The CS is crazy money...for the price of the CS I rather have a 360 and a 996TT or 360 w/ F355B
Comparing 360 w/ NSX :)
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docjohn said:
yeah but those 360's drivers are probably first timers
Drive Skills matters the most.
THonda said:I would be interested to see a professional driver taking a sc NSX vs a 360 on the track to see which does better, no bias opinion just really want to know.
competitive "number" wise maybe...but that's about itRegardless NSX is a Great car for the money!
Well, I cannot give you a comparison on the standard NSX but I can give you one on the NSX Type R.
These numbers are from the www.track-challenge.com site.
All these test are done by the same driver as far as I know so I think that should say something at least.
Acceleration:
NSX-R 360 Modena
0 - 40 Km/h 1,4 s 1,7 s
0 - 60 Km/h 2,4 s 2,5 s
0 - 80 Km/h 3,5 s 3,6 s
0 - 100 Km/h 4,9 s 4,7 s
0 - 120 Km/h 6,8 s 6,4 s
0 - 140 Km/h 8,6 s 8,2 s
0 - 160 Km/h 11,2 s 10,5 s
0 - 180 Km/h 14,3 s 13,1 s
0 - 200 Km/h 18,2 s 16,1 s
Top Speed 280 Km/h 295 Km/
Track-times:
NSX-R 360 Modena
Round Time Nuerburgring 8.09 min 8.09 min
Round Time Hockenheim 1.14,6 min 1.15,1 min
I will admit that the NSX-R is quite different from a standard NSX. But also, it has no supercharger or turbo and although officially stated a 280 HP I have read that the same car that was used for this particular test was dynoed at a 309 HP at the crank.
As much as I love the NSX, our NSX V6 vs 360's V8 midmounted, SC'd or not, is going to be vastly different.
Some other numbers:
NSX curb weight (w/o super-charger, mods) 3069 lbs (3164 lbs for the NSX-T)
360 curb weight 3065 lbs
NSX HP (again w/o super-charger, mods) 290
360 HP - 400
So NSX HP/weight ratio = 0.9449
Ferrari 360 HP/weight ratio = 0.1305
Besides the hp advantage, the 360 has us beat with ample torque.
Let's not fool ourselves here.
Some other numbers:
NSX curb weight (w/o super-charger, mods) 3069 lbs (3164 lbs for the NSX-T)
360 curb weight 3065 lbs
NSX HP (again w/o super-charger, mods) 290
360 HP - 400
So NSX HP/weight ratio = 0.9449
Ferrari 360 HP/weight ratio = 0.1305
Besides the hp advantage, the 360 has us beat with ample torque.
Let's not fool ourselves here.
Hey everyone,
I never thought the comment about a SC NSX would spark so much of a debate, which makes this site so great. Anyhow I’m buying the NSX because it looks great, it’s reliable, parts are inter changeable with of Honda parts (filters, pads etc.), try that with a exotic. There are so few of them around (at least around the Central Florida Area) and I like the fact their unique, and there destine to be a classic.
I never thought the comment about a SC NSX would spark so much of a debate, which makes this site so great. Anyhow I’m buying the NSX because it looks great, it’s reliable, parts are inter changeable with of Honda parts (filters, pads etc.), try that with a exotic. There are so few of them around (at least around the Central Florida Area) and I like the fact their unique, and there destine to be a classic.
NsXMas said:
You meant NSX HP/weight ratio = 0.09449, right?
"I can buy a NSX for 30K add 10K for a supercharger and be competitive with a Ferrari/Lambo/PorscheTT/whatever... "
When I read stuff like this I always remind of the Civc/Camaro/Yugo guys comparing their car to the NSX...
When I read stuff like this I always remind of the Civc/Camaro/Yugo guys comparing their car to the NSX...
PS: exactely one year ago I tested a 360 and wrote a comparison to my NSX... maybe somebody is interested:
http://www.nsxprime.com/forums/showthread.php?t=26522
http://www.nsxprime.com/forums/showthread.php?t=26522
Sounds like you weren't at this past Sunday's NSX Club luncheon in your area, which was attended by 52 club members and their families.wanttobeansxowner said:
To be honest I dont really care about the numbers, I am just telling you that I have yet to come across a 360 or 355 at the track that I couldnt pass. (not on a long straight but!).NsXMas said:
Your statements are just like the general population, you look at the #'s and thats the end all. Wrong. (do you own an NSX?) Let someone(experienced race driver) take you for a ride in an NSX with just a few mods. YES the NSX needs brakes and a little suspension tweaking. No SC needed.
AM I a little biased??? :tongue:
NsXMas said:
First off, your figures are not correct.
