
4) Product now found in isle 6 of Autozone.
5) $1500 cars and family sedans with product slowly kill the product.
Examples of items this has happened with:
Large diameter exhaust tips.
Large wheels/ultra low profile tires.
Drilled rotors.
Wings.
baynsac
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LOL :biggrin: Not yet atleast maybe in a year or 2 you never know :biggrin:
If the CF came on the car, it's OK. If you added the CF to your car, it's played out.
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