A 97 NSX CTSC will make about 350 RWHP. Curb Weight closer to 3100lbs with i/h/e SC.
The Ferrari is 395 CRANK HP. Dont' forget they are often overrated. But, It is probably pretty close to the same RWHP figure. Its curb weight is 3291 (C&D sept 2000) They are not THAT light.
So CTSC 97 NSX:
3100/350rwhp = 8.8 lbs per HP
The Ferrari 360 F1:
3291/360rwhp=9.14 lbs per HP
Just for fun, FactorX FX500
3100/550rwhp=5.6 lbs per hp.
That car is still less than 1/2 the price of a 360.
Also, you mention the TQ advantage of the Ferrari. It makes 275 lb-ft.
As supercharged NSX is making about 240 AT THE WHEELS. Once again, they are very close.
Don't fool yourself into thinking a Ferrari is that much better. It is not.
Now, the CS, that is a different story.
As I stated, my numbers were w/out CTSC.
According the Ferrariusa.com, the kerb (curb ) weight is 3064. Maybe C/D is counting some extra luggage?
We'll have to agree to disagree about NSX vs 360. Not that I think any less of the NSX, but I think that even a CTSC NSX at its peak will be barely competitive with the 360.
We'll know for sure when I get a 360
According the Ferrariusa.com, the kerb (curb
) weight is 3064. Maybe C/D is counting some extra luggage?We'll have to agree to disagree about NSX vs 360. Not that I think any less of the NSX, but I think that even a CTSC NSX at its peak will be barely competitive with the 360.
We'll know for sure when I get a 360
NsXMas said:
I don't understand why you cannot comprehend that the 360 is not THAT fast. Have you driven one? Also, have you driven a CTSC NSX?
I've driven a BBSC NSX, not a CTSC NSX.NetViper said:
I'm not doubting that the NSX can be fast, but you can also rice up a civic to be faster than a CTSC NSX, with NOS, etc. Speed is not the only factor, as THonda notes.
I've seen 360s driven and they are a whole lotta fast, where as I didn't feel the same way with the NSX.
Frankly, I was pretty disappointed with the stock NSX. That's why I was holding off for the HSC initially. A souped up NSX meets my requirements for now
NsXMas said:
I hate to tell you, but I think you will be very dissappointed if you ever get the chance to drive a 360. They are not "a whole lotta fast". I would say the new F430 might qualify for a "whole lotta fast".
NetViper said:
If I do get a 360, I'll invite you to come over and test drive it at a track and see what you think. Regardless of the outcome, both the NSX and the 360 are awesome cars.
NsXMas said:If I do get a 360, I'll invite you to come over and test drive it at a track and see what you think.
Sounds like a deal!
I've looked up some more figures on this interesting NSX vs. 360 debate.
AutoSport Magazine always weigh their cars fully fueled and ready to go (testing).
According to their numbers a 360 Modena weighs 1464 kg = 3227 lbs.
My own NSX with a full tank used to came in at 1400kg = 3086 lbs.
(At the moment it's down to 1360 kg/2998lbs)
AutoSport Magazine always weigh their cars fully fueled and ready to go (testing).
According to their numbers a 360 Modena weighs 1464 kg = 3227 lbs.
My own NSX with a full tank used to came in at 1400kg = 3086 lbs.
(At the moment it's down to 1360 kg/2998lbs)
Maarten, is your car fully fixed? Welcome back!
I'm not suprised that the 360 is quicker, but what is it like in terms of feel? Also, how much does it do for the driver? I like the NSX because it really feels like 'you' are in control. I was chasing a Porsche Carrera 4S at Brands Hatch earlier this season, he was only staying ahead of me because of the fancy electronics..that is until he flew off the track when he was too busy looking in his mirrors at me..!
-Rob
-Rob
nsxtasy said:
Nastasy Thanks for the infor., I'll keep eye for the next event :biggrin:
Exactly :biggrin: :biggrin:robfenn said:
@Gheba,
Being a bit off-topic here, but no, my car is not fixed yet
However, I've got all the parts, so the repair will take place this winter starting somewhere next week. The stated weight is where I was at the time of crashing. I will post some pics when I have taken them.
Being a bit off-topic here, but no, my car is not fixed yet
However, I've got all the parts, so the repair will take place this winter starting somewhere next week. The stated weight is where I was at the time of crashing. I will post some pics when I have taken them.
It always kills me when i hear guys who don't own ferrari's to talk about build quality ect.. I have a 355 f1 and a NSX and the ferrari is heads above the NSX. build quality? look at the interior of the two, the ferrari is much nicer. The nsx is a great car, but not an equal to the ferrari. P.S the f1 system is an excellent system.
